Onions Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 what is enough? please state your parameters first. but I think we didn't need to make massive changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Attack Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Campbell is a number one NHL elite d man.Edler is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Yeah,sure.Lidstrom had less points,as well. Pro hockey is not restricted to the National Hockey League. It's a big world out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Campbell is a number one NHL elite d man.Edler is not. Doing 'quite well' offers little to nothing up for substance or debate,Gump. In time,Edler may become an elite d man such as Campbell,but there is a long way to go. Last year,Garrison's d partner had three penalties all year long,so Garrison was gifted with a cerebral partner of immense talent that was never left his side-he was always there to support Garrison on every shift of every game. This year,Edler will be racking up his usual 30-50 minutes of penalties and Garrison will not be paired with a gifted Norris candidate at any point in time,especially when he goes out with a number five and six d man. Garrison has four years of pro experience and Edler has six. Campbell has 18 years of pro hockey experience. Does Garrison stand a chance at elevating his stats with the Sedins on the PP? Of course,if he even finds a permanent role with them there.That is certainly debatable at this point in time. He is a defensive d man.I think Garrison would stand a lot better chance of elevating his game-and stats-alongside Keith Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You are losing me,Gump. Your position is my position or your position has changed or will change depending upon your recent current position. Best to keep future answers regarding your position relating to my position a bit shorter for clarification purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeywoot Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 The best UFA available, perhaps, not necessarily the best fit. I am not convinced on Jason Garrison, at all, as you all know. The money is very high, and the resume is just not there. It's a roll of the dice. And quite honestly, it just magnifies the mistake that was letting Christian Ehrhoff walk, who could've been had at a cap hit of $600K per annum less. And he's not much older than Garrison. I don't agree with this. He's had plenty of shots to secure that spot. My theory on Lapierre is that he's just such a jerk, such an annoying guy to play against, that he actually makes his opponents better, because they hate him so much that he fires them up and in effect brings out their best. I used to live in Calgary, and there were a lot of times where Iginla would be floating through the game, not really having much of an impact at all, and the atmosphere would be fairly quiet. Then, someone would do something stupid, take some cheap shot at him, or a teammate, and it'd wake him up. He'd then pop a goal or two, add 5 shots on net, etc. I honestly feel that Lapierre has that effect. He's so annoying that it fires up the opposition, and they play better. The spot's been there for his taking - think about it, his competition has been Sami Pahlsson and Cyclops Malhotra, ever since the CH deal - but he hasn't taken it. My theory would also explain why an otherwise talented guy would be dumped by both Montreal & Anaheim before entering what should be his prime years. There are issues with the guy. Not unlike Kyle Wellwood, really, though he may have finally found a home in Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Attack Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Yeah,sure.Lidstrom had less points,as well. Pro hockey is not restricted to the National Hockey League. It's a big world out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Fever Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Do you honestly believe we improved enough? ......................NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 All Brian Campbell is good for is offence, that's my point. You seem to value it so much, so clearly Edler's not that much below Campbell. He's not big or physical, not a shutdown guy, and doesn't have a great shot. He's just very good at moving the puck. Doesn't make him an elite defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Right,so how do you screw this up so bad? Gillis repeatedly corrected AV. Is that so hard to figure out? Do you get paid to protect Gillis from himself? Vancouver Canuck general manager Mike Gillis said Friday that head coach Alain Vigneault "misspoke" when he told a French-language TV show that goalie Roberto Luongo wanted a trade out of Vancouver. Gillis said he and Vigneault talked Thursday night and the coach explained that he "didn't mean what he said" about Luongo. According to Gillis, Vigneault later corrected that statement with his interviewers. " ... you know, [he] didn't mean what he said." Gillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Yeah, all this assumption is based on is the player in question saying that it's time to move on, his own coach saying that he wants to move on, the backup goaltender being signed to a new, multi-year, big-money contract, and the hockey world at-large discussing Luongo destination scenarios because 99.999999% think that it's a given that he's on way out. Totally baseless assumption, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://blogs.thescor...efense-pairing/ Even as a relatively dedicated hockey fan, you could be forgiven if you had very little idea of who Jason Garrison and Mike Weaver are. The duo, who spent three-quarters of their ice-time together last season, played a thankless and pivotal role for an overmatched and largely anonymous Florida Panthers defense corps, and while the team may have struggled their efforts helped to limit the bleeding. As I alluded to above, neither of these two players is particularly famous. Garrison was never drafted; the Panthers acquired him as a free agent after he posted strong offensive totals in his third season with the University of Minnesota-Duluth; he played his first game in the NHL in 2008-09 