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11 year anniversary of 9/11 attacks approaching

September 9 2001  

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  1. 1. Do you believe the 'official' US Gov't version of the events that took place Sept.11.01?

    • Yes: Just like the gov't said nothing more to it!
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    • No: There is more to the story than we are being told!
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Oh wow, you weren't sent home? Would you like some sort of medal, saying you stayed at school on 9/11? All I was saying is what happened. I was in the 2nd grade, I didn't entirely understand what was going on. And you can't compare those attacks to the tsunami in Japan. One was a terrorist attack, inflicted by other human beings, on our own North American soil. Haven't you heard the saying "home is where the heart is"?

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The Japanese tsunami was a lot more recent and had a much larger death toll.

But the Japanese are less like us than the Americans are...right?

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indeed there have been way bigger tragedies but americans like to parade this one around like its the biggest one ever and everyone should stop and pay attention to them

Hiroshima

Nagasaki

genocide of the Jews

the aids issue in Africa

these all seem to take the back burner compared to 9/11 and i think people forget the meaning rest in peace it doesn't mean parade their deaths and have people live the incident over again

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I remember watching sportsnet at 6am and moments after starting to watch the sportscaster (can't remember her name now) came on and said they had to change to a live feed of the WTC and I was in grade 7 and didnt know if it was a hoax at first until a second plane crashed and people were jumping out of the building.

RIP to all the victims. I do believe there is a lot of questions unanswered but I refuse to believe it was a US conspiracy. At this point of my life now I don't care, just feel sad for everyone who was there.

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Lawsuit going ahead against American Airlines and United Continental over 9/11 Twin Towers terror attack

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A hijacked commercial plane crashes into the World Trade Centre in New York on September 11, 2001. Source: The Daily Telegraph

AMERICAN Airlines and United Continental must face trial over a lawsuit in which the lease holders of the World Trade Centre allege that lax security allowed hijackers to destroy the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.

Federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein in New York on Tuesday rejected a motion by American and United to have World Trade Centre Properties' suit seeking compensation thrown out.

The "defendants' motion is denied," the judge ruled, court papers show.

"The overlap between WTCP's insurance recovery and its potential tort recovery presents issues of fact requiring trial."

Al-Qaeda terrorists in hijacked planes from the two airlines smashed into the World Trade Centre's biggest skyscrapers on 9/11, demolishing both in a fiery collapse that killed nearly 3000 people.

The owners had paid $2.805 billion for the lease to the World Trade Centre only two months before.

WTCP says that the airlines' poor security at the time was to blame for their losses.

"But for the Aviation Defendant's negligence, the terrorists could not have boarded and hijacked the aircraft and flown them into the Twin Towers," the plaintiff alleges.

In his ruling, Hellerstein imposed a limit on what WTCP can seek of $2.805 billion - the value of the lease, rather than the plaintiff's original sum of $8.4 billion, which it said would amount to a replacement for the lost towers.

The airlines had argued that WTCP had no right to seek further compensation as it has already received $4.091 billion in insurance money

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The Japanese tsunami was a lot more recent and had a much larger death toll.

But the Japanese are less like us than the Americans are...right?

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I am tired of people comparing 9/11 to natural disasters. These are extremely different circumstances. Nobody is taking anything away from the disaster in Japan, however 9/11 strikes a much different chord with alot of people. These attacks were humans killing humans in a time of peace. For no apparent reason, other than hate and intolerance, thousands lost their lives that day. It needs to be remembered. And we all should thank the firefighters and first responders who risked and sacrificed their lives because of these events. These people put it all on the line to save their fellow man. It is a great statement on the human condition. No matter what your views are on 9/11, I would hope that you still take a moment to remember the innocent victims and the people that risked and gave their lives so that the death toll wasn't higher than it was.

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For whatever reason, 9/11 had a larger impact on people of North America. Maybe it was the thousands of images of that day. Maybe it was because a lot of us(myself included) believed WWIII was going to result. Whatever the reasons, it's not a slight at all the other tragedies that happen around the world, as you seem to think. I remember watching in horror the footage from both recent tsunami's in Japan and Thailand.....just as I watched the towers crumble down in lower Manhattan.

I really don't understand why you people do this everytime a tribute/memorial/death thread comes about. Yes, there's is thousands of other horrible things going on in the world right now, we know that....remembering this one(or any one) isn't forgetting about all the others.

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I'm not saying that it's a slight on the others. Just saying that this one is overplayed to the point of being in your face above all the others, as do the root causes and all their victims go ignored or downplayed as SET has mentioned.

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Why would you even click on the thread of this overplayed, in your face event?? Why not just let those of us who vividly recollect that day(and were profoundly affected by it), remember in peace?

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I am tired of people comparing 9/11 to natural disasters. These are extremely different circumstances. Nobody is taking anything away from the disaster in Japan, however 9/11 strikes a much different chord with alot of people. These attacks were humans killing humans in a time of peace. For no apparent reason, other than hate and intolerance, thousands lost their lives that day. It needs to be remembered. And we all should thank the firefighters and first responders who risked and sacrificed their lives because of these events. These people put it all on the line to save their fellow man. It is a great statement on the human condition. No matter what your views are on 9/11, I would hope that you still take a moment to remember the innocent victims and the people that risked and gave their lives so that the death toll wