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#1921 Tearloch7

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

George Carlin was, and is, a true treasure .. :)
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

That's great so get on with it. stop blaming other people. The majority need to get moving then. wasting time dragging out cnn clips is pointless what does that solve other than make you feel somehow superior?

I'm all for legalizing pot all for aborting as many babies as possible so not a total right winger.

You apparently have not followed and do not understand how the US legislative process works - it is quite different from Canada.

The problem in the US is that the Republicans control the House and can stall legislation that President Obama puts forward. And even the Republican minority in the Senate can create problems because the Democrats do not have a "super-majority" to force legislation through the Senate

Remember this Republican vow after Obama was elected?

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

And in the Senate:

(VP Joe) Biden says that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any cooperation on many votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said [Senate Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’” Biden says.


The vice president says he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along these lines.

Michael Grunwald's The New New Deal

And just so there was no misunderstanding McConnel publicly stated this:


And as a result Republicans threw up blockades every step along the way since Jan. 21, 2009. From repairing the economy to protecting consumers against predatory financial institutions, from bolstering the nation's clean energy infrastructure to cooperating on the federal budget, Republicans have stood in the way.

As one commentator noted about this strategy:


What they haven't been able to stop outright, they've diluted. All focused on making the president fail. Even past Republican ideas were shot down. It hasn't mattered to them how much damage their strategy caused to the country, to the American people. Everything was focused on undermining Barack Obama. Patriotism, modern GOP style.


And the fruits of their efforts? Barack Obama on the verge of becoming a two-term president.


And the same rhetoric is being pushed again by the intransigent right after this election.

Personally I support a woman's right to choose the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures in consultation with her doctor and no state input or intervention. But there should also be education programs and readily available methods of effective contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

My position is much like that of the largest Protestant Christian Church in Canada - the United Church set out in a letter to Prime Minister Harper June 16, 2010:
  • an emphasis on responsible sexuality
  • a moral responsibility not to bring an unwanted child into the world
  • recognition that there are situations when a woman and her partner may be in extremely difficult circumstances where they must decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy
  • an emphasis on the decision to end a pregnancy being made thoughtfully by a woman in consultation with her doctor
  • a call for adequate counseling, support, and services to be provided by medical facilities and social services for all processes related to conception and childbirth, including abortion
  • a call for thorough education regarding responsible sexuality and conception
http://www.united-church.ca/files/communications/news/general/100623_letter.pdf
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

You apparently have not followed and do not understand how the US legislative process works - it is quite different from Canada.

The problem in the US is that the Republicans control the House and can stall legislation that President Obama puts forward. And even the Republican minority in the Senate can create problems because the Democrats do not have a "super-majority" to force legislation through the Senate

Remember this Republican vow after Obama was elected?

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

And in the Senate:

(VP Joe) Biden says that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any cooperation on many votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said [Senate Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’” Biden says.


The vice president says he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along these lines.

Michael Grunwald's The New New Deal

And just so there was no misunderstanding McConnel publicly stated this:


And as a result Republicans threw up blockades every step along the way since Jan. 21, 2009. From repairing the economy to protecting consumers against predatory financial institutions, from bolstering the nation's clean energy infrastructure to cooperating on the federal budget, Republicans have stood in the way.

As one commentator noted about this strategy:



What they haven't been able to stop outright, they've diluted. All focused on making the president fail. Even past Republican ideas were shot down. It hasn't mattered to them how much damage their strategy caused to the country, to the American people. Everything was focused on undermining Barack Obama. Patriotism, modern GOP style.


And the fruits of their efforts? Barack Obama on the verge of becoming a two-term president.


And the same rhetoric is being pushed again by the intransigent right after this election.

