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  1. Obama (279 votes [85.32%])

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#391 chisoxin12

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:47 AM

How the two did all depends upon where you live. There is no reason to doubt why people in Vancouver love Obama, because he would fit in with the culture there.

While Obama is a nice guy, sincere, and passionate, regular people like me cannot afford another four more years of rising taxes, increased gas prices, and rising food costs, just to fund social welfare programs. It is sad when people go to Walmart and use their food stamps, WIC, and cash benefits from their welfare, then get free Medicaid, and have their housing paid for on Section 8, while getting subsidized and in some instances free utilities, then there is the free day care, free lunches and breakfast at school for their kids, the Earned Income Tax credit that not only pays them their income tax back but another $2000 per kid per year, that they have more dispensible income at the end of the day for doing absolutely nothing. Whereas people like me and my wife who work long hours, pay all of our taxes, get none of the tax credits, and we have to pay for medical insurance through our employers, pay for daycare, and cannot get any assistance whatsover. The system has to change. There is no incentive to work if you are on the gravy train. There is a lot of people like me who cannot afford another four more years like this; not to mention the four thousand dollars less we are earning since 2008.

I'll put our taxes here in Canada up against the USA's anytime. In fact its not even close to being egual up here. Then add the different fees etc. that all gov'ts throw at us. Our earning power is far less than yours, but, let me ask you, are you better off than us? I don't think so. We have all of what Obama is trying to get for the middle class, meanwhile the neocons up here are doing their best to privatize some of it. What are you talking about, high gas prices? Come across the 49th and buy a litre of gas someday. Try buying a home in greater Vancouver.
You and the GOP don't seem to get what Obama is trying to do for EVERYONE in the USA, and that is that everyone has an egual and fair chance for an opportunity to get into good paying jobs, homes, and a decent education. Not just the privileged few.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:27 AM

How the two did all depends upon where you live. There is no reason to doubt why people in Vancouver love Obama, because he would fit in with the culture there.

While Obama is a nice guy, sincere, and passionate, regular people like me cannot afford another four more years of rising taxes, increased gas prices, and rising food costs, just to fund social welfare programs. It is sad when people go to Walmart and use their food stamps, WIC, and cash benefits from their welfare, then get free Medicaid, and have their housing paid for on Section 8, while getting subsidized and in some instances free utilities, then there is the free day care, free lunches and breakfast at school for their kids, the Earned Income Tax credit that not only pays them their income tax back but another $2000 per kid per year, that they have more dispensible income at the end of the day for doing absolutely nothing. Whereas people like me and my wife who work long hours, pay all of our taxes, get none of the tax credits, and we have to pay for medical insurance through our employers, pay for daycare, and cannot get any assistance whatsover. The system has to change. There is no incentive to work if you are on the gravy train. There is a lot of people like me who cannot afford another four more years like this; not to mention the four thousand dollars less we are earning since 2008.


:lol:

Totally. Obama took his Marijuana dispensary raiding strategy from Vancouver.

You know, I think I read in the bible Jesus complaining about free lunches and breakfasts in school for kids. :lol:

Way to go Osama.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:29 AM

I'll put our taxes here in Canada up against the USA's anytime. In fact its not even close to being egual up here. Then add the different fees etc. that all gov'ts throw at us. Our earning power is far less than yours, but, let me ask you, are you better off than us? I don't think so. We have all of what Obama is trying to get for the middle class, meanwhile the neocons up here are doing their best to privatize some of it. What are you talking about, high gas prices? Come across the 49th and buy a litre of gas someday. Try buying a home in greater Vancouver.
You and the GOP don't seem to get what Obama is trying to do for EVERYONE in the USA, and that is that everyone has an egual and fair chance for an opportunity to get into good paying jobs, homes, and a decent education. Not just the privileged few.

Pardon? Obama along with Bush bail out the financials, bail out the automotive industry, people who made the most reckless choices to lend money to those who didn't deserve the loans, made cars people didn't want to buy, and didn't deserve to have their stupidity and failure rewarded, but didn't bail out people who foreclosed on their homes. Obama then signs free trade agreements with countries in Asia and South America that help export US middle class jobs overseas, while simultaneously signing subsidies to Walmart to hire part time low income jobs to offset that.

