Obama vs Romney 2012 - CDC Election

[Jaimito]

They don't "hate Obama". They don't want him to be President. They wouldn't care about the guy otherwise. The focus of Obama in the context you describe is part of the process of branding and marketing a politician, and would be akin to suggesting the kids in the Lucky Charms commercials "hate" the leprechaun.

Another analogy of the focus of this love-hate crap is very much like WWE's or Jerry Springer style of mindless, superficial entertainment.. which is still staged. Them baiting people into the love-hate game is part of the ploy in ensuring people stay polarised and ignoring the fact that there are more than two options out there.

[Wetcoaster]

One sector of the US economy is swinging up sharply with Obama's victory...

Gun sales in America are soaring in the wake of President Barack Obama’s re-election with weapons retailers reporting increased demand for AK-47s.

Owners are concerned about a potential tightening of regulations on assault weapons in the president’s second term.

In October the number of background checks on people applying to buy guns, an indicator of future sales, increased by 18.4 per cent. There was a similar jump when President Obama was first elected in 2008. A total of 12.7 million background checks were carried out, up from 11.2 million in 2007, and the number has been rising since then.

Shares in weapons manufacturers including Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger also surged after the election.

The gun control debate in America wasre-ignited after the massacre at a cinema in Aurora, Colorado, last July in which suspect James Holmes is accused of killing 12 people and injuring 58 during a screening of Batman film The Dark Knight Rises. He used a semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round magazine.

During the election campaign Obama said in a presidential debate: “What I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how we reduce violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban.”

Obama would still have to get any new restrictions past Republicans in Congress, but gun owners say they fear a limiting of their right to bear arms which is enshrined in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Mel Bernstein, of Dragonman Arms in Colorado Springs, said: “I’ve got a stock of these AK-47s, they sell like hot cakes.”

http://www.theprovince.com/news/like+cakes+after+Obama/7533007/story.html#ixzz2CAo1tSqM

Or even better than an AK-47, this baby will make them thar miscreants sit up and take notice:

[Tearloch7]

What a pathetic society the Americans are evolving into .. I hope everyone who wants one buys an AK-47 and then they have a brawl .. it would do wonders for the gene pool ..

[Gretzky's Mullet]

They don't "hate Obama". They don't want him to be President. They wouldn't care about the guy otherwise. The focus of Obama in the context you describe is part of the process of branding and marketing a politician, and would be akin to suggesting the kids in the Lucky Charms commercials "hate" the leprechaun.

Another analogy of the focus of this love-hate crap is very much like WWE's or Jerry Springer style of mindless, superficial entertainment.. which is still staged. Them baiting people into the love-hate game is part of the ploy in ensuring people stay polarised and ignoring the fact that there are more than two options out there.

[Gretzky's Mullet]

What a pathetic society the Americans are evolving into .. I hope everyone who wants one buys an AK-47 and then they have a brawl .. it would do wonders for the gene pool ..

[Wetcoaster]

And another Romney gaffe - a Mitt in the Mouth???

Talking during a conference call to wealthy donors to his campaign - the same sort of group where he made his other famous gaffe during the campaign that 47 percent of Americans are "dependent on government" and see themselves as "victims" - Romney said this:

Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’ to Minorities and Young Voters

Saying that he and his team still felt “troubled” by his loss to President Obama, Mitt Romney on Wednesday attributed his defeat in part to what he called big policy “gifts” that the president had bestowed on loyal Democratic constituencies, including young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics.

In a conference call with fund-raisers and donors to his campaign, Mr. Romney said Wednesday afternoon that the president had followed the “old playbook” of using targeted initiatives to woo specific interest groups — “especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people.”

“In each case, they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr. Romney said, contrasting Mr. Obama’s strategy to his own of “talking about big issues for the whole country: military strategy, foreign policy, a strong economy, creating jobs and so forth.”

