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#721 Lancaster

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:42 PM

The whole PBS thing... I always thought it was funded entirely by the donors.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

b b b bird bird..........bird is the word.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 08:08 AM

What will Obama campaign on next? SpungeBob SquarePants? :lol:
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:36 AM

Good to see the irony of using Big Bird isn't lost on everyone. There was a study done during some recent previous election showing that the vocabulary level used in debates most resembled 4th grade. Glad to see the trajectory is being maintained.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

What will Obama campaign on next? SpungeBob SquarePants? :lol:

You laugh, but the fact is Obama is going Nicklelodeon. http://www.examiner....ith-nickelodeon
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

RCP Average, 9/28 - 10/9, Romney +1.0
Rasmussen Tracking,10/7 - 10/9, Romney +1
Gallup Tracking, 10/3 - 10/9, Tie
IBD/TIPP Tracking, 10/4 - 10/9, Romney +5
Pew Research, 10/4 - 10/7, Romney +4
Politico/GWU/Battleground, 10/1 - 10/4, Obama +1
CNN/Opinion Research, 9/28 - 9/30, Obama +3

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:26 PM

What will Obama campaign on next? SpungeBob SquarePants? :lol:


You mean... Romney? I think you're forgetting who first brought up Big Bird as a campaign issue.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

Even as a Canadian I am really freaking scared of Romney possibly becoming president. Talk about recession double dipping. Vice presidential debate tomorrow, I fully expect Ryan to get creamed. Maybe it's the Palin thing all over again, some obscure candidate gets the nod for VP expecting they will represent a fringe demographic only to ultimately insult the demographic with pandering.

Americans, do the right thing, vote for the intellectual. Romney has flip flopped on every imaginable issue, does not want to speak about specific policy changes, offers nothing of his 'ingenious' plan to boost the American economy, and has business interests he wishes to protect upon entering the white house. Bush 3.0.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

Did you guys know Big Bird and the Sesame St brand filed a net worth of 330 million bucks last year with the IRS ?

They kinda dont need any more public financing to survive . In fact, they could easily go to ABC or NBC or 50 cable channels with their name recognition and make a whole pile of money.

As for PBS, it was given 140 million from the government , and over 2 BILLION from private donors last year. So even as a whole, they just dont need the taxpayer dollars.

How many teachers could that hire?


How many teachers could have been hired if the States didn't go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan?

Jon Stewart said it best, “Give me back the $800 billion for the Iraq war and children’s television is on the house.”

Edited by Columbo, 10 October 2012 - 12:33 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:37 PM

You mean... Romney? I think you're forgetting who first brought up Big Bird as a campaign issue.


Politicians bring all kinds of concepts up all the time. Doesnt mean you go on a fascist brainwashing spree with every little thing.

bringing up big bird is a far cry from then taking it, making it into the GOP wanting to GET RID of Big Bird, then Elmo and the entire PBS and then making commercials and stump speeches about it .

Ever heard of a concept called 'changing the subject' away from his horrid debate performance and his economy

Bird Bird.....................bird is the word..............................

Did you know Sesame St has officially asked Obama to stop using his name or brand in his speeches and commercials?
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

How many teachers could have been hired if the States didn't go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan?

Jon Stewart said it best, “Give me back the $800 billion for the Iraq war and children’s television is on the house.”


Cept Obama was IN FAVOR of the Afgan war from the very start and still is. So its his baby for the last 11 years and even two more years at least.

How many teachers is that?
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:42 PM

How many teachers could have been hired if the States didn't go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan?

Jon Stewart said it best, “Give me back the $800 billion for the Iraq war and children’s television is on the house.”


how about instead do the responsible thing . Give me back the 800 billion and PAY DOWN THE @$%#$% 16 trillion dollar debt .

There you go, you got 15.2 trillion dollar debt instead of 16 trillion.

800 billion on freebie television? Not only did he not say it best, he didn't think it through.

I just said that WAY better than Stewart.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

how about instead do the responsible thing . Give me back the 800 billion and PAY DOWN THE @$%#$% 16 trillion dollar debt .

There you go, you got 15.2 trillion dollar debt instead of 16 trillion.

800 billion on freebie television? Not only did he not say it best, he didn't think it through.

I just said that WAY better than Stewart.


Oh yea .. Jon is shaking in his boots fearing you will replace him! .. get off yer Mom's couch and get a job! .. yer wasting the best years of yer life .. B)
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

Cept Obama was IN FAVOR of the Afgan war from the very start and still is. So its his baby for the last 11 years and even two more years at least.

How many teachers is that?


WTF?

