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  1. Obama (279 votes [85.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.32%

  2. Romney (48 votes [14.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.68%

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:56 PM

I think debates would be a fun drinking game. Every time one of them lies you take a drink.


Totally not cool. I'm not sure any human being on the face of this earth could actually finish the game at the end of the debate and not die of alcohol poisoning.


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:35 PM

hey cdc

i'm voting Romney

well I'm sorry that gd is soo perfect


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:46 PM

hey cdc

i'm voting Romney


I am sure your Mother is proud of you .. I know we are .. good thinking, Sparky .. :towel:

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’

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The head of a northeast Ohio charity says that the Romney campaign last week “ramrodded their way” into the group’s Youngstown soup kitchen so that GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan could get his picture taken washing dishes in the dining hall.

Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, said that he was not contacted by the Romney campaign ahead of the Saturday morning visit by Ryan, who stopped by the soup kitchen after a town hall at Youngstown State University.

“We’re a faith-based organization; we are apolitical because the majority of our funding is from private donations,” Antal said in a phone interview Monday afternoon. “It’s strictly in our bylaws not to do it. They showed up there, and they did not have permission. They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors.”

He added: “The photo-op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall.”

Ryan had stopped by the soup kitchen for about 15 minutes on his way to the airport after his Saturday morning town hall in Youngstown. By the time he arrived, the food had already been served, the patrons had left, and the hall had been cleaned.
Upon entering the soup kitchen, Ryan, his wife and three young children greeted and thanked several volunteers, then donned white aprons and offered to clean some dishes. Photographers snapped photos and TV cameras shot footage of Ryan and his family washing pots and pans that did not appear to be dirty.

According to a Romney aide not authorized to speak publicly about the event, the campaign followed its usual protocol for impromptu, on-the-road stops by candidates: A staffer was dispatched to the St. Vincent De Paul Society ahead of Ryan’s visit Saturday morning and spoke with a woman in charge on site, who said that it would be fine for the congressman to stop by. The campaign did not contact Antal ahead of the visit.

The woman on site told the Romney staffer that some of the volunteers had already left, but that most were happy to remain until Ryan arrived, according to the aide. After Ryan left the soup kitchen, the woman approached a campaign staffer and expressed gratitude for Ryan’s visit, the aide said.

Chris Maloney, Ohio communications director for the Romney campaign, said that the visit by Ryan had been intended to highlight the work of the soup kitchen volunteers.

“Our campaign and Congressman Ryan were pleased to bring attention to the meaningful charitable contributions the St. Vincent De Paul Society makes to people in need,” Maloney said.

Antal, a self-described independent voter, said that he “can’t fault my volunteers” for letting the campaign in but said that the campaign “didn’t go through the proper channels.”

He noted that the soup kitchen relies on funding from private individuals who might reconsider their support if it appears that the charity is favoring one political candidate over another.

“I can’t afford to lose funding from these private individuals,” he said. “If this was the Democrats, I’d have the same exact problem.”

He added that the incident had caused him “all kinds of grief” and that regardless of whether Ryan had intended to serve food to patrons or wash dishes, he would not have allowed the visit to take place.

“Had they asked for permission, it wouldn’t have been granted. … But I certainly wouldn’t have let him wash clean pans, and then take a picture,” Antal said.

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President of St. Vincent De Paul Society blasts Ryan visit as 'publicity stunt'


YOUNGSTOWN ­­— The president of Mahoning County’s St. Vincent De Paul Society is “shocked” and “angry” that Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan used the soup kitchen for a “publicity stunt.”

Brian J. Antal, who runs the society, said today the campaign “ramrodded themselves in there” without getting proper permission for the visit Saturday that followed Ryan’s town-hall meeting at Youngstown State University.

Juanita Sherba, St. Vincent’s Saturday coordinator for the dinning hall, said she gave the Ryan campaign approval that day for the visit by the candidate and his family.

Sherba say she now realizes it wasn’t her call to make.

