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#31 oldnews

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:27 PM

Seems like he was just being careful not to put any backfire on Gillis, whatever the reasons, Cody kept it in house.



Pahlsson was garbage in the playoffs, the plan sounded right but yet again we lacked scoring. He could have been acquired regardless of trading Cody or not if they really felt he was a liability. So what if he's sub par defensively, plenty of great players are, not like a rookie can improve on something right?

Lacked grit?? i don't recall him taking repeated punches from anyone half his size like others on this team, Kassian didn't exactly make us bad to the bone in Keith's nor LA's eyes. Cody is a skilled player, it's his job to score and make plays, something he was damn good at doing. The lack of respect for veterans?? I haven't heard anything from his mouth nor his teammates to suggest that, all just Gillis' implying it. Shredder nor any of our other center prospects are on an NHL level like Cody, he is far more proven than any of them and Kassian combined.

I'm not arguing the trade, i was pretty stoked when it happened. It's just stupid to see everyone turn on a promising rookie because our Manager didn't like him and slandered his name. All because he couldn't handle the scrutiny of making a dumb trade after telling us he is capable of making tough calls. What a joke.


You obviously missed a great deal of the context leading up to the trade. There are plenty of threads you can read to fill yourself in. You may want to start with the ice-time controversy, or his agent's letter in response to PITB blog.

Pahlsson played well here - people who claim otherwise weren't paying much attention - the third line was the best line in his time here.
Give "Shredder" a chance.
I'd take my chances with Gaunce's future over Hodgson's any day. Hodgson is about as proven as any other guy who has scored 40 points in his NHL career... as proven as his upside is, equally proven is his inability to play in his own end.

Edited by oldnews, 28 August 2012 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:30 PM

I find that everyone here who calls coho a whiny little bitch are the same people who say fire AV.
So what would you rather do fire AV or trade coho because AV was not playing him at all when you give for a game you love all your life you don't want to ride pine you want to play. I guess the moral is here at CDC it does not matter what you say you will be flamed.

Well flame away


Ok - your post doesn't make sense. The people who think Coho complained too much also want to see AV fired? Does not follow. In fact the opposite would make more sense - AV supporters think Coho is a whiner, Coho lovers want AV fired...


If ever a thread should be locked for redundancy, anything regarding Hodgson has been seriously over-killed.

Edited by oldnews, 28 August 2012 - 09:38 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:34 PM

Co-who?
I think WE CHANGED the spelling of the #9 jersey to KASSIAN!

Edited by rawkdrummer, 28 August 2012 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:34 PM

You obviously missed a great deal of the context leading up to the trade. There are plenty of threads you can read to fill yourself in. You may want to start with the ice-time controversy, or his agent's letter in response to PITB blog.


I'm not going to crucify anyone for competing for ice time, nor how their manager acts. Again, nothing disrespectful has been said publicly, nor proven to come directly from Cody. This whole BS hatred seems to have started by too many people reading and believing that context.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:36 PM

i still cry if i think about cody too close to bedtime


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

CDC really needed another one of these threads.

The Canucks had and still have more depth at center than they did and do at right wing - and happened to land a premier young power forward /right winger at the position they have the least depth - Gillis got better than appropriate value.

The rest of your post is also denial.

Pahlsson was an upgrade, and Schroeder will more than fill the third line role (if the Canucks don't add another center in a Luongo deal) now that the slow, defensively challenged, rookie who lacked grit and respect for the veterans on his club, got what he wanted and was shipped back east. The Canucks just drafted another two promising young centers as well (as did Buffalo, who were still looking for the "right centerman" after Hodgson disappointed, so, who are we missing here?


Sounds like you're in denial.

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:46 PM

You obviously missed a great deal of the context leading up to the trade. There are plenty of threads you can read to fill yourself in. You may want to start with the ice-time controversy, or his agent's letter in response to PITB blog.