What the frack are people smoking?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:50 AM

Pardon? Obama along with Bush bail out the financials, bail out the automotive industry, people who made the most reckless choices to lend money to those who didn't deserve the loans, made cars people didn't want to buy, and didn't deserve to have their stupidity and failure rewarded, but didn't bail out people who foreclosed on their homes. Obama then signs free trade agreements with countries in Asia and South America that help export US middle class jobs overseas, while simultaneously signing subsidies to Walmart to hire part time low income jobs to offset that.

What the frack are people smoking?



What are YOU smoking??

On middle class mortgages:

Mortgage Forgiveness Will Help U.S. Homeowners, Stevens Says


The U.S. government needs to do more to help homeowners stay in their properties, including exploring options for principal forgiveness with mortgages held by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, according to David H. Stevens, chief executive officer of the Mortgage Bankers Association.

Principal reductions and programs that lower interest and payment rates, would place “cash flow into the hands of families,” Stevens, a former Federal Housing Administration commissioner, said today in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Bottom Line” with Mark Crumpton.

President Barack Obama today unveiled his latest plan to help the housing market by lowering mortgage insurance premiums for borrowers who refinance loans.

http://www.bloomberg...evens-says.html



On Free Trade Agreements and jobs:

The three free-trade agreements, which originated with the Bush administration, would eliminate tariffs on cross-border transactions, expanding exports of American goods by about $12 billion a year, according to estimates by the United States International Trade Commission. Under the agreements, American service providers would be able to compete in the three countries, ostensibly adding new jobs to the American economy. Because of this, they are widely supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business trade groups.


When the Democrats controlled Congress, they resisted the trade agreements because they feared they would harm American workers. Then came the Obama administration, which insisted, as part of any trade deal, on renewing a program to assist people adversely affected and adding $964 million to the effort. That linkage has met resistance from Republicans.

Bottom line: Mr. Obama is not technically correct when he says that Congress is fully able to vote on the bills, as his administration has not sent them there in the first place. But the reason it has not done so is because it does not feel confident that House Republicans will allow their key request — the bill for worker assistance —

http://www.nytimes.c...cs/26trade.html


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:28 AM

I'll put our taxes here in Canada up against the USA's anytime. In fact its not even close to being egual up here. Then add the different fees etc. that all gov'ts throw at us. Our earning power is far less than yours, but, let me ask you, are you better off than us? I don't think so. We have all of what Obama is trying to get for the middle class, meanwhile the neocons up here are doing their best to privatize some of it. What are you talking about, high gas prices? Come across the 49th and buy a litre of gas someday. Try buying a home in greater Vancouver.
You and the GOP don't seem to get what Obama is trying to do for EVERYONE in the USA, and that is that everyone has an egual and fair chance for an opportunity to get into good paying jobs, homes, and a decent education. Not just the privileged few.

My point was the welfare programs here in the US are far too generous, and that those who work cannot afford that generousity anymore. And the rolls have grown with Obama at the watch, especially over the last two years. According to the labour stats today, almost 89-million people do not work in the US, about 1-4 on the dole, true unemployment is 14% and with underemployment factored makes that number jump to 21%.

Another issue: minimum wage is 3.00 an hour less here. Yes the price of gas here in Louisiana is about 3.89 a gallon when just ten years ago it was .89 a gallon on a Labor Day weekend. And when you are talking sixty bucks a week or more just to go to work, that is over $3,000 a year. Also, over the past four years the average family income is down $4,000. So there is seven grand out of working people's pockets. Not to mention that most places have frozen wages and have not provided a cost of living increase, and the price of all goods has increased due to market forces. But one thing has not changed, the marginal tax rates. And in some states, those rates have gone up.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:31 AM

Another issue for Congress, the Senate, and the Whitehouse needs to consider is the elimination of the H1B Visa given to temporary foreign workers usually in the medical, scientific, and engineering fields. There are plenty of Americans who could do those jobs, and would probably take a lower pay just to make some money.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 10:57 AM

My point was the welfare programs here in the US are far too generous, and that those who work cannot afford that generousity anymore. And the rolls have grown with Obama at the watch, especially over the last two years. According to the labour stats today, almost 89-million people do not work in the US, about 1-4 on the dole, true unemployment is 14% and with underemployment factored makes that number jump to 21%.

Another issue: minimum wage is 3.00 an hour less here. Yes the price of gas here in Louisiana is about 3.89 a gallon when just ten years ago it was .89 a gallon on a Labor Day weekend. And when you are talking sixty bucks a week or more just to go to work, that is over $3,000 a year. Also, over the past four years the average family income is down $4,000. So there is seven grand out of working people's pockets. Not to mention that most places have frozen wages and have not provided a cost of living increase, and the price of all goods has increased due to market forces. But one thing has not changed, the marginal tax rates. And in some states, those rates have gone up.