The event “was a photo op,” she said. “It was the phoniest piece of baloney I’ve ever been associated with. In hindsight, I would have never let him in the door.”

The event was completely staged by the campaign, she said.

When asked for a comment, Christopher Maloney, spokesman for the Romney/Ryan campaign, said: “Our campaign and Congressman Ryan were pleased to bring attention to the meaningful charitable contributions St. Vincent De Paul Society makes to people in need.”



:lol:

'Nuff said.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:49 PM

^ ^ ^ .. what freaking tool's .. the both of them .. I wanna see Mitt and Ann working in a car-wash .. :frantic:

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:58 PM

And this isn't even Romney's real face!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:01 PM

And this isn't even Romney's real face!

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You mean he's got more than two? ;)

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:12 PM

:lol:

'Nuff said.


Naaa - that makes perfect sense...

I mean, picture this... you're in the race of your life to win the ULTIMATE goal and your coach says "Dude, just pop in, we'll take a few pics, bing bang boom! we're done"

I'd totally be like - pass the apron mate!


LoL - seriously tho, that's actually a really great pic of the Ryans.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:19 PM

The only reason Obama is going to win this election is becuase Romney is the other choice, they are both horrible options for president.

The US is screwed either way

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:02 AM

The only reason Obama is going to win this election is becuase Romney is the other choice, they are both horrible options for president.

The US is screwed either way


Gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement... I have absolutely no idea how you could possibly argue Obama is a "HORRIBLE" president.

I would argue Obama has done more good for the US and the world then Bush Jr, Clinton (yes, even Mr Bj in the O.O. - see repealing of Glass-Steagall) and Bush Sr. That brings us all the way back to the 80's, when Carter had 8 years and I would even like to argue Obama has been better then Carter (although that's definitely a tough sell and an Obama vs Carter debate would truly be gold).

Seriously tho, lumping Obama in with Romney does nothing more then belittle all of our intelligence.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:05 AM

Gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement... I have absolutely no idea how you could possibly argue Obama is a "HORRIBLE" president.

I would argue Obama has done more good for the US and the world then Bush Jr, Clinton (yes, even Mr Bj in the O.O. - see repealing of Glass-Steagall) and Bush Sr. That brings us all the way back to the 80's, when Carter had 8 years and I would even like to argue Obama has been better then Carter (although that's definitely a tough sell and an Obama vs Carter debate would truly be gold).

Seriously tho, lumping Obama in with Romney does nothing more then belittle all of our intelligence.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:25 AM

Gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement... I have absolutely no idea how you could possibly argue Obama is a "HORRIBLE" president.


He is a bad president because he was only in government for 125 days as a Senator, of that time he spent the bulk of that campaigning to be POTUS. He has socialist views on the way the US should be run (proven by the vast overreach of gov. by taking over the auto industry, banking industry, and health care.) His ideas on energy are crippling the US, he has stated that he wants energy prices to skyrocket. finding another option of energy is fine, but oil and gas should be usedto the maximum until they can be replaced. He has alienated Israel and shown favor to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has not passed a budget, ever. He submitted one and it was slammed 97-0 nobody in his own party even voted for it. His idea of compromise is that everyone does what he wants. He shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. He has been the main cause of divide in the US both racial divide, and class warfare.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:04 AM

He is a bad president because he was only in government for 125 days as a Senator, of that time he spent the bulk of that campaigning to be POTUS. He has socialist views on the way the US should be run (proven by the vast overreach of gov. by taking over the auto industry, banking industry, and health care.) His ideas on energy are crippling the US, he has stated that he wants energy prices to skyrocket. finding another option of energy is fine, but oil and gas should be usedto the maximum until they can be replaced. He has alienated Israel and shown favor to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has not passed a budget, ever. He submitted one and it was slammed 97-0 nobody in his own party even voted for it. His idea of compromise is that everyone does what he wants. He shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. He has been the main cause of divide in the US both racial divide, and class warfare.


So...