Personally I support a woman's right to choose the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures in consultation with her doctor and no state input or intervention. But there should also be education programs and readily available methods of effective contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

My position is much like that of the largest Protestant Christian Church in Canada - the United Church set out in a letter to Prime Minister Harper June 16, 2010:
  • an emphasis on responsible sexuality
  • a moral responsibility not to bring an unwanted child into the world
  • recognition that there are situations when a woman and her partner may be in extremely difficult circumstances where they must decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy
  • an emphasis on the decision to end a pregnancy being made thoughtfully by a woman in consultation with her doctor
  • a call for adequate counseling, support, and services to be provided by medical facilities and social services for all processes related to conception and childbirth, including abortion
  • a call for thorough education regarding responsible sexuality and conception
http://www.united-ch...0623_letter.pdf



Great read and perspective Wet .. thanks for sharing ..
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

As long as Republican candidates talk about rape in this fashion they are going to remain in the "demographic cul-de-sac" into which they have driven their out-of-date vehice.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

As long as Republican candidates talk about rape in this fashion they are going to remain in the "demographic cul-de-sac" into which they have driven their out-of-date vehice.


Quick questions.... a bit off topic...

From checking history, it always seems that throughout US history, it's been mostly Democrats who were the racist, bigot and subjugating ones.... with the Republican (somewhat ironic by present standards) the one promoting basic rights. How did the two parties go 180 on their policies and voting base?
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

You apparently have not followed and do not understand how the US legislative process works - it is quite different from Canada.

The problem in the US is that the Republicans control the House and can stall legislation that President Obama puts forward. And even the Republican minority in the Senate can create problems because the Democrats do not have a "super-majority" to force legislation through the Senate

Remember this Republican vow after Obama was elected?

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

And in the Senate:

(VP Joe) Biden says that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any cooperation on many votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said [Senate Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’” Biden says.


The vice president says he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along these lines.

Michael Grunwald's The New New Deal

And just so there was no misunderstanding McConnel publicly stated this:


And as a result Republicans threw up blockades every step along the way since Jan. 21, 2009. From repairing the economy to protecting consumers against predatory financial institutions, from bolstering the nation's clean energy infrastructure to cooperating on the federal budget, Republicans have stood in the way.

As one commentator noted about this strategy:



What they haven't been able to stop outright, they've diluted. All focused on making the president fail. Even past Republican ideas were shot down. It hasn't mattered to them how much damage their strategy caused to the country, to the American people. Everything was focused on undermining Barack Obama. Patriotism, modern GOP style.


And the fruits of their efforts? Barack Obama on the verge of becoming a two-term president.


And the same rhetoric is being pushed again by the intransigent right after this election.

Personally I support a woman's right to choose the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures in consultation with her doctor and no state input or intervention. But there should also be education programs and readily available methods of effective contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

My position is much like that of the largest Protestant Christian Church in Canada - the United Church set out in a letter to Prime Minister Harper June 16, 2010:
  • an emphasis on responsible sexuality
  • a moral responsibility not to bring an unwanted child into the world
  • recognition that there are situations when a woman and her partner may be in extremely difficult circumstances where they must decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy
  • an emphasis on the decision to end a pregnancy being made thoughtfully by a woman in consultation with her doctor
  • a call for adequate counseling, support, and services to be provided by medical facilities and social services for all processes related to conception and childbirth, including abortion
  • a call for thorough education regarding responsible sexuality and conception
http://www.united-ch...0623_letter.pdf



No different from what Democrats do in same circumstances.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

No different from what Democrats do in same circumstances.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:53 AM

Quick questions.... a bit off topic...

From checking history, it always seems that throughout US history, it's been mostly Democrats who were the racist, bigot and subjugating ones.... with the Republican (somewhat ironic by present standards) the one promoting basic rights. How did the two parties go 180 on their policies and voting base?


yes, republican was the party of Lincoln. And blue used to be republican. Things changed obviously, not sure when.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:35 AM

No different from what Democrats do in same circumstances.

Actually not.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:57 AM

yes, republican was the party of Lincoln. And blue used to be republican. Things changed obviously, not sure when.


Google "Dixiecrat's" .. giving the black race the vote turned southern Democrats aka "racists" against the Democratic Party so they took over the GOP .. the gist of the matter, as I remember .. allowing the black man AND women to vote in the same century was a bit tooo much for 'dem good ole' boys to handle I guess ...
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:46 PM

As long as Republican candidates talk about rape in this fashion they are going to remain in the "demographic cul-de-sac" into which they have driven their out-of-date vehice.


All of those comments are abysmally stupid, but the one that really hits bonehead trifecta IMO, is the comment by Roger Rivard on how some girls seem to "rape easily".

Too stupid for words....