Blaming Obama for the price of gas? :lol:

You're a Fox News consumer, aren't you? Enjoy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEnKdBAb_o
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:06 AM

Blaming Obama for the price of gas? :lol:

You're a Fox News consumer, aren't you? Enjoy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEnKdBAb_o

Not allowing new well leases, speculation in the market, and the devaluation of the American dollar under Obama's term has severely impacted price of oil. Because of ethanol mandates, the price of gasoline is being affected in part by the cost of corn, which has skyrocketed, and the shuttering of oil refineries, and not allowing new refineries to be built, affect the price. Heck, even Obama preventing the pipeline to send bitumin (bitumin is about $30.00 a gallon cheaper) from Alberta to the Gulf Coast hurts. And end of the day, real people are struggling.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:14 AM



Enough said.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

Another issue: minimum wage is 3.00 an hour less here. Yes the price of gas here in Louisiana is about 3.89 a gallon when just ten years ago it was .89 a gallon on a Labor Day weekend. And when you are talking sixty bucks a week or more just to go to work, that is over $3,000 a year. Also, over the past four years the average family income is down $4,000. So there is seven grand out of working people's pockets. Not to mention that most places have frozen wages and have not provided a cost of living increase, and the price of all goods has increased due to market forces. But one thing has not changed, the marginal tax rates. And in some states, those rates have gone up.


you are going to have to clarify this point. Louisiana doesn't have a minimum wage law, because it follows the federal minimum wage... which is $7.25 hr. (each state is different in how they handle minimum wages... some just go with federal levels, some go above federal levels, some have a type of scale depending on how large a business is, etc.)
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:23 AM

What are YOU smoking??

Some good stuff called reality:

On middle class mortgages:


Which potentially offered aid to people who were defaulting or at risk of defaulting.. not foreclosures.


On Free Trade Agreements and jobs:

http://www.usnews.co...ree-trade-deals

Obama Signs Three Long-Delayed Free Trade Deals

President Barack Obama signed three free trade deals opposed by many of his fellow Democrats



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama signed three free trade deals opposed by many of his fellow Democrats in a low-key ceremony on Friday, capping a five-year push by Republicans to get them approved.


Bush made Obama sign that free trade agreement.

That must be some good stuff. :lol:
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

Not allowing new well leases, speculation in the market, and the devaluation of the American dollar under Obama's term has severely impacted price of oil. Because of ethanol mandates, the price of gasoline is being affected in part by the cost of corn, which has skyrocketed, and the shuttering of oil refineries, and not allowing new refineries to be built, affect the price. Heck, even Obama preventing the pipeline to send bitumin (bitumin is about $30.00 a gallon cheaper) from Alberta to the Gulf Coast hurts. And end of the day, real people are struggling.


For every answer someone has for you, you have a political spin to put in place .. there is no converting those who have sold their brain to Fox News and the Neo-con machine .. please seek answers to your own questions before you pontificate here .. ask why? .. then find the answers, and THEN wax yer rhetoric ..

Not allowing new wells??
Speculation caused by??
Corn/ethanol subsidies??
Who shut the refineries and why??
Disallowing new refineries?? .. who & why??
Why was Keystone delayed??
Real people ARE struggling .. more tax breaks to the richest 5% and the cutting of education funding are the answer??

Enquiring minds want to know what the Neo-con's would do to help all this?? .. besides raising defense spending and giving tax breaks to the wealthy?? .. please feel free to elaborate .. :P
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Not allowing new well leases, speculation in the market, and the devaluation of the American dollar under Obama's term has severely impacted price of oil. Because of ethanol mandates, the price of gasoline is being affected in part by the cost of corn, which has skyrocketed, and the shuttering of oil refineries, and not allowing new refineries to be built, affect the price. Heck, even Obama preventing the pipeline to send bitumin (bitumin is about $30.00 a gallon cheaper) from Alberta to the Gulf Coast hurts. And end of the day, real people are struggling.


Pipeline spills, I have a hard time struggling with that. Good on him. We're all paying more than we should be paying at the pump because oil is part of this world market price?!? All this oil and natural gas in our country, and virtually none of it is refined here.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Some good stuff called reality:



Which potentially offered aid to people who were defaulting or at risk of defaulting.. not foreclosures.



http://www.usnews.co...ree-trade-deals


Bush made Obama sign that free trade agreement.

