Obama vs Romney 2012 - CDC Election

[Columbo]

He says "you watch way too much Fox News" and then posts something from MSNBC, what a champ

[Zamboni_14]

He says "you watch way too much Fox News" and then posts something from MSNBC, what a champ

[Columbo]

wow... clearly you didn't watch the video AT ALL. The fact that it's from TYT (The Young Turks) should have been your "attacking" point and not MSNBC

[Zamboni_14]

If you're a die-hard Republican who gleefully believes lies about Obama "stealing" from Medicare and whatnot, then I see why TYT would actually be the worse of the two. They actually do crazy things like back up their arguments with facts and present fair coverage.

[Columbo]

I was saying that because it was a TYT video... not a MSNBC video. But they are biased to the "left" (not sure if they are as biased as Fox or MSNBC is.. but they are biased.)

[Sharpshooter]

I was saying that because it was a TYT video... not a MSNBC video. But they are biased to the "left" (not sure if they are as biased as Fox or MSNBC is.. but they are biased.)

[Zamboni_14]

They're biased towards rationality, not the left. It just so happens that these days, the right is rather devoid of it. They do dozens of videos attacking Obama, and they think both sides are equally corrupt. It's just that the Republicans are also insane, and those who aren't crazy (like Romney and Ryan) are manipulative liars.

[Humble Rodent]

When republicans use subjectivism it makes me want to shoot myself.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Hilarious observation: jmfaminoff started a thread about Labor Day. And it was supportive. What a commie!

[The Colt 45s]

If you're a die-hard Republican who gleefully believes lies about Obama "stealing" from Medicare and whatnot, then I see why TYT would actually be the worse of the two. They actually do crazy things like back up their arguments with facts and present fair coverage.

[The Colt 45s]

You watch way too much Fox News. It's a FACT that Paul Ryan voted for those same cuts. Romney has said he supports those cuts. And everyone (except those lying to you) know that the cuts come from eliminating waste and fraud, and that it doesn't take a penny away from healtcare user services.

If the Republicans had their way, they'd still make those same cuts (which is good), but then cut way more into the user side of things, and repeal Obamacare and leave millions uninsured again. If you're an American who relies on Medicare, you're shooting yourself in the foot if you vote Republican - and unfortunately they're counting on it.

Also,

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Have you heard of the Affordable Care Act? It is also known as Obamacare. In Obamacare, 716 billion is to be taken out of Medicare over ten years and us to be used to fund parts of Obamacare. I know, because I read the 2000 page bill.

[Ossi Vaananen]

Have you heard of the Affordable Care Act? It is also known as Obamacare. In Obamacare, 716 billion is to be taken out of Medicare over ten years and us to be used to fund parts of Obamacare. I know, because I read the 2000 page bill.

[The Colt 45s]

Hilarious observation: jmfaminoff started a thread about Labor Day. And it was supportive. What a commie!

[The Colt 45s]

As if the BP oil spill wasn't enough...

[Ossi Vaananen]

Actually, I am actually proworker, not prounion. There is a difference.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Actually, I am actually proworker, not prounion. There is a difference.

[The Colt 45s]

That's why it's so hilarious!

[The Colt 45s]

Wonderful so you don't even know you're being manipulated.

Anyway, as per your earlier comment on the 716 billion, here is an article which accurately depicts Ryan's lie. http://www.politifac...led-716-billio/

If you can read 2,000 pages, I'm sure you can read that.

Highlights:

So, yes, Obama’s law did find $716 billion in spending reductions. They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost the government more than traditional Medicare. The health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

[Ossi Vaananen]

You do know what it is saying. Cuts to doctors and hospitals in reimbursements, cuts in Medicare supplementals.

Here is an article from Washington Post

The Romney campaign has gone on the offense on Medicare, charging that the Affordable Care Act “cuts $716 billion” from the entitlement program.

That $716 billion figure is one you’ll probably be hearing a lot about during this election cycle. It’s worth understanding where it comes from and what the spending reductions mean for the Medicare program.

First, where it comes from. On July 24, the Congressional Budget Office sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, detailing the budget impact of repealing the Affordable Care Act. If Congress overturned the law, “spending for Medicare would increase by an estimated $716 billion over that 2013–2022 period.”

As to how the Affordable Care Act actually gets to $716 billion in Medicare savings, that’s a bit more complicated. John McDonough did the best job explaining it in his 2011 book, “Inside National Health Reform.” There, he looked at all the various Medicare cuts Democrats made to pay for the Affordable Care Act.

The majority of the cuts, as you can see in this chart below, come from reductions in how much Medicare reimburses hospitals and private health insurance companies.

The blue section represents reductions in how much Medicare reimburses private, Medicare Advantage plans. That program allows seniors to join a private health insurance, with the federal government footing the bill. The whole idea of Medicare Advantage was to drive down the cost of health insurance for the elderly as private insurance companies competing for seniors’ business.

That’s not what happened. By 2010, the average Medicare Advantage per-patient cost was 117 percent of regular fee-for-service. The Affordable Care Act gives those private plans a haircut and tethers reimbursement levels to the quality of care administered, and patient satisfaction.

The Medicare Advantage cut gets the most attention, but it only accounts for about a third of the Affordable Care Act’s spending reduction. Another big chunk comes from the hospitals. The health law changed how Medicare calculates what they get reimbursed for various services, slightly lowering their rates over time. Hospitals agreed to these cuts because they knew, at the same time, they would likely see an influx of paying patients with the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion.

The rest of the Affordable Care Act’s Medicare cuts are a lot smaller. Reductions to Medicare’s Disproportionate Share Payments — extra funds doled out the hospitals that see more uninsured patients — account for 5 percent in savings. Lower payments to home health providers make up another 8.8 percent. About a dozen cuts of this magnitude make up the green section above.