after spending most of the season as a key player for the Rochester Americans. this year, at the age of 26, he played his first season that was spent entirely in the NHL. Like Garrison, Mike Weaver was never drafted, although he’s probably a little more famous because he’s been around longer. Florida is his fifth NHL organization; he broke in with the miserable Thrashers and has served as a depth defenseman all over the NHL. At 5’9”, he’s probably the smallest defensive defenseman playing in the world’s best league. Yet, despite their humble origins, this pairing really did a superb job last season. They finished first and second in minutes played on the Florida blue-line, combined playing a little over 2,700 minutes at even-strength. Despite playing heavy minutes on an awful team, they finished a combined minus-1. There’s more to those heavy minutes than simple ice-time. Of the Panthers’ six regular defenders, four broke just about even in terms of starting in the offensive versus the defensive zone – the exceptions were Weaver and Garrison, who started in their own end 60.0% of the time. Not only did they take on a ton of defensive minutes, but they did it against the best players – Garrison and Weaver finished first in both Quality of Competition and Relative Corsi Quality of Competition. Despite that, no pairing in Florida was less likely to be scored on than Weaver and Garrison – they averaged around 2.00 goals against per 60 minutes of even-strength ice-time. They were outshot by a slight margin, but given the minutes they were playing that’s an accomplishment, not a criticism. The best thing about the pairing? They did it all for a combined cost of less than $1.6 million. It’s hard to imagine there was a better example of budget spending in the NHL last season. More interesting articles for those questioning Garrison or those who legitimately would like to actually learn a little more about him. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/the-nhls-top-defensive-defencemen/article576301/ http://canucksarmy.com/2012/7/3/jason-garrison-the-brian-campbell-effect-and-regression http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=634206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I've been a Canucks fan since 1975 - I will always cheer for them. That said - looking at how they ended the season last year...how they kept improving year after year before last season, and ending in a disappointing SCF...I am also a realist...this team is on the downward trend I'm sorry to say...I expected a cup in 2011...now I just expect them to make the playoffs...I will be very surprised if they win the cup in the next 5 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 You've missed the point. GIllis said what happened which was that AV corrected his statement. If that wasn't the truth don't you think at the very least the people doing the interview would have said otherwise. I know it hurts your "hate on" but it really isn't outside the realm of possibility or probability that AV was incorrect. Ball is in your court here but you haven't really shown anything to say Gillis lied other than you saying Gillis lied. Nobody has come forward to say otherwise and I'm not sure if you know anything about the media in Canada when it comes to hockey but they're generally pretty ruthless. AV said something and then corrected himself. GIllis then in an interview explained that AV had corrected his original comment which was incorrect. You're grasping for straws that aren't there...or to go back to the discussion you jumped into you're adding dots to help your "point". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Oh,look.Roberto is in Florida today telling the world he would like to be a Panther. Good thing Luo knows english so he can explicitely articulate he is going to be traded. Even AV was clear.Everybody figured it out but Gillis and his employee of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Sorry,bud.Gillis corrected AV and then Gillis repeatedly corrected AV. The discussion is open as this is an open,public forum. English may not be your strongest point,I gather.Maybe switch to French and then tell me what AV said,not what Gillis would like everyone to believe AV said. You are on the Gillis payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Oh,look.Roberto is in Florida today telling the world he would like to be a Panther. Good thing Luo knows english so he can explicitely articulate he is going to be traded. Even AV was clear.Everybody figured it out but Gillis and his employee of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Come on,publicly asking for a trade? Like the public is going to grant him his request? Where did you concoct such a theory as it has no basis in reality? I read the posts,english is my first language.Just because I don't answer as you would like does not diminish this fact. Firstoff,get yourself clear with whom trades Roberto and as a starting point of open discussion it is not the general public. Secondly,I could care less what you think of me and what opinions you have of me so suck it up.You continually denigrate most every poster so I care less about what your position with me is or is not. Thirdly,Roberto dictates where he goes and as a no-trade, multi millionaire with many personal reasons to go back to Florida I would say he has every right to hold out until Gillis moves him there.The only thing he hurts is Gillis' bargaining position and it is doubtful Lou cares about Gillis' position so it does not matter what he publicly states or not.Gillis has to satisfy Luo's request or Gillis will be forced to move Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Come on,publicly asking for a trade? Like the public is going to grant him his request? Where did you concoct such a theory as it has no basis in reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 You are losing me,Gump. Your position is my position or your position has changed or will change depending upon your recent current position. Best to keep future answers regarding your position relating to my position a bit shorter for clarification purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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