That must be some good stuff. :lol:


Waste of space ..
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:34 AM

Not allowing new well leases, speculation in the market, and the devaluation of the American dollar under Obama's term has severely impacted price of oil. Because of ethanol mandates, the price of gasoline is being affected in part by the cost of corn, which has skyrocketed, and the shuttering of oil refineries, and not allowing new refineries to be built, affect the price. Heck, even Obama preventing the pipeline to send bitumin (bitumin is about $30.00 a gallon cheaper) from Alberta to the Gulf Coast hurts. And end of the day, real people are struggling.


(hey Columbo... look what links I get to use against this!)

here is a couple links to a balanced look at the idea that Obama's policies have a huge impact on the price at the pump

http://www.politifac...igh-gas-prices/
http://www.politifac...offshore-drill/

and here's a link showing how more pipe has been laid under Obama than under Bush... (note; they aren't giving credit TO Obama, they are just saying that more was made.)

http://www.politifac...stretch-around/
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:44 AM

My point was the welfare programs here in the US are far too generous, and that those who work cannot afford that generousity anymore. And the rolls have grown with Obama at the watch, especially over the last two years. According to the labour stats today, almost 89-million people do not work in the US, about 1-4 on the dole, true unemployment is 14% and with underemployment factored makes that number jump to 21%.

Another issue: minimum wage is 3.00 an hour less here. Yes the price of gas here in Louisiana is about 3.89 a gallon when just ten years ago it was .89 a gallon on a Labor Day weekend. And when you are talking sixty bucks a week or more just to go to work, that is over $3,000 a year. Also, over the past four years the average family income is down $4,000. So there is seven grand out of working people's pockets. Not to mention that most places have frozen wages and have not provided a cost of living increase, and the price of all goods has increased due to market forces. But one thing has not changed, the marginal tax rates. And in some states, those rates have gone up.


Wow :picard: Try, just try looking at the bigger picture of what CAUSED those things (at least the one's that are "factual").

I have no delusions that Obama will solve your countries problems (he doesn't have the power and he'll be fighting Rebublicans, his own short-sighted/corrupt Dems and far too powerful lobbyists to truly "fix" anything). But given that your two options are him or the far, FAR worse (unless you're a rich, old white man anyway) Republicans, the decision is easy.

Then again, electing the Republicans might just expedite the needed revolution of your country. Perhaps that is the best route, like ripping off a band-aid.

Edited by J.R., 07 September 2012 - 11:46 AM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:13 PM

Wow :picard: Try, just try looking at the bigger picture of what CAUSED those things (at least the one's that are "factual").

I have no delusions that Obama will solve your countries problems (he doesn't have the power and he'll be fighting Rebublicans, his own short-sighted/corrupt Dems and far too powerful lobbyists to truly "fix" anything). But given that your two options are him or the far, FAR worse (unless you're a rich, old white man anyway) Republicans, the decision is easy.

Then again, electing the Republicans might just expedite the needed revolution of your country. Perhaps that is the best route, like ripping off a band-aid.


Wise words .. +1 .. :rolleyes:
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

And I don't care for either Obama or Romney's "personality". It's irrelevant to the job at hand. What I do know is there needs to be a serious overhaul of things, and it requires a mindset of getting out of one's comfort zone of switching between "one or the other" and thinking it's doing something useful.


The sad thing is, others do, and people do use "personality" in judging who to vote for. On a Canadian perspective, there's the poll questions about which PM-candidate would be the best person to go to the pub with (Layton), or internet memes on sweatervest-wearing Harper or the scary-looking picture of Harper with a kitten in hand.

Does any of this actually matter in policy? No
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:13 PM

could it be that things are worse than they should be because the GOP stalled every/almost every vote????



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

Some good stuff called reality:



Which potentially offered aid to people who were defaulting or at risk of defaulting.. not foreclosures.



http://www.usnews.co...ree-trade-deals


Bush made Obama sign that free trade agreement.

That must be some good stuff. :lol:



Reality?? :lol:

And that's right, he tried to intervene even before it got to foreclosure....oh the inhumanity!!!