Pahlsson played well here - people who claim otherwise weren't paying much attention - the third line was the best line in his time here.
Give "Shredder" a chance.
I'd take my chances with Gaunce's future over Hodgson's any day. Hodgson is about as proven as any other guy who has scored 40 points in his NHL career... as proven as his upside is, equally proven is his inability to play in his own end.


Oh that's a laugh

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:47 PM

I'm not going to crucify anyone for competing for ice time, nor how their manager acts. Again, nothing disrespectful has been said publicly, nor proven to come directly from Cody. This whole BS hatred seems to have started by too many people reading and believing that context.


Everyone "competes" for ice-time - very few players start an ice-time controversy. You can pretend that a player can be separated from what their agent does, but that is forgetting that their agent represents them. How convenient to then turn around and pretend that he was a victim in the whole process. Nonsense.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:47 PM

Sounds like you're in denial.


Your point is...?

I am in denial - this thread is a serious waste of time.

Edited by oldnews, 28 August 2012 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:24 PM

Pahlsson played well here - people who claim otherwise weren't paying much attention - the third line was the best line in his time here.
Hodgson is about as proven as any other guy who has scored 40 points in his NHL career... as proven as his upside is, equally proven is his inability to play in his own end.


You write excellent posts,oldnews,for the most part.

Two - fourth rounders for a guy that puts up two goals and you believe he ranks as the best third liner in Canucks history -this guy that bolted as fast as possible from the team at the end of his 19 game body of work.
You should have fully clarified that Hodgson is as proven as any other ROOKIE that scored 19 goals and 41 points in his first year in the league and that his defensive game will most likely be improved with his time spent in the league going forward.

I want to see a tribute to Gillis.The one where Roberts gets to pay him tribute and we see Gillis telling AV he did not mean what he said and then Gillis telling the media Kassian is NHL ready right now and then throwing his first ever draft pick under the bus when the heat got too hot.
That should be followed by every interview where Hodgson spoke positively about the team,the organisation and his time here.
Maybe we could get the agent to clarify the relationship between Mike and himself and then have Mr Hodgson Sr. clarify just whom said what for which purposes in the wrap up.
Yeah,that is the video I am waiting to see.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:29 PM

Everyone "competes" for ice-time - very few players start an ice-time controversy. You can pretend that a player can be separated from what their agent does, but that is forgetting that their agent represents them. How convenient to then turn around and pretend that he was a victim in the whole process. Nonsense.

Come on.Get real.
Former Canucks coach Marc Crawford stated repeatedly that the Sedins routinely enquired about their own ice time -it was and is a normal part of ongoing dialogue between players,their reps and management.
If there was any controversy it was manufactured.Multi billion dollar entities can do that.
What are you talking about with this victim stuff-you seem to be creating your own storyline.
What you are neglecting to suggest is that Gillis was a successful agent and as said agent had a history of relationships with other agents.I am guessing he was not in line for best liked amongst his peers.
Anybody that blames another is deflecting .It was not Cody that was deflecting.
Go back and cue the Gary Roberts quotes as you are still somewhat confused or in denial of your own.

Edited by nuck nit, 28 August 2012 - 10:46 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:44 PM

Ok,I waited an hour so I will post up the quotes:

At his end of the year press conference, Mike Gillis took a few parting shots at Cody Hodgson, saying:

"I spent more time on Cody's issues than every other player combined on our team the last three years."

So Gary Roberts..a friend and trainer of Hodgson decided to step up to the plate so to speak, and give a rebuttal.

"I listened to Mike Gillis the other day," Roberts said by phone over the weekend, "and my impression was, 'Are you kidding me?'