Mr. Romney’s comments in the 20-minute conference call came after his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, told WISC-TV in Madison on Monday that their loss was a result of Mr. Obama’s strength in “urban areas,” an analysis that did not account for Mr. Obama’s victories in more rural states like Iowa and New Hampshire or the decrease in the number of votes for the president relative to 2008 in critical urban counties in Ohio.

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest was a big gift,” Mr. Romney said. “Free contraceptives were very big with young, college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008.”

The president’s health care plan, he said, was also a useful tool in mobilizing black and Hispanic voters. Though Mr. Romney won the white vote with 59 percent, according to exit polls, minorities coalesced around the president in overwhelming numbers: 93 percent of blacks and 71 percent of Hispanics.

“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free health care, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free health care worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity — I mean, this is huge,” Mr. Romney said. “Likewise with Hispanic voters, free health care was a big plus. But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.”

Nationwide, Mr. Obama won a slightly smaller share of 18- to 29-year-old voters than he did in 2008, according to exit polls, though he increased his share in battleground states like Florida, Ohio and Virginia. Exit polls showed little appreciable difference between Mr. Obama’s performance among black voters nationwide and in many swing states in this election and in 2008. Among Hispanic voters nationwide, Mr. Obama won a greater share in 2012 than in 2008, but perhaps more important, he succeeded in increasing the share of Hispanic voters among the total voting population in key states, including Colorado and Nevada, exit polls showed.

During the call, Mr. Romney was by turns disappointed and pragmatic, expressing his frustration at the outcome on Election Day. A person who was on the call, which included hundreds of participants, let The New York Times listen in.

“I’m very sorry that we didn’t win,” Mr. Romney said on the call. “I know that you expected to win, we expected to win, we were disappointed with the result, we hadn’t anticipated it, and it was very close, but close doesn’t count in this business.”

He continued: “And so now we’re looking and saying, ‘O.K., what can we do going forward?’ But frankly, we’re still so troubled by the past, it’s hard to put together our plans for the future.”

He added that he was hoping to find a way for the close-knit group, which excelled in fund-raising but was ultimately unable to propel him into the Oval Office, “to stay connected so that we can stay informed and have influence on the direction of the party, and perhaps the selection of a future nominee, which, by the way, will not be me.” (He suggested an annual meeting, as well as a monthly newsletter.).

http://thecaucus.blo...d-young-voters/

Nothing to do with his own poorly run campaign, the inability to read polls, listening to strategists with their heads in the sand, inability to get the vote out, the inherent (and sometimes outright) racism to blacks, Latinos and other minorities or the religious whackos running for the Republicans who made mind boggling comments on rape and abortion of course.

And Romney's remarks were met with disbelief by moderate Republicans such as Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal who was left shaking his head.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal forcefully rejected Mitt Romney’s claim that he lost because of President Barack Obama’s “gifts” to minorities and young voters.

Asked about the failed GOP nominee’s reported comments on a conference call with donors earlier Wednesday, the incoming chairman of the Republican Governors Association became visibly agitated.

“No, I think that’s absolutely wrong,” he said at a press conference that opened the RGA’s post-election meeting here. “Two points on that: One, we have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote.

“And, secondly, we need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children an opportunity to be able to get a great education. … So, I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think that’s absolutely wrong.”

He reiterated the points for emphasis.

“I don’t think that represents where we are as a party and where we’re going as a party,” he said. “That has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election: If we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.”

Then, without prompting, Jindal circled back to the topic as the press conference wrapped up.

Considered a likely candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, he blamed Romney’s defeat last week on his failure to outline a vision for where he wanted to take the country.

“Gov. Romney’s an honorable person that needs to be thanked for his many years of public service, but his campaign was largely about his biography and his experience,” he said. “And it’s a very impressive biography and very impressive set of experiences. But time and time again, biography and experience is not enough to win an election. You have to have a vision. You have to connect your policies to the aspirations of the American people. I don’t think the campaign did that, and as a result this became a contest between personalities. And you know what? Chicago won that.”

http://www.politico....l#ixzz2CGKNbx4m

[Tearloch7]

Something tells me that Wee Bobby is in for some heavy lifting in training the Re-thug neanderthal's on how to bite their tongue's, and not slip up and say what they really think .. it gets em in trouble every time ..

[Wetcoaster]

Something tells me that Wee Bobby is in for some heavy lifting in training the Re-thug neanderthal's on how to bite their tongue's, and not slip up and say what they really think .. it gets em in trouble every time ..

[RUPERTKBD]

“I’m very sorry that we didn’t win,” Mr. Romney said on the call. “I know that you expected to win, we expected to win, we were disappointed with the result, we hadn’t anticipated it, and it was very close, but close doesn’t count in this business.”

[Tearloch7]

With the way things are going, we may need to start a thread on Post-election Republican Chicanery .. the whole Susan Rice - Benghazi "debacle" is going to cost some folks a great deal of credibility .. McCane and Graham are pushing the envelope without the facts and it should come back to bite them unless the "facts" are too sensitive and they get away with false accusations .. John "Prisoner-of-War-Hero" McCane is verging on senility .. someone needs to slap him back into place ..

[Wetcoaster]

Probably a not-so-well-known fact: Mitt was on the organizing committee for the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics. He was in the building when Canada defeated the USA for Gold in Men's Hockey.

...seems like Mitt suffers a crushing defeat at least once every ten years...

[Ossi Vaananen]

Speaking of Susan Rice, what exactly gives the loser party the right to decide the cabinet? Republicans just keep embarrassing themselves.

Oh and I enjoyed the "it was close comment" clearly delusional as he lost by ~230 electoral votes, and 2.6 million popular votes. I don't see any possibility of republicans being a serious party any time soon.

[RUPERTKBD]

Actually Mitt was brought in as replacment the president and CEO of the Salt Lake City Olympic Organizing Committee after prior committee president and CEO Frank Joklik was faced with corruption allegations and was forced to resign.

[Tony Romo]

In front of the White House there's a sign that says

No admittance

See what I did there!!!! Hilarious!

[Tearloch7]

In front of the White House there's a sign that says

No admittance

See what I did there!!!! Hilarious!

[Wetcoaster]

Speaking of Susan Rice, what exactly gives the loser party the right to decide the cabinet? Republicans just keep embarrassing themselves.

Oh and I enjoyed the "it was close comment" clearly delusional as he lost by ~230 electoral votes, and 2.6 million popular votes. I don't see any possibility of republicans being a serious party any time soon.

[Gretzky's Mullet]

Someone should tell Mitt that when the "gifts" you're peddling are of the multi-million dollar tax cut variety, you need to have an income in the millions of dollars. Maybe as an aside, they should tell him that most middle class people aren't making millions of dollars in income.

The establishment (and far right) GOP are simply not learning that their flawed ideologies on nearly everything are simply not selling with the modern day electorate. Upper class tax cuts drive the economy, church and state shouldn't be separate, more guns make us safer, blah blah blah, if you really want to talk about "minorities", the most important minority is the fraction of people that actually believe that type of hogwash.

[Mr. Ambien]

Speaking of Susan Rice, what exactly gives the loser party the right to decide the cabinet? Republicans just keep embarrassing themselves.

Oh and I enjoyed the "it was close comment" clearly delusional as he lost by ~230 electoral votes, and 2.6 million popular votes. I don't see any possibility of republicans being a serious party any time soon.

[Columbo]

And another Romney gaffe - a Mitt in the Mouth???

Talking during a conference call to wealthy donors to his campaign - the same sort of group where he made his other famous gaffe during the campaign that 47 percent of Americans are "dependent on government" and see themselves as "victims" - Romney said this:

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[Columbo]

Last I checked confirmation of the Senate =/= confirmation only by the "non-loser party". There's a reason these Congressional filibusters and parliamentary obstructive procedures are in place, of which (minority) Democrats used very often during Bush's first and partly second term.

These type of ranking cabinet positions are not simply pick-whoever-you-want jobs. There is an order of succession to the Presidency (SOS being the highest of non-elected successors) which is why it's required to go through Senate approval, and consensus is a better option for middleground than winner takes all.