But lefties like you want bailouts for everyone, don't you?? :rolleyes:


Bush didn't make Obama sign any trade deals. This is what happens when you don't read. Obama only agreed to the FTA's if they included environmental, labour, and domestic job loss protections.....THEN he signed it after fighting with the at-large obstructers, aka, the Republicans.

For someone who slings his American residency bonafides, you don't seem to have a good grasp of the reality of what's occurred in the U.S., in the last few years legislatively or politically.

Keep smokin' that 'reality'. :picard:
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:40 PM

Reality?? :lol:

And that's right, he tried to intervene even before it got to foreclosure....oh the inhumanity!!!

Newsflash: Foreclosures started happening in 2007. He tried to intervene as President 2 years before he was President? You're so busy forum-fellating Obama you can't even make a coherent argument. :lol:

But lefties like you want bailouts for everyone, don't you?? :rolleyes:

Another inability to follow along. I'm not complaining that people didn't get bailouts, but the obvious slant about who Obama and Bush alike are steering those funds toward, look at the argument being made and what is being responded to, your reading comprehension is awful, and your insults can't even come close to making up for that.

Bush didn't make Obama sign any trade deals. This is what happens when you don't read. Obama only agreed to the FTA's if they included environmental, labour, and domestic job loss protections.....THEN he signed it after fighting with the at-large obstructers, aka, the Republicans.

For someone who slings his American residency bonafides, you don't seem to have a good grasp of the reality of what's occurred in the U.S., in the last few years legislatively or politically.

Keep smokin' that 'reality'. :picard:

I haven't mentioned my citizenship since what, early last month? Sounds like Crapshooter alright. :towel:

Another newsflash: The legislation Obama signed late 2011 that was at first, according to you, Bush's fault, but is now the Republican House of Representatives' fault, was something Obama had 3 full years to get passed, two of which when he had an overwhelming Democratic House and Senate upon his inauguration, since the massive foreclosures started early 2007. I fully await your next excuse about how Obama didn't have a 535-0 unanimous Democratic Congress between 2009-2011, followed by more Obama sycophantic nonsense and typical mentions of 'teabagger' and my citizenship. :bigblush:

Edited by zaibatsu, 07 September 2012 - 05:44 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:44 PM

If I was an american I would not want to vote repbulican after the whole bush thing.....
Plus I think hating on homosexuals went out of style a century ago.

Obama it is.

(edit: typo)

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:14 PM

I'm guessing all the people in this thread saying "Obama and Romney are exactly the same!!1!" are too young to remember the 2000 election?

Quick refresher for everyone: it was between Al Gore and George W. Bush. A whole lot of people like you were running around saying that there was no difference between the two candidates. As a result, a lot of people voted for a 3rd party candidate, and as a result of THAT Bush won the election.

Bush was the worst president since the Civil War. He started two wars, crashed the economy, turned a surplus into a deficit, gutted environmental regulations, appointed radical conservatives to the Supreme Court, prevented research on stem cells, ignored climate change etc., etc, He created the whole mess that Obama is desperately trying to fix. Gore probably wouldn't have created any mess.

So, I know you're all young, but try to learn some history before you give your opinions about the election. Pretending that Democrats and Republicans are the same was literally catastrophically stupid in 2000, and its just as stupid today. The only reason you should even consider voting for a 3rd party is if you're okay with having a repeat of the Bush years.

Of course, Ron Paul isn't even a good candidate in a vacuum. In fact he's terrible. His policies would completely dismantle the welfare state and basically push the country back to the 1700's. If you think support Ron Paul, I strongly, strongly, strongly urge you to learn some history.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

Pardon? Obama along with Bush bail out the financials, bail out the automotive industry, people who made the most reckless choices to lend money to those who didn't deserve the loans, made cars people didn't want to buy, and didn't deserve to have their stupidity and failure rewarded, but didn't bail out people who foreclosed on their homes. Obama then signs free trade agreements with countries in Asia and South America that help export US middle class jobs overseas, while simultaneously signing subsidies to Walmart to hire part time low income jobs to offset that.

What the frack are people smoking?


You know bailing out the auto industry saved hundreds of thousands of jobs right? It was the pro-middle class thing to do.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:22 PM

I'm guessing all the people in this thread saying "Obama and Romney are exactly the same!!1!" are too young to remember the 2000 election?

Quick refresher for everyone: it was between Al Gore and George W. Bush. A whole lot of people like you were running around saying that there was no difference between the two candidates. As a result, a lot of people voted for a 3rd party candidate, and as a result of THAT Bush won the election.