BTW: I saw a story on the woman who worked for KBR. I honestly can't believe that it's legal for employers to include such a clause in contracts.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

Well it seems the Republicans have learned their lesson on how to combat the Democrats in future elections... go further to the right. :picard:


Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment


Angry tea party activists say Mitt Romney was too moderate and the GOP undermined 'true conservative' candidates.



Mitt Romney's loss to President Obama on Tuesday unleashed predictable angst and debate in a Republican Party that must now decide how to attract a more diverse electorate.


But for conservatives who identify with the tea party, one emotion seemed to dominate all others: a white-hot anger at the Republican establishment. Tea party supporters are angry at the GOP for embracing as its presidential nominee a "moderate" like Romney. For undermining "true conservative" candidates. And for "choosing to ignore" the conservative agenda.


Wednesday, the political direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie gathered a group of disenchanted conservatives for a news conference in Washington. Calling Romney's loss "the death rattle" of the GOP, Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, said, "The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today."


He called upon the Republican leadership to resign for its part in the "epic election failure of 2012." That includes Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who has not announced whether he will run for the post again, House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.


But he didn't stop there.


"In any logical universe," Viguerie said, "establishment Republican consultants such as Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie and Romney campaign senior advisors Stuart Stevens and Neil Newhouse would never be hired to run or consult on a national campaign again and no one would give a dime to their ineffective 'super PACs.'"


Rove is a pioneer in the formation of the outside groups that raised more than $1 billion for the election. Gillespie, a Romney strategist, worked with Rove in the George W. Bush White House. Newhouse is the Romney pollster who famously said last summer, "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."


Viguerie's attack didn't sit well with many mainline Republicans, who blamed conservative "purists" and the tea party wing of the party for squandering the GOP's chance to regain control of the Senate.


Friday, for instance, conservative columnist Michael Barone told an audience at Hillsdale College's center in Washington that the tea party, while bringing some talented politicians to the fore, also brought some "wackos and weirdos and witches."


In a video of his comments, posted on the Daily Caller website, he singled out the GOP's losing Senate candidates in Missouri and Indiana — Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock — who he said committed "unforced errors" with their remarks against abortion cases of rape. "Don't nominate dogs, OK?," he said.


Tuesday's Senate results were like the replay of a bad dream for many conservatives. Two years ago, when the tea party swept scores of new members into Congress, many believed that flawed tea party candidates cost Republicans an opportunity to also seize control of the Senate. Christine O'Donnell in Delaware (who denied she was a witch in a TV spot) and Sharron Angle in Nevada lost Senate races that might have been won by more moderate Republicans.


Still, most of the 55 House tea party caucus members who ran for reelection Tuesday will return to their seats, guaranteeing that the group's influence will continue to be felt in Congress. Two high-profile members were turned out of office — Allen West of Florida and Joe Walsh of Illinois. But tea party caucus founder Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota kept her job, if barely.


The widely syndicated conservative radio host Mark Levin, a hero to many in the tea party movement, could barely contain his rage at the establishment after the election results were in.


"The very people who keep nominating moderates now call us purists, the way the left calls us purists," Levin said Wednesday. "And we have to hear this crap from pseudo-conservatives and Republicans."


At Viguerie's news conference, Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots, one of the country's largest tea party groups, said conservatives had wanted a candidate like President Reagan. "What we got was a weak moderate candidate handpicked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party. The presidential loss is unequivocally on them," she said.


A day later, home in Atlanta, Martin said that the Tea Party Patriots planned to gather for their quarterly meeting next weekend in Washington to "discuss and debate and create a plan" for the 2014 midterm elections and beyond.


Boehner obliquely addressed the critiques Friday at his regular news conference. He said he was proud that Republicans were able to hold on to a majority of House seats, though he added, "It's clear that as a political party, we've got some work to do."


Some tea party activists, stunned by their losses, were not sure how to move forward.


Cincinnati Tea Party President George Brunemann, an engineer, was still reeling Thursday from an election night that also saw Ohio's Republican U.S. Senate candidate, Josh Mandel, lose to Democratic incumbent Sherrod Brown.


"I have been trying to come to terms with what the heck is going on," Brunemann said. "The easy two-word answer for what happened Tuesday is: America died."


But he also said there was another casualty: "The words 'tea party' are dead. No doubt about that."


Although the small-government, fiscal-responsibility principles of the tea party will never go out of style, he said, critics of the movement had been successful in tarnishing it as racist.


And the movement got no support from the top during the campaign, he said.


"You never heard a single utterance of the words 'tea party' from Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan," Brunemann said. "I believe the downfall of the Republicans this time was that they never gave credit to the tea party."


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:29 PM

I'm sure the Dems would just love to see a further shift to the right on the part of the Republican party. It would virtually guarantee their presence in the White House for decades to come.

meanwhile, the GOP could go the way of the Whigs and the Prohibition parties...
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:39 PM

A lot of the people who are in the middle (moderates) were swayed by Fox News. And I mean swayed to the left. Their views were so over the top, that it scared people away from the Republican party.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:47 PM

The Tea Party should just break off from the Republican Party.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

The Tea Party should just break off from the Republican Party.


The tea party should just break off a piece of an iceberg and float away to find New America.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:59 PM

The Tea Party should just break off from the Republican Party.

The Reform Party tried that experiment by splitting from the Progressive Conservatives and it guaranteed victory for the Liberals until the two factions merged again in steps and became the the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance in 2000 under the leadership of Stockwell Day.

The merger was completed in 2003 and became Conservative Party under the leadership of Stephen Harper who has gradually rebuilt party and achieved a majority.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

Quick questions.... a bit off topic...

From checking history, it always seems that throughout US history, it's been mostly Democrats who were the racist, bigot and subjugating ones.... with the Republican (somewhat ironic by present standards) the one promoting basic rights. How did the two parties go 180 on their policies and voting base?


I believe it was President Theodore "teddy" Roosevelt , and then his son , President Franklin delano Roosevelt who helped turn the democrats around .
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

I believe it was President Theodore "teddy" Roosevelt , and then his son , President Franklin delano Roosevelt who helped turn the democrats around .


Teddy Roosevelt was a republican, and FDR was his distant cousin, not his son.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

Teddy Roosevelt was a republican, and FDR was his distant cousin, not his son.


Thanks , brain not working to good this morning

FDR was one of the best presidents the US has ever had , as far as i am concerned .

Teddy Roosevelt

In 1901, President William McKinley was assassinated and Roosevelt became President at the age of 42; he remains the youngest president.[5] Roosevelt attempted to move the Republican Party (GOP) toward Progressivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. In 1904 Roosevelt was elected to a full term of his own, becoming the first person elevated from the Vice-Presidency to do so,[6] as well as winning the largest percentage of the popular vote since the uncontested election of 1820. Roosevelt coined the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his domestic agenda, emphasizing that the average citizen would get a fair share under his policies. As an outdoorsman and naturalist, he promoted the conservation movement. On the world stage, Roosevelt's policies were characterized by his slogan, "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Roosevelt was the force behind the completion of the Panama Canal; sent the Great White Fleet on a world tour to demonstrate American power; and negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War, for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize.[7]
At the end of his second term, Roosevelt promoted his friend William Howard Taft for the 1908 Republican nomination. He toured Africa and Europe. On his return in 1910 he broke bitterly with President Taft on issues of progressivism and personalities. In the 1912 election Roosevelt tried and failed to block Taft's renomination. He launched the Bull Moose Party that called for far-reaching progressive reforms. He lost to Democrat Woodrow Wilson, as the Taft conservatives gained control of the Republican party for decades to come. Roosevelt led a major expedition to the Amazon jungles but contracted diseases which ruined his health. He died relatively young at the age of 60. Roosevelt has consistently been ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. Presidents, having revived a declining presidency

Should have been a democrat

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 11 November 2012 - 02:27 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

The Reform Party tried that experiment by splitting from the Progressive Conservatives and it guaranteed victory for the Liberals until the two factions merged again in steps and became the the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance in 2000 under the leadership of Stockwell Day.

The merger was completed in 2003 and became Conservative Party under the leadership of Stephen Harper who has gradually rebuilt party and achieved a majority.