1- unless someone has more then 125 days as a senator, they are unfit to be POTUS?
2- socialist agenda = evil?
3- any POTUS that supports green energy = evil? (lets not kid ourselves, the fact Obama backed renewable energy businesses has not been the reason the US economy is the state it is now)
4- I don even know how to respond to the statement that Obama is backing the Muslim Brotherhood
5- Budgets require more then a 1 point reply
6- You sure you're not talking about Romney here?
7- He listens to the people and delays a project for further consideration and this = evil? (As a Canadian, before Obama even said anything my response to this issue was, Frak America, lets take this pipeline to the west coast! Oh wait... we have environmental concerns of our own and shouldn't build one.... let the US deal with spillage... ok...)
8- Main cause of racial divide ? Yeah, cause a white boy is totally going to split the black vote!
9- Split the class divide? Yeah, cause finally there's a president who actually stands up for the middle class!

Wait... I've asked this before... are you just trolling me?

False equivocations are a result of a lazy mind.


I'm not sure when I ever claimed to not be lazy...

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:47 AM

He is a bad president because he was only in government for 125 days as a Senator, of that time he spent the bulk of that campaigning to be POTUS. He has socialist views on the way the US should be run (proven by the vast overreach of gov. by taking over the auto industry, banking industry, and health care.) His ideas on energy are crippling the US, he has stated that he wants energy prices to skyrocket. finding another option of energy is fine, but oil and gas should be usedto the maximum until they can be replaced. He has alienated Israel and shown favor to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has not passed a budget, ever. He submitted one and it was slammed 97-0 nobody in his own party even voted for it. His idea of compromise is that everyone does what he wants. He shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. He has been the main cause of divide in the US both racial divide, and class warfare.


... dude .... I can't even.... I have a warning post so I can't say what I really am feeling. You are wrong and misguided in every sentence you posted. I suppose your one Fox broadcast away from believing the holocaust was fake.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:59 AM

So...

1- unless someone has more then 125 days as a senator, they are unfit to be POTUS?
2- socialist agenda = evil?
3- any POTUS that supports green energy = evil? (lets not kid ourselves, the fact Obama backed renewable energy businesses has not been the reason the US economy is the state it is now)
4- I don even know how to respond to the statement that Obama is backing the Muslim Brotherhood
5- Budgets require more then a 1 point reply
6- You sure you're not talking about Romney here?
7- He listens to the people and delays a project for further consideration and this = evil? (As a Canadian, before Obama even said anything my response to this issue was, Frak America, lets take this pipeline to the west coast! Oh wait... we have environmental concerns of our own and shouldn't build one.... let the US deal with spillage... ok...)
8- Main cause of racial divide ? Yeah, cause a white boy is totally going to split the black vote!
9- Split the class divide? Yeah, cause finally there's a president who actually stands up for the middle class!

Wait... I've asked this before... are you just trolling me?



I'm not sure when I ever claimed to not be lazy...


I know how to respond to something that stupid...but it's likely against board rules.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:08 AM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:12 AM

He is a bad president because he was only in government for 125 days as a Senator, of that time he spent the bulk of that campaigning to be POTUS. He has socialist views on the way the US should be run (proven by the vast overreach of gov. by taking over the auto industry, banking industry, and health care.) His ideas on energy are crippling the US, he has stated that he wants energy prices to skyrocket. finding another option of energy is fine, but oil and gas should be usedto the maximum until they can be replaced. He has alienated Israel and shown favor to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has not passed a budget, ever. He submitted one and it was slammed 97-0 nobody in his own party even voted for it. His idea of compromise is that everyone does what he wants. He shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. He has been the main cause of divide in the US both racial divide, and class warfare.


I realize you already posted quite a long post but could you please elaborate more. I would really like to learn a little more about Obama. I heard something about a war on Christmas a while ago, what was that all about?.. Did they ever find his birth certificate?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:32 AM

I realize you already posted quite a long post but could you please elaborate more. I would really like to learn a little more about Obama. I heard something about a war on Christmas a while ago, what was that all about?.. Did they ever find his birth certificate?