Bush was the worst president since the Civil War. He started two wars, crashed the economy, turned a surplus into a deficit, gutted environmental regulations, appointed radical conservatives to the Supreme Court, prevented research on stem cells, ignored climate change etc., etc, He created the whole mess that Obama is desperately trying to fix. Gore probably wouldn't have created any mess.

So, I know you're all young, but try to learn some history before you give your opinions about the election. Pretending that Democrats and Republicans are the same was literally catastrophically stupid in 2000, and its just as stupid today. The only reason you should even consider voting for a 3rd party is if you're okay with having a repeat of the Bush years.

Of course, Ron Paul isn't even a good candidate in a vacuum. In fact he's terrible. His policies would completely dismantle the welfare state and basically push the country back to the 1700's. If you think support Ron Paul, I strongly, strongly, strongly urge you to learn some history.

Let me guess, you're an angry Gore voter who blamed Nader for Dubya winning? That was a cute rant.

You know bailing out the auto industry saved hundreds of thousands of jobs right? It was the pro-middle class thing to do.

Strange how the job market is still crap (crappy low income part time jobs replacing middle class full time jobs), the middle class gap and thus income gap in general is still widening, the primary beneficiaries of bailout money were shareholders and high up corporate douchebags given a golden parachute. The addition of toxic debt and long term interest to the federal government's books (to throw on top of the other interest pile that is going to surpass defence spending soon enough) was not worth the short term stupidity. Unfortunately people have become so accustomed to government interfering in the economy so much they don't know what a terrible intervention is.. and this was amongst the most catastrophic ones to go with bailing out the financials. No lesson learned, a larger debt.. yay pro middle class thing!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:40 PM

Why do some people insist on blaming a third party for their group's downfalls?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

Let me guess, you're an angry Gore voter who blamed Nader for Dubya winning? That was a cute rant.


Strange how the job market is still crap (crappy low income part time jobs replacing middle class full time jobs), the middle class gap and thus income gap in general is still widening, the primary beneficiaries of bailout money were shareholders and high up corporate douchebags given a golden parachute. The addition of toxic debt and long term interest to the federal government's books (to throw on top of the other interest pile that is going to surpass defence spending soon enough) was not worth the short term stupidity. Unfortunately people have become so accustomed to government interfering in the economy so much they don't know what a terrible intervention is.. and this was amongst the most catastrophic ones to go with bailing out the financials. No lesson learned, a larger debt.. yay pro middle class thing!


I'm a Canadian. And it is simply an empirical fact that if Nader had not run, Gore would have been president. Google the state by state vote totals some time.

As for the bailout... your paragraph was borderline incomprehensible gibberish. With interest rates as low as they are, there is zero reason why the federal government shouldn't be borrowing more money to intervene in the economy. It costs them literally nothing in the long run. And using that money to save hundreds of thousands jobs that otherwise would have disappeared entirely is one of the best uses possible. How anyone can be against the GM bailout while still pretending to be for the people is insane.

Your use of terms like "toxic debt" and "long term interest" is completely erroneous and demonstrates that you pretty much have no clue what you're talking about.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:10 PM

Why do some people insist on blaming a third party for their group's downfalls?


Bush won Florida by 750 votes (officially). Nader got 97,000 votes.

But no, voting for Nader didn't have any negative consequences whatsoever. Keep believing that!
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

I'm a Canadian. And it is simply an empirical fact that if Nader had not run, Gore would have been president. Google the state by state vote totals some time.

As for the bailout... your paragraph was borderline incomprehensible gibberish. With interest rates as low as they are, there is zero reason why the federal government shouldn't be borrowing more money to intervene in the economy. It costs them literally nothing in the long run. And using that money to save hundreds of thousands jobs that otherwise would have disappeared entirely is one of the best uses possible. How anyone can be against the GM bailout while still pretending to be for the people is insane.

Your use of terms like "toxic debt" and "long term interest" is completely erroneous and demonstrates that you pretty much have no clue what you're talking about.


Astutely said!! .. you are trying to speak truth to a poster who seldom tries to understand anyone's point of view but his own .. eventually, he will put you on "ignore" rather than allow your reasoned approach to sway his bias .. :)
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:15 PM

Why do some people insist on blaming a third party for their group's downfalls?


It's like Christian blaming Pontius Pilate when we all know it was per-ordained that Jesus would die for our sins, as his Pappy, the Good Lord, had decided ..
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