"If anybody knew this kid, this young man, to know what he went through mentally and physically for two summers trying to find out what the heck was wrong with him -- of course they dealt with his issues more than anybody else in the organization because he was injured and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.
"It almost was like they thought he didn't want to work. Well, I can tell you that this kid out of all the kids that I train, he's up there in the [Steven] Stamkos group as far as commitment and determination. What I tell him, he does, so I know he's coachable and I love working with him."
"I talked to Cody after this came out with Gillis," Roberts said. "I know he's on vacation, and I said, 'Hey, I know you went through a lot of stress. How are you feeling about some of those comments?' He said, 'Gary, I've dealt with a lot of stuff there in the last three years, and I'm just going to take the high road.'
"For me, I'd like to be the guy that looks at Mike Gillis and says, 'You're a moron.' It doesn't really do anybody any good other than the fact that Mike Gillis looks like, as they say on TSN, a dud."

http://www.nucksmisc...ack-for-hodgson



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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:12 PM

I was so excited when we drafted him. Such a shame things turned out the way they did. I sure hope Kassian can turn into the player we're all hoping he can.
You are.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:58 PM

Two - fourth rounders for a guy that puts up two goals and you believe he ranks as the best third liner in Canucks history -this guy that bolted as fast as possible from the team at the end of his 19 game body of work.


You're being a bit unfair here and are over-exaggerating, nuck. oldnews was very clear in what he said about Pahlsson "...in his time here." That's a big difference from what you claim oldnews said.

It was pretty obvious that Pahlsson was a rental, however, I too would have liked a bit more of a return out of that deal than what the team got.


You should have fully clarified that Hodgson is as proven as any other ROOKIE that scored 19 goals and 41 points in his first year in the league and that his defensive game will most likely be improved with his time spent in the league going forward.


To be frank, Hodgson had better improve in his defensive game, and while he's at it there's a couple of other areas for him to work on, because should he have a downturn in his offensive game he doesn't have a lot of other things on which to fall back.

He isn't great in the face-off circle. He isn't blessed with a lot of foot speed (he's not slow, but he sure as heck ain't fast). He is still pushed off the puck by opposing players. Raymond's speed and checking ability, along with his (former) scoring potential, would give any team more reason to sign him over Hodgson, should Hodgson lose his offensive game.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:01 AM


I liked Hodgson, but were we going to win with him taking bruisers like this?
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:06 AM

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:11 AM

3 minute highlight video almost captures every good moment of his career...
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:19 AM

You obviously missed a great deal of the context leading up to the trade. There are plenty of threads you can read to fill yourself in. You may want to start with the ice-time controversy, or his agent's letter in response to PITB blog.

Pahlsson played well here - people who claim otherwise weren't paying much attention - the third line was the best line in his time here.
Give "Shredder" a chance.
I'd take my chances with Gaunce's future over Hodgson's any day. Hodgson is about as proven as any other guy who has scored 40 points in his NHL career... as proven as his upside is, equally proven is his inability to play in his own end.


Pahlsson was not the anchor for the 3rd line, Higgins and Hansen make the 3rd line work. Put anyone in between Higgins and Hansen and you have a solid 3rd line. Ask Lapierre and Hodgson. And besides, the PhD line was dismantled after Game 1 of the playoffs as the main anchor, Higgins, was moved to the 2nd line.

To be frank, Hodgson had better improve in his defensive game, and while he's at it there's a couple of other areas for him to work on, because should he have a downturn in his offensive game he doesn't have a lot of other things on which to fall back.

He isn't great in the face-off circle. He isn't blessed with a lot of foot speed (he's not slow, but he sure as heck ain't fast). He is still pushed off the puck by opposing players. Raymond's speed and checking ability, along with his (former) scoring potential, would give any team more reason to sign him over Hodgson, should Hodgson lose his offensive game.

regards,
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You know who else wasn't that great in the faceoff circle at the start of the year? Adam Henrique. But luckily, the NJD brass are patient with their rookies and Henrique was given lots of one on one time to work with Hall of Famer Adam Oates on his faceoffs skills. By the time playoffs came around, Henrique became one of the go-to faceoff choices for NJD.

Unfortunately, the Canuck brass seems to only care about winning President's Trophies and not willing to experiment or give players an opportunity to fail and learn from their mistakes.