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:10 AM

He is a bad president because he was only in government for 125 days as a Senator, of that time he spent the bulk of that campaigning to be POTUS. He has socialist views on the way the US should be run (proven by the vast overreach of gov. by taking over the auto industry, banking industry, and health care.) His ideas on energy are crippling the US, he has stated that he wants energy prices to skyrocket. finding another option of energy is fine, but oil and gas should be usedto the maximum until they can be replaced. He has alienated Israel and shown favor to the Muslim Brotherhood. He has not passed a budget, ever. He submitted one and it was slammed 97-0 nobody in his own party even voted for it. His idea of compromise is that everyone does what he wants. He shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. He has been the main cause of divide in the US both racial divide, and class warfare.

You got this entire paragraph from the Tea Party website, didn't you?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:21 AM

You got this entire paragraph from the Tea Party website, didn't you?


I am not sure what orifice he drew that particular drivel from but I was too tired to respond without risking my mortal soul ..

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:38 AM

Gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement... I have absolutely no idea how you could possibly argue Obama is a "HORRIBLE" president.

I would argue Obama has done more good for the US and the world then Bush Jr, Clinton (yes, even Mr Bj in the O.O. - see repealing of Glass-Steagall) and Bush Sr. That brings us all the way back to the 80's, when Carter had 8 years and I would even like to argue Obama has been better then Carter (although that's definitely a tough sell and an Obama vs Carter debate would truly be gold).

Seriously tho, lumping Obama in with Romney does nothing more then belittle all of our intelligence.

Obama has been worse overall than Clinton, which itself is an accomplishment, and worse than Bush in most areas, particularly on economic and domestic policy matters.

The fact that people can sit there and say Obama is anything other than mediocre points to how mind-numbingly stupid so many people are, but then again, I'll reiterate that Bush got re-elected, so that's likely why no one outside Obama sycophantism is surprised how terrible a President he is yet how many people support such mediocrity.

I'd also gladly lump him and Romney together because at the end of the day they're friends, they both work together at deceiving Americans, limiting their options of who to vote for, and would, piece-by-piece, dismantle constitutional rights in the name of "national security".

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

Obama has been worse overall than Clinton, which itself is an accomplishment, and worse than Bush in most areas, particularly on economic and domestic policy matters.

The fact that people can sit there and say Obama is anything other than mediocre points to how mind-numbingly stupid so many people are, but then again, I'll reiterate that Bush got re-elected, so that's likely why no one outside Obama sycophantism is surprised how terrible a President he is yet how many people support such mediocrity.

I'd also gladly lump him and Romney together because at the end of the day they're friends, they both work together at deceiving Americans, limiting their options of who to vote for, and would, piece-by-piece, dismantle constitutional rights in the name of "national security".


Or perhaps it takes someone mind-numbingly stupid to think that Obama has been worse than Bush as Bush with his policies and economic agenda of playing 'kick the can' helped drive the American economy into the ditch, and Obama since his arrival, and to this point, has repaired the flat, and driven it out of the ditch, with reduced unemployment, higher private sector jobs numbers, an improved stock market, a rescued auto industry, relief for many homeowners with mortgages, better access to education for many young people, and so much more, all while getting nearly absolutely zero help from the Republicans in both the House and the Senate. Their agenda has been to do everything they can to obstruct and minimize the President's agenda, and the affectiveness of his legislation, while offering nothing credible to get the economy moving, to tackle health care, or the debt, or education, or other important economic and domestic areas, without resorting to vouchers, tax cuts for the already wealthiest top percentage income owners, or by shifting the tax burden onto the middle class even more with across the board cuts. And all that, while somehow forgetting to put two wars, and a prescription plan on the books with a previous Republican President. Oh yeah, it's all Obama's fault.....

Yeah, the U.S. definitely need those guys in charge and not Obama. :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:02 AM

^ ^ ^ .. well said, Sharpy .. zaibatsu using a term like "mind-numbingly stupid" said it all for me .. I canna believe the "spin" these disillusioned "idjits" can put on things .. strange how your deficit goes up when you include such things as wars and pharmacare programs on the "books" .. "mind-numbingly stupid" indeed .. self-descriptor for the win ..

