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Poll: Who is the greatest Finnish player in NHL history? (73 member(s) have cast votes)

Who is the greatest Finnish player in NHL history?

  1. Teemu Selanne (53 votes [72.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.60%

  2. Jari Kurri (20 votes [27.40%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.40%

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:50 PM

Woah, I thought this poll would be a lot closer.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:55 PM

Woah, I thought this poll would be a lot closer.


I think the demographics of CDC are such that most posters never saw Kurri play. People who are voting for Kurri are probably 30+. People voting for Teemu are probably 10-30.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:26 PM

2012 : Jari Kurri

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:33 PM

As usual, I've gotten all statistical on this.

So, at first glance, you see that Teemu has more points, albeit only 8 more, but he also has 62 more goals. Looking closer, you realize that Selanne also has more games played, therefore had more opportunity to get those points.

So, next you look at points/game. You see that Kurri is ahead of Selanne by a decent margin (1.12 to 1.05). You also will notice that Selanne is right about at 0.5 Goals per game though, which is ahead of Kurri. This means that Kurri's assists/game must be quite a bit higher than Selanne's and they are (0.64 to 0.55).

Normally I'd stop here and say that Kurri was the better player based on Points per game, and go more in detail, saying that Selanne was the better goal scorer, but Kurri was the better playmaker. However, there is one more possible step.

I took the averages of the league's goal per game level over each player's career. Kurri, who played in the 80's and 90's played in an era of much more offense than Selanne who played in the 90's and 00's.

I calculated what Selanne's goals per game, assists per game, and points per game would've been if he'd played in Kurri's era.

Goals Per Game
Kurri: 0.48
Selanne: 0.62

Assists Per Game
Kurri: 0.64
Selanne: 0.68

Points Per Game
Kurri: 1.12
Selanne: 1.30

Selanne beats Kurri in all three categories, even in assists per game, which was Kurri's strength.

So, statistically speaking, Selanne is the greatest Finnish player of All-Time.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:44 PM

i voted for teemu...
i'm 37 and i saw both play...

Teemu managed what 76 goals in his rookie season.
How many goals do you think Selanne would have gotten when he was young with that amazing Oiler team...
Surely more than 76 with gretz feeding him... heck look how many 1 timers Teemu puts in...

Theres no doubt in my mind that Kurri is a GREAT player...

Teemu continues to put up good points and is still a threat even at his older age...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:55 PM

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:01 PM

Teemu. Guy is still scary good.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:48 PM

That's simple. It's Teemu. Kurri retired at 38 but his last good season you have to go back to when he was 34. I'm sure Jari was a great player but we'll never know how well he would've done without the great one by his side. Teemu on the other hand is still kicking ass at age 42. No contest here.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:23 AM

That's simple. It's Teemu. Kurri retired at 38 but his last good season you have to go back to when he was 34. I'm sure Jari was a great player but we'll never know how well he would've done without the great one by his side. Teemu on the other hand is still kicking ass at age 42. No contest here.


Plus he's playing in an era harder to score on.

Great post ajhockey, says it all.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:33 AM

Reijo Ruotsalainen b/c he had the greatest name of all time.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:37 AM

Again....for the kid's who never saw Kurri play and for the 37 year old who did, like I did, a lot......The Hockey News, has him listed as the 50th greatest NHL hockey player of all time.....and that's top spot for all Northern European players.

Bob Mackenzie was one of the judges on the panel that selected the top 100.

And for those saying that Kurri benefited from playing with Gretzky, I won't argue that....however, Kurri went on to win another Stanley Cup without Gretzky as a teammate. Gretzky, however, never won another Cup again.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:45 AM

This is a tough one...

I'd have to say Temmu but by a slim margin. It's tough to compare different eras, and Temmu's rookie year was something else..

When Temmu played in a similar era to Kurri, he broke the NHL's rookie goals scored record (which still stands), and that's without Gretzky pssing him the puck.

Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 01:10 AM

Huge Kurri fan here... but 76 goals as a rookie and 66 points as a 41 year-old seal the deal for me. Kurri finished with 35 points as a 37 year-old. Teemu is amazing, and he might have 50 or 60 goals left to go.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:10 AM

Again....for the kid's who never saw Kurri play and for the 37 year old who did, like I did, a lot......The Hockey News, has him listed as the 50th greatest NHL hockey player of all time.....and that's top spot for all Northern European players.

Bob Mackenzie was one of the judges on the panel that selected the top 100.

And for those saying that Kurri benefited from playing with Gretzky, I won't argue that....however, Kurri went on to win another Stanley Cup without Gretzky as a teammate. Gretzky, however, never won another Cup again.


What I am most amazed with is no one has mentioned Kurri's superior defensive play. Thanks to him Gretzky was able to leave the defensive zone early to stretch out the opposition defense.

Selanne can't touch Kurri when it comes to defensive ability.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:37 AM

Lots of young'uns voting.




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