That's the whole idea isn't it?
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:18 PM

Dead candidates win elections in Florida, Alabama
By Barbara Liston and Verna Gates | Reuters – Thu, Nov 8, 2012

(Reuters) - Florida Democrat Earl K. Wood and Alabama Republican Charles Beasley won their respective elections but they will not take office.
Both men died weeks before the November 6 election yet managed to beat their very much alive opponents by comfortable margins.
Wood died on October 15 from natural causes at age 96, during his campaign for a 12th term as Orange County Tax Collector in Orlando, Florida.
Criticized for rarely coming into the office while collecting a $150,000 salary and $90,000 pension, Wood initially announced he would step down, only to change his mind when a longtime political foe made plans to seek the seat.
Wood's wide name recognition after almost half a century in office scared off several serious contenders. His name remained on the ballot and he took 56 percent of the votes to 44 percent for a Republican who promised to eliminate the office altogether if elected.
Beasley, 77, died on October 12, possibly due to an aneurysm, while trying to reclaim his old seat on the Bibb County Commission in central Alabama.
Beasley's name also remained on the ballot and he won about 52 percent of the vote. His Democratic opponent, incumbent Commissioner Walter Sansing, took the loss especially hard.
"It is a touchy situation. When you are running against a dead man, you are limited as to what you can say," Sansing told Reuters.
He blamed people voting straight Republican tickets for his loss.
In Orlando, Scott Randolph, an outgoing Democratic state legislator and state party activist, was selected by his party to receive votes cast for Wood and he will assume the office. In Alabama, the governor will appoint a new commissioner with input from local Republicans.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

The Reform Party tried that experiment by splitting from the Progressive Conservatives and it guaranteed victory for the Liberals until the two factions merged again in steps and became the the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance in 2000 under the leadership of Stockwell Day.

The merger was completed in 2003 and became Conservative Party under the leadership of Stephen Harper who has gradually rebuilt party and achieved a majority.

I'm aware of that, but if you have a very apparent split in your party as the current GOP has, you're not going to win, anyways.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:50 PM

Thanks , brain not working to good this morning

FDR was one of the best presidents the US has ever had , as far as i am concerned .

Teddy Roosevelt

In 1901, President William McKinley was assassinated and Roosevelt became President at the age of 42; he remains the youngest president.[5] Roosevelt attempted to move the Republican Party (GOP) toward Progressivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. In 1904 Roosevelt was elected to a full term of his own, becoming the first person elevated from the Vice-Presidency to do so,[6] as well as winning the largest percentage of the popular vote since the uncontested election of 1820. Roosevelt coined the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his domestic agenda, emphasizing that the average citizen would get a fair share under his policies. As an outdoorsman and naturalist, he promoted the conservation movement. On the world stage, Roosevelt's policies were characterized by his slogan, "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Roosevelt was the force behind the completion of the Panama Canal; sent the Great White Fleet on a world tour to demonstrate American power; and negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War, for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize.[7]
At the end of his second term, Roosevelt promoted his friend William Howard Taft for the 1908 Republican nomination. He toured Africa and Europe. On his return in 1910 he broke bitterly with President Taft on issues of progressivism and personalities. In the 1912 election Roosevelt tried and failed to block Taft's renomination. He launched the Bull Moose Party that called for far-reaching progressive reforms. He lost to Democrat Woodrow Wilson, as the Taft conservatives gained control of the Republican party for decades to come. Roosevelt led a major expedition to the Amazon jungles but contracted diseases which ruined his health. He died relatively young at the age of 60. Roosevelt has consistently been ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. Presidents, having revived a declining presidency

Should have been a democrat


How about J.F.K? He was one of the most popular US presidents and was really influential.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:08 AM

How about J.F.K? He was one of the most popular US presidents and was really influential.

FDR gets most of the attention due to his highly marketed policies (by those who believe him to be the messiah of progressive liberal politics), it's about as surprising as seeing a page of posts just following a Batman film with almost half of the avatars of Joker or Bane.

I'm aware of that, but if you have a very apparent split in your party as the current GOP has, you're not going to win, anyways.

That's right.. there needs to be voices for the very distinctly different regions of the US, a sprouting if you will of different parties rather than the joke D/R ones. The Republican party platform doesn't really address the constructionist, or libertarian, or excessively evangelistic, or anti-government wings. Just like the Democrat party doesn't address the socialist, green, anti-war/pacifist, anti-corporate/anti-capitalist/anti-globalisation wings. People have obviously individual beliefs but they get usurped by these silly cult/party votes.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:12 PM

How about J.F.K? He was one of the most popular US presidents and was really influential.