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:08 AM

Or perhaps it takes someone mind-numbingly stupid to think that Obama has been worse than Bush as Bush with his policies and economic agenda of playing 'kick the can' helped drive the American economy into the ditch, and Obama since his arrival, and to this point, has repaired the flat, and driven it out of the ditch, with reduced unemployment, higher private sector jobs numbers, an improved stock market, a rescued auto industry, relief for many homeowners with mortgages, better access to education for many young people, and so much more, all while getting nearly absolutely zero help from the Republicans in both the House and the Senate. Their agenda has been to do everything they can to obstruct and minimize the President's agenda, and the affectiveness of his legislation, while offering nothing credible to get the economy moving, to tackle health care, or the debt, or education, or other important economic and domestic areas, without resorting to vouchers, tax cuts for the already wealthiest top percentage income owners, or by shifting the tax burden onto the middle class even more with across the board cuts. And all that, while somehow forgetting to put two wars, and a prescription plan on the books with a previous Republican President. Oh yeah, it's all Obama's fault.....

Yeah, the U.S. definitely need those guys in charge and not Obama. :rolleyes:

Where do you think Obama derived his low-tax-high-spending policies from? US need a President and Congressman who will use their influence to steer the ship away from fiscal insolvency and exorbitant currency devaluation as that represents a dire problem both for the immediate and future, not perpetuate dangerous fiscal policy for these stupid D/R games that you wilfully, and ignorantly, play into. The level of superficiality displayed in quoted post is why the US cannot get past it's problems.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:14 AM

Where do you think Obama derived his low-tax-high-spending policies from? US need a President and Congressman who will use their influence to steer the ship away from fiscal insolvency and exorbitant currency devaluation as that represents a dire problem both for the immediate and future, not perpetuate dangerous fiscal policy for these stupid D/R games that you wilfully, and ignorantly, play into.


The most dangerous fiscal policies that need to be tackled forthwith are expiring the Bush tax cuts and reducing health care costs.

It's simple:

Romney = extending Bush tax cuts for rich people + has no serious plan for health care costs

Obama = expiring Bush tax cuts for rich people + a health care plan that's been shown to reduce costs for most American families.

That's about it. We can trade barbs all day long, but if you want to sum things up about the choice that American face, this is it, in a nutshell, when it comes to the direction of each candidate towards the economy and fiscal solvency of the American people.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:32 AM

Obama has been worse overall than Clinton, which itself is an accomplishment, and worse than Bush in most areas, particularly on economic and domestic policy matters.

The fact that people can sit there and say Obama is anything other than mediocre points to how mind-numbingly stupid so many people are, but then again, I'll reiterate that Bush got re-elected, so that's likely why no one outside Obama sycophantism is surprised how terrible a President he is yet how many people support such mediocrity.

I'd also gladly lump him and Romney together because at the end of the day they're friends, they both work together at deceiving Americans, limiting their options of who to vote for, and would, piece-by-piece, dismantle constitutional rights in the name of "national security".



It's interesting that you use the phrase "mind-numbingly stupid" and the fact that Bush was re-elected in the same post, because if ever there was a "mind-numbingly stupid" thing to do, that was it.

The scary thing is, a significant number of Americans had to be that stupid......never mind the "greatest country in the world", it's more like the "dumbest country in the world"...
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:42 AM

The most dangerous fiscal policies that need to be tackled forthwith are expiring the Bush tax cuts and reducing health care costs.

It's simple:

Romney = extending Bush tax cuts for rich people + has no serious plan for health care costs

Obama = expiring Bush tax cuts for rich people + a health care plan that's been shown to reduce costs for most American families.

That's about it. We can trade barbs all day long, but if you want to sum things up about the choice that American face, this is it, in a nutshell, when it comes to the direction of each candidate towards the economy and fiscal solvency of the American people.

Along with Republicans, Democrats overwhelmingly voted to extend the Bush tax cuts, and Obama signed it.

Obama promised to end the Bush tax cuts in his 2008 campaign and signs an extension to it -- fail.

Obamacare = not even the faintest any guaranteed reduced costs, in fact, signs point to the opposite:


http://www.forbes.co...ut-to-medicare/

Thus the president’s much-touted benefit means the cost of children’s coverage will go up—dramatically. And now we know by how much: for military families between $175 and $200 a month in the first year.

The law that extended this requirement to the military—which is separate from ObamaCare—didn’t provide any funds for the coverage, according to the Journal article. So the government must charge our men and women in uniform that additional premium.

Premiums will also go up for those with traditional (i.e., non-military) health insurance, though it may be less obvious in employer-based group policies. But that young, healthy, low-income family that buys their own coverage and used to be able to add a child to their policy for a song? Well, they will have to pay more.


People not already licking Obama boots understand this is simply a corporatist piece of legislation that mandates private insurance and the only faintest benefit is helping reduce the terrible private insurance industry's penchant for rejecting coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, however, that could be achieved on it's own without the comprehensive mess and guaranteed half billion+ fiscal liability that is Obamacare. It also could be achieved with universal, which is obviously an impossibility in the US as it stands. At any rate, much like mandated private auto insurance in Ontario, mandated private healthcare obviously means higher premiums, meaning "not addressing the cost of care", it's not surprising you predictably believe something contrary to what historically happens with mandated insurance but the great thing about being an Obama sycophant is you get to ignore reality.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:43 AM

I know that they all, the politicians, flip-flop to some degree, but Romney seems to have had some massive flip-flops on major issues during this campaign.

Meanwhile, it's more important for Obama to get a better congress.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

Along with Republicans, Democrats overwhelmingly voted to extend the Bush tax cuts, and Obama signed it.

Obama promised to end the Bush tax cuts in his 2008 campaign and signs an extension to it -- fail.

Obamacare = not even the faintest any guaranteed reduced costs, in fact, signs point to the opposite:


http://www.forbes.co...ut-to-medicare/


People not already licking Obama boots understand this is simply a corporatist piece of legislation that mandates private insurance and the only faintest benefit is helping reduce the terrible private insurance industry's penchant for rejecting coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, however, that could be achieved on it's own without the comprehensive mess and guaranteed half billion+ fiscal liability that is Obamacare. It also could be achieved with universal, which is obviously an impossibility in the US as it stands. At any rate, much like mandated private auto insurance in Ontario, mandated private healthcare obviously means higher premiums, meaning "not addressing the cost of care", it's not surprising you predictably believe something contrary to what historically happens with mandated insurance but the great thing about being an Obama sycophant is you get to ignore reality.


And you seem to have a sycophantic ignorance to actual reality.

CBO says Obama's health law will reduce deficit


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's health care overhaul will reduce rather than increase the nation's huge federal deficits over the next decade, Congress' nonpartisan budget scorekeepers said Tuesday, supporting Obama's contention in a major election-year dispute with Republicans.

Republicans have insisted that "Obamacare" will actually raise deficits — by "trillions," according to presidential candidate Mitt Romney. But that's not so, the Congressional Budget Office said.

The CBO gave no updated estimate for deficit reductions from the law, approved by Congress and signed by Obama in 2010. But it did estimate that Republican legislation to repeal the overhaul — passed recently by the House — would itself increase the deficit by $109 billion from 2013 to 2022.

"Repealing the (health care law) will lead to an increase in budget deficits over the coming decade, though a smaller one than previously reported," budget office director Douglas Elmendorf said in a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

Tuesday's budget projections were the first since the Supreme Court upheld most of the law last month. The CBO said the law's mix of spending cuts and tax increases would more than offset new spending to cover uninsured people.

As expected, the budget office said the law will cover fewer uninsured people because the Supreme Court ruled that states won't have to sign on to a planned expansion of Medicaid for their low-income residents.