And I too don't buy the "whiny brat Cody Hodgson" MG makes him out to be. He always speaks with class and positive energy while never throwing anyone under the bus. He seems to be the type of player willing to take the fall for this team. His teammates see great potential in him and have nothing but good things to say about him. I think I remember reading how some of the Canuck players played a joke on Hodgson by taping a "C" to his jersey the day before he got traded.

Edited by Raph, 29 August 2012 - 12:26 AM.

Untouchables: Tanev, Jensen, Kassian
Mostly untouchable: Sedins (need someone to man the fort and no trade value)
Open to trade: Everyone else
Drive to airport: Bieksa, Edler

Bring back: Ehrhoff

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:07 AM

You mean the un-wanted-whiney-bitch canuck, get over it hes gone, got traded, and did poorly on a crappy team as to be expected.


Did you just describe Ryan Kesler? I think you missed the diving part though.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:46 AM

Make one of Sami salo!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:27 AM

Seems like he was just being careful not to put any backfire on Gillis, whatever the reasons, Cody kept it in house.



Pahlsson was garbage in the playoffs, the plan sounded right but yet again we lacked scoring. He could have been acquired regardless of trading Cody or not if they really felt he was a liability. So what if he's sub par defensively, plenty of great players are, not like a rookie can improve on something right?

Lacked grit?? i don't recall him taking repeated punches from anyone half his size like others on this team, Kassian didn't exactly make us bad to the bone in Keith's nor LA's eyes. Cody is a skilled player, it's his job to score and make plays, something he was damn good at doing. The lack of respect for veterans?? I haven't heard anything from his mouth nor his teammates to suggest that, all just Gillis' implying it. Shredder nor any of our other center prospects are on an NHL level like Cody, he is far more proven than any of them and Kassian combined.

I'm not arguing the trade, i was pretty stoked when it happened. It's just stupid to see everyone turn on a promising rookie because our Manager didn't like him and slandered his name. All because he couldn't handle the scrutiny of making a dumb trade after telling us he is capable of making tough calls. What a joke.


I agree with most of this.

Hodgson like it or not was and would have been good in this team. Instances like the Boston goal evidence that.
No he was not the quickest, and seemed to lack a bit of stamina but he had a very good hockey brain and was unbelievably good at retaining and stealing the puck. Above all he was young and still learning. Having said all that does anyone really doubt that Hodgson caused his own departure.

If he wanted to go East.........that was up to him. If he wanted to get more TOI and made it an ultimatum, that was up to him. I would never doubt that the Canucks would have done everything in their power to keep him here. However, nobody, especially not a rookie can DEMAND more time on the ice. If he could not accept that he was badly advised.

We have to move on. Personally, I wish him all the best. I do think he will find it hard in a less talented team, but if he is made of the right stuff it will make am man out of him.

Edited by Bodee, 29 August 2012 - 02:53 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:36 AM

What was thd name of that centre Burke/nonis brought in from Europe that was supposed to be amazing and turned out to be a plug? I totally forgot his name.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:45 AM

"However, nobody, especially not a rookie can DEMAND more time on the ice." Bodee

Not sure where you are picking this out of thin air from.

Would you please support your statement with facts-as in DEMANDING ice time?

Thanks.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:05 AM

When back in Canada I listen to the Team every day and NW SportsTalk at night.
When Cody was traded Marc Crawford who did or does a regular gig on the Team was asked about the scenario where Cody or his 'camp' asked for more ice time.
Crawford said it was completely normal and the Sedins would enquire over their ice time regularly when he was the coach here.
I looked it up on the web to have some support of this conversation Crawford spoke about on the Hodgson 'ice time issue':
March 06,2012
Marc Crawford was on the TEAM 1040 recently and he mentioned that the Sedins and their agent had multiple meetings about ice-time during their rookie season.
http://vansunsportsb...th-the-canucks/

How do Canucks fans turn a regular hockey player request into 'Cody Hodgson DEMANDS' ?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:32 AM

"However, nobody, especially not a rookie can DEMAND more time on the ice." Bodee

Not sure where you are picking this out of thin air from.