I have to stop you now. You have decorated this thread with incorrect and often incoherent 'facts'. Facts are that which are proven, not that in which is stated in an online forum. Let's not misconstrue how the Iraq war was started, it was Dick Cheney's presentation to the UN of tubular pipe purchases and uranium deposits to imply that Iraq had means of creating nuclear weapons. You can do many things with long tubes, be that pipelines or drainage systems but Cheney and his puppet Bush went to the UN and made the presentation regardless. A notion towards war against Iraq in which only the British Tony Blair supported. This war was not legitimate as it did not have international support.

It was the half baked scheme of the Bush administration to enter Iraq if only to go after Saddam, finishing his father's mistake. It was the republicans that started both wars, neglected to reinforce the levies before Katrina, enabled a culture of deregulation and ultimately destroyed the American economy. It was Obama who ended the Iraq war, got a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Bush policy on torture, and ultimately the guy who killed Bin Laden. Regardless of Obama's vote in 2003, I really don't see how you can glorify republicans in all of this.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:56 PM

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:10 PM

Great cartoons ^ ^ ^ Jaimito .. unfortunately, none of the cartoons I have seen do that lying sack of dog excrement justice .. him trying to take political advantage of a dead ex-Navy Seal is deplorable ..
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:20 PM

WTF?

I have to stop you now. You have decorated this thread with incorrect and often incoherent 'facts'. Facts are that which are proven, not that in which is stated in an online forum. Let's not misconstrue how the Iraq war was started, it was Dick Cheney's presentation to the UN of tubular pipe purchases and uranium deposits to imply that Iraq had means of creating nuclear weapons. You can do many things with long tubes, be that pipelines or drainage systems but Cheney and his puppet Bush went to the UN and made the presentation regardless. A notion towards war against Iraq in which only the British Tony Blair supported. This war was not legitimate as it did not have international support.

It was the half baked scheme of the Bush administration to enter Iraq if only to go after Saddam, finishing his father's mistake. It was the republicans that started both wars, neglected to reinforce the levies before Katrina, enabled a culture of deregulation and ultimately destroyed the American economy. It was Obama who ended the Iraq war, got a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Bush policy on torture, and ultimately the guy who killed Bin Laden. Regardless of Obama's vote in 2003, I really don't see how you can glorify republicans in all of this.


Romney has nothing to do with the Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. He was never even in Washington and had nothing to do with that administration.

None of what Bush did has anything to do with Romney just as nothing Jimmy Carter did has anything to do with Obama.

So your whole rant is a JOKE . Debunked immediately.

Want a REAL fact ? Listen up sonny .

I aint a republican . Never voted Republican.

I graduated from SFU with an undergraduate degree in Political Science in 1992. Were you even BORN yet?

I am highly amused by kids sitting around in Canada trying to discuss politics in another country that you have no say in. Trying to thrall us with your gems of wisdom in affairs that are 15 pay grades over your head.

I can assure you that whatever you think you see on MSNBC or FOX or Huffington Post is nowhere near any objective reality.

So yes, I think this thread is funny. A bunch of kids in Canada thinking they know dry @$%$ about American Politics.

it is irrelevant whether you LIKE my opinion or not.

This thread is supposed to be about Romney and Obama. Keep it about that.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

Oh yea .. Jon is shaking in his boots fearing you will replace him! .. get off yer Mom's couch and get a job! .. yer wasting the best years of yer life .. B)


Spinning to personal attacks means you lost the argument.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:32 PM

Romney has nothing to do with the Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. He was never even in Washington and had nothing to do with that administration.

None of what Bush did has anything to do with Romney just as nothing Jimmy Carter did has anything to do with Obama.

So your whole rant is a JOKE . Debunked immediately.

Want a REAL fact ? Listen up sonny .

I aint a republican . Never voted Republican.

I graduated from SFU with an undergraduate degree in Political Science in 1992. Were you even BORN yet?

I am highly amused by kids sitting around in Canada trying to discuss politics in another country that you have no say in. Trying to thrall us with your gems of wisdom in affairs that are 15 pay grades over your head.

I can assure you that whatever you think you see on MSNBC or FOX or Huffington Post is nowhere near any objective reality.

So yes, I think this thread is funny. A bunch of kids in Canada thinking they know dry @$%$ about American Politics.

it is irrelevant whether you LIKE my opinion or not.

This thread is supposed to be about Romney and Obama. Keep it about that.




Hey sonny.....I'm no kid....graduated from University long before you did........your replies are not making a lick of sense.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:39 PM

Hey sonny.....I'm no kid....graduated from University long before you did........your replies are not making a lick of sense.

You didn't capitalize random words so he wins. ;)
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

Spinning to personal attacks means you lost the argument.