Thirty million uninsured people will be covered by 2022, or about 3 million fewer than projected this spring before the court ruling, the report said.

As a result, taxpayers will save about $84 billion from 2012 to 2022. That brings the total cost of expanding coverage down to $1.2 trillion, from about $1.3 trillion in the previous estimate.

http://www.philly.co...es_deficit.html


Medicare’s ‘Piggy Bank’

Posted on August 24, 2012

Republicans claim the president’s $716 billion “cuts” to Medicare hurt the program’s finances. But the opposite is true. These cuts in the future growth of spending prolong the life of the Medicare trust fund, stretching the program’s finances out longer than they would last otherwise.

Mitt Romney has claimed that President Barack Obama has “robbed” Medicare. Rep. Paul Ryan, Romney’s running mate, said Obama “turned Medicare into a piggy bank to fund Obamacare,” promising to “stop the raid on Medicare.” And the Republican National Committee is promoting on its website a feature it calls “Obama’s Countdown to Medicare’s Bankruptcy,” which lists the days, hours, minutes and seconds left until the Medicare Part A trust fund is exhausted. But there would be even fewer days until the fund’s exhaustion if Obama’s health care law hadn’t included those $700 billion in spending reductions.

It’s true that experts, including Medicare’s chief actuary, doubt that some of those spending cuts will actually be implemented. But if they are, Medicare would spend less each year than it had been expected to otherwise, allowing Medicare to stretch further the income it receives from payroll taxes and premiums.

How a Cut Helps the Medicare Budget

To some voters, it may sound counter-intuitive at first to think that cutting money from Medicare would improve, not weaken, its finances. But, again, this is a reduction in the future growth of Medicare spending over 10 years. And spending less is a good thing for Medicare’s finances — as it is for most people’s.

For instance, let’s say someone has a dedicated coffee budget but decides to drop a daily latte habit and instead buy regular coffee. That person’s coffee budget took a big cut in spending, enabling the budget to last longer. Instead of one month of lattes, this java fan can have two months of coffee.

The biggest savings from the Affordable Care Act come from reductions in the future growth of payments to hospitals — about $415 billion over 10 years. That’s Medicare Part A. Income for Part A comes mainly from payroll taxes. If Medicare doesn’t need to spend that income immediately, it’s credited to Part A’s trust fund, and Medicare gets a Treasury bond that it can cash in later. Anytime Medicare needs to cash in that bond, Treasury must pay it. Even if Treasury spent the original money on something else, it must pay the bond.

So, campaign claims that imply that Obama has taken money out of Medicare, and Medicare won’t ever get it back, are simply not true.

At an Aug. 21 campaign stop in West Chester, Pa., Ryan said Obama and the Democrats “turned Medicare into a piggy bank to fund Obamacare. They took $716 billion from Medicare to pay for their Obamacare program.” On the other hand, he added, Republicans are “being candid with our current seniors” and “saying stop the raid on Medicare.”

Unfortunately for Medicare there isn’t $700 billion in any kind of “piggy bank” to “raid.” The trust fund doesn’t have anywhere near that much money — the Part A trust fund only contained $244.2 billion at the end of 2011. And the president can’t actually take money out of the trust fund. Medicare holds those Treasury bonds, and, as we said, it can cash them in anytime it needs the money.

The problem for Medicare is that the trust fund isn’t going up — it’s declining year after year. Some voters may get the mistaken impression that money they paid in to Medicare will pay their benefits once they retire. But as a practical matter the program functions as a pay-as-you-go system. And current income isn’t enough to pay all current benefits.

Without the spending cuts in the Affordable Care Act, the Part A trust fund was expected to be exhausted in 2016. With the ACA cuts, that date was pushed back to 2024.

That makes the RNC’s bankruptcy clock a bit curious. If the federal health care law hadn’t included those cuts to spending, there would be even less time left on that countdown.

http://www.factcheck...res-piggy-bank/


Edited by Sharpshooter, 16 October 2012 - 01:04 PM.

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