While JFK was a popular president whose achievments included , creating the Peace Corps, saw the first American sent to space, and gave residents of the District of Columbia the right to vote in Presidential elections. During the Cuban Missile Crisis his cabinet wanted to use nuclear weapons, the generals wanted to use nuclear weapons, and Kennedy refused to listen and brokered peace, averting nuclear war.
But he was a morally flawed man , and i believe that this must be taken into account when you measure the man .
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

FDR gets most of the attention due to his highly marketed policies (by those who believe him to be the messiah of progressive liberal politics), it's about as surprising as seeing a page of posts just following a Batman film with almost half of the avatars of Joker or Bane.


That's right.. there needs to be voices for the very distinctly different regions of the US, a sprouting if you will of different parties rather than the joke D/R ones. The Republican party platform doesn't really address the constructionist, or libertarian, or excessively evangelistic, or anti-government wings. Just like the Democrat party doesn't address the socialist, green, anti-war/pacifist, anti-corporate/anti-capitalist/anti-globalisation wings. People have obviously individual beliefs but they get usurped by these silly cult/party votes.



Beloved by Democrats and Independents, demonized by Republicans, FDR is nonetheless the only President to be elected to more than two terms, and saw the country through the Great Depression while deciding it was better to intervene and keep tens of thousands, or even millions, from starving to death rather than let the markets that caused the Depression simply "take their course." FDR founded the TVA, helping to bring the South (still being punished for the Civil War) into the 20th century, created Social Security to prevent severe or life threatening poverty among the elderly, and had the first form of welfare - one in which people worked to build roads and national parks to earn money.

FDR's WPA program, in fact, employed some 3.3 million people who were set to work on tasks that gave America lasting improvements. In 8 years the WPA built 40,000 buildings, 8,000 schools, built or improved 650,000 miles of roads, 124,000 bridges, 8,000 parks, 18,000 playgrounds, and over 2,000 swimming pools. This program was later referred to by President Ronald Regan as one of the best and most successful government social programs in history. Oh, yeah, they also built New York's La Guardia Airport.

He also repealed Prohibition, and brought America's industrial strength to full force before entering World War II and becoming a world power.
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"These are the things to keep in mind. These are not just academic exercises. We're not analyzing the media on Mars or in the eighteenth century or something like that. We're dealing with real human beings who are suffering and dying and being tortured and starving because of policies that we are involved in, we as citizens of democratic societies are directly involved in and are responsible for, and what the media are doing is ensuring that we do not act on our responsibilities, and that the interests of power are served, not the needs of the suffering people, and not even the needs of the American people who would be horrified if they realized the blood that's dripping from their hands because of the way they are allowing themselves to be deluded and manipulated by the system."
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

Beloved by Democrats and Independents, demonized by Republicans, FDR is nonetheless the only President to be elected to more than two terms, and saw the country through the Great Depression while deciding it was better to intervene and keep tens of thousands, or even millions, from starving to death rather than let the markets that caused the Depression simply "take their course." FDR founded the TVA, helping to bring the South (still being punished for the Civil War) into the 20th century, created Social Security to prevent severe or life threatening poverty among the elderly, and had the first form of welfare - one in which people worked to build roads and national parks to earn money.

FDR's WPA program, in fact, employed some 3.3 million people who were set to work on tasks that gave America lasting improvements. In 8 years the WPA built 40,000 buildings, 8,000 schools, built or improved 650,000 miles of roads, 124,000 bridges, 8,000 parks, 18,000 playgrounds, and over 2,000 swimming pools. This program was later referred to by President Ronald Regan as one of the best and most successful government social programs in history. Oh, yeah, they also built New York's La Guardia Airport.

He also repealed Prohibition, and brought America's industrial strength to full force before entering World War II and becoming a world power.


Reminds me of the scene from Life of Brian:

"Well, the roads go without saying, but besides all of that, what has he ever done for us?"
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:51 PM

Reminds me of the scene from Life of Brian:

"Well, the roads go without saying, but besides all of that, what has he ever done for us?"


Ta da:



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