When I graduated with my Masters in 1972, is was in Sarcasm and Humor .. alas, I fear I am wasting my education .. :lol:

Edit: Actually 1975 from SFU .. :)

Edited by Tearloch7, 10 October 2012 - 06:54 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:01 PM

Not sure if it was posted, but:


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:51 PM

Romney has nothing to do with the Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. He was never even in Washington and had nothing to do with that administration.

None of what Bush did has anything to do with Romney just as nothing Jimmy Carter did has anything to do with Obama.

So your whole rant is a JOKE . Debunked immediately.

Want a REAL fact ? Listen up sonny .

I aint a republican . Never voted Republican.

I graduated from SFU with an undergraduate degree in Political Science in 1992. Were you even BORN yet?

I am highly amused by kids sitting around in Canada trying to discuss politics in another country that you have no say in. Trying to thrall us with your gems of wisdom in affairs that are 15 pay grades over your head.

I can assure you that whatever you think you see on MSNBC or FOX or Huffington Post is nowhere near any objective reality.

So yes, I think this thread is funny. A bunch of kids in Canada thinking they know dry @$%$ about American Politics.

it is irrelevant whether you LIKE my opinion or not.

This thread is supposed to be about Romney and Obama. Keep it about that.


I graded from SFU as well, joint major Political Science and Economics (2 separate degrees). I am currently doing a masters in Economics.

I brought up the Bush/Cheney incident as you brought up the Iraq war. I was preventing you from misconstruing facts as you have continuously done. As another poster just said, 'you're not making a lick of sense', and it's true. You're saying it has nothing to do with Romney but that wasn't the intention of the argument. The intention was to prevent another set of your rants somehow making Obama out to be a warmonger. The Iraq war was declared over on Dec 15 2011.

If we were to make the Bush years relevant to this current campaign, it wouldn't be difficult, as much of the policy debate relies upon correcting Bush's wrongs. Regardless, with Bush sh*tting the bed so fantastically and the ensuing defeat of the right's champion in McCain it has led to a magnificent spiral within the Republican party. This has led to the rise of the Tea Party and the manifesto of Atlas Shrugged which if you were a poli sci major you would understand the similarities to what is currently going on in the Republican party.

Judging by your lack of refinement and inability to coherently convey a message I will take a stab in thinking you did not graduate in 92', are younger than you claim, and likely have never set foot in a post secondary institution. I shall then explain Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged

It is essential a story of a group of business leaders fighting big government oppression. A market failure is caused by government meddling to which big business becomes both the heroes and the victims of the novel. The protagonists are noble "producers" who are unfairly oppressed, in this iteration of the proletarian novel the self-interested businessman is the hero instead of the villain. You see as a way to prevent government from "controlling" their industry, entrepreneur types withdraw their role within the economy, "producers" refuse to produce, lay off employees and neglect to work. The book is essentially about a strike, in which the capitalists' reverse the conventional hard-times understanding of America. Worker's didn't build America - rather businessmen did. You can see the connections to the communist manifesto- rather the roles have been reversed. Big business is a victim of big government, oppressed by a class of intellectuals who just leach off of their "production". Instead of rising up against their oppressors the self-interested businessman lockouts out his workers to make them rally against big government, from which ultimately the business class takes it's "rightful place" as leaders of the country.

Why do I mention Atlas Shrugged? Could it be that Paul Ryan just 9 days after Obama was sworn in was promoting this book on Fox News? Could it be that the Tea Party sentiment of blaming the government for the economic collapse and not the bad gambles of giant corporations resembles a primary theme within the book? Could it be that the Koch brothers have invested millions in 'grassroots' tea party marches to portray the Obama administration as evil somehow resembles the actions of the "producing" class in rallying their workers against big government? Lastly, could it be an idea prevalent throughout Romney's campaign, that there is a population (47%) dependant upon government programs that are supporting the role of big government hence crushing the businessman?

You see these questions are rhetorical. The current republican party has taken a sharp right turn from the McCain defeat, has let people like Palin and Ryan become figureheads for what is a movement based solely on manipulation of the worker. Somehow the business class represents the people better than the party promoting social programs.

I honestly don't care which way you vote, just know when you're being manipulated.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:14 PM

Romney has nothing to do with the Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. He was never even in Washington and had nothing to do with that administration.

None of what Bush did has anything to do with Romney just as nothing Jimmy Carter did has anything to do with Obama.


it is irrelevant whether you LIKE my opinion or not.

This thread is supposed to be about Romney and Obama. Keep it about that.