Would you please support your statement with facts-as in DEMANDING ice time?

Thanks.




I said "If" he wanted more time on ice.............The demand would then be borne out by the ultimate solution. By that I mean if he is not happy, it is still his option to stay.........or go. Assuming we wanted to hold onto him.

It was one of the many things said at the time. I don't know if it was true or not. I certainly didn't see anything in the newspapers over here in Scotland. :)

If you look at the jist of my post I'm saying there must have been some reason for him going as I'm sure we didn't want to lose him. Does the reason really matter now. Put it another way if there is no problem from Cody's side ...............he is still in Vancouver.

Edited by Bodee, 29 August 2012 - 03:34 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:15 AM

Bodee,every player wants more ice time.That is the nature of competition and being at your best,giving your all.

I believe your quote was: ".......nobody, especially not a rookie can DEMAND more time on the ice."

His agent has said they never asked for a trade and a rookie under contract can demand nothing and expect to play out his contract.

That applies to near every player on any team.

Gillis.org wanted Kassian and they dumped Cody for him is the way I see it.The rest was butt covering.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:38 AM

Bodee,every player wants more ice time.That is the nature of competition and being at your best,giving your all.

I believe your quote was: ".......nobody, especially not a rookie can DEMAND more time on the ice."

His agent has said they never asked for a trade and a rookie under contract can demand nothing and expect to play out his contract.

That applies to near every player on any team.

Gillis.org wanted Kassian and they dumped Cody for him is the way I see it.The rest was butt covering.


Fair enough nuck nit.

If indeed that was the case it seems sad to me. After all it soon became obvious to most that Kass wasn't really ready to step up.

We of course can sit and GM to our hearts content and make any number of assumptions based on what we think or the media may allude to but at the end of the day I have too much respect for our Coach/GM tandem to imagine they would do anything that they seriously thought would hurt this Club.

In fact as I stated in my "banned" Topic............the one that got me my undeserved warning :) MG may well have taken his Scouts advice on the team/match/ readiness and impact of Kass.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:44 AM

Ok,I waited an hour so I will post up the quotes:

At his end of the year press conference, Mike Gillis took a few parting shots at Cody Hodgson, saying:

"I spent more time on Cody's issues than every other player combined on our team the last three years."

So Gary Roberts..a friend and trainer of Hodgson decided to step up to the plate so to speak, and give a rebuttal.

"I listened to Mike Gillis the other day," Roberts said by phone over the weekend, "and my impression was, 'Are you kidding me?'

"If anybody knew this kid, this young man, to know what he went through mentally and physically for two summers trying to find out what the heck was wrong with him -- of course they dealt with his issues more than anybody else in the organization because he was injured and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.
"It almost was like they thought he didn't want to work. Well, I can tell you that this kid out of all the kids that I train, he's up there in the [Steven] Stamkos group as far as commitment and determination. What I tell him, he does, so I know he's coachable and I love working with him."
"I talked to Cody after this came out with Gillis," Roberts said. "I know he's on vacation, and I said, 'Hey, I know you went through a lot of stress. How are you feeling about some of those comments?' He said, 'Gary, I've dealt with a lot of stuff there in the last three years, and I'm just going to take the high road.'
"For me, I'd like to be the guy that looks at Mike Gillis and says, 'You're a moron.' It doesn't really do anybody any good other than the fact that Mike Gillis looks like, as they say on TSN, a dud."

http://www.nucksmisc...ack-for-hodgson

Did you listen to the Roberts interview on Sportsnet where he two faced himself about calling Gillis a moron. According to Roberts he really didnt call Gillis a moron it just seemed like he did.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:03 AM

Did you listen to the Roberts interview on Sportsnet where he two faced himself about calling Gillis a moron. According to Roberts he really didnt call Gillis a moron it just seemed like he did.


Nope,never saw it but his quote is all over the media for all to see.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm0F7QeTWw0&feature=youtu.be

this is my new tribute of cody hodgson, i really miss him

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