Oh and it wasn't about liking your opinion or not it was about misconstruing facts, once again. Romney didn't have anything to do with the Iraq war, neither did Obama as he was a state senator when the war began (he didn't have a vote). Obama has merely managed to end the war, a feat that should win the election by itself.

Obama: Nobel Peace Prize for ending Bush's policy on torture, ends Iraq war, kills Bin Laden, successful controlling of Libyan uprising, creates 4 million jobs since taking office, unemployment rate it's best since 2009, saves GM, Ford and Chrysler from bankruptcy, and made health care possible for everyone.

Romney: oversaw the Salt Lake city games, implemented a health care system similar to the current Obamacare in his state of Massachusetts, involed with Bain capital for most of his adult life - which includes slave labour, buying up failing businesses to sell for a profit, and tax evasion, from which Romney himself neglects to pay his proper share of taxes.

I think this gives us a pretty good idea about their pasts. Perhaps it's not the Canadians who are uninformed.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:22 PM

Good to see the irony of using Big Bird isn't lost on everyone. There was a study done during some recent previous election showing that the vocabulary level used in debates most resembled 4th grade. Glad to see the trajectory is being maintained.


So maybe his rational is to make 4th graders dumber by cancelling their TV shows? Also, isn't firing these people losing jobs for Americans? I thought he was all pro-job creation and such... Guess what Romney, once you fire all these people, they are going to become the 47% unemployed moochers you hate so much. So now guess what, you still gotta borrow money from the Chinese to pay for them, except now you have less jobs. Good job Rom.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:18 AM

What will Obama campaign on next? SpungeBob SquarePants? :lol:

See? This is why we need Sesame Street....

We have people claiming to make intelligent political arguments, yet they don't even know how to spell "sponge"....

800 billion on freebie television? Not only did he not say it best, he didn't think it through.

I just said that WAY better than Stewart.

No, you didn't. The point was that Romney and his cronies are talking up the funding to PBS like it's some large amount of money. The fact is, it isn't. Nowhere near 800 billion dollars. Besides, Stewart wasn't talking about giving that money to PBS. He was saying that by putting all of that money to better use, the money spent on public television would seem like nothing.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:09 AM

See? This is why we need Sesame Street....

We have people claiming to make intelligent political arguments, yet they don't even know how to spell "sponge"....


Actually you know what, Obama should campaign on Mickey Mouse. It would be more fitting I think. Perhaps he could connect with even more voters, more akin to yourself. But judging by recent polls it looks like he might be onto something with Big Bird here. :lol:
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

Man I hope Joe has a few drinks before the debate tonight.

The Entertain-o-meter would be through the roof.

Go get em' Joe!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:39 AM

You know the funny thing about the big bird thing; which isn't really even a thing, is the passion and vitriol to act as if this stupidity was started by "the other guy".

Whether one agrees or not that PBS deserves or needs the money is irrelevant because it's meaningless in regards to anything important. If Sesame Street reported 300 million in revenue or that PBS gets 2 billion from donations last year doesn't matter. (That's nothing by the way in terms of money to run a station that isn't making much income outside of British programming marathons and Sesame Street. )

In terms of any presidential debate it just simply doesn't matter and was a ridiculously stupid thing to even be brought up in the first place. It was an attempt to make people think that it's a lot of money because for post people it sounds like a lot of money. How many teachers would that hire? It doesn't bloody matter how many because that money wouldn't go to hiring teachers but if it did it would hire a lot but only because they don't pay teachers worth a damn. Maybe focus on that rather than this garbage because the money is nothing.

Edit: I'm not sure if I repeated my point enough times in two poorly written paragraph.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:54 AM

You know the funny thing about the big bird thing; which isn't really even a thing, is the passion and vitriol to act as if this stupidity was started by "the other guy".

Whether one agrees or not that PBS deserves or needs the money is irrelevant because it's meaningless in regards to anything important. If Sesame Street reported 300 million in revenue or that PBS gets 2 billion from donations last year doesn't matter. (That's nothing by the way in terms of money to run a station that isn't making much income outside of British programming marathons and Sesame Street. )

In terms of any presidential debate it just simply doesn't matter and was a ridiculously stupid thing to even be brought up in the first place. It was an attempt to make people think that it's a lot of money because for post people it sounds like a lot of money. How many teachers would that hire? It doesn't bloody matter how many because that money wouldn't go to hiring teachers but if it did it would hire a lot but only because they don't pay teachers worth a damn. Maybe focus on that rather than this garbage because the money is nothing.

Edit: I'm not sure if I repeated my point enough times in two poorly written paragraph.



Now THAT'S the kind of rambling incoherency that i'm hoping Joe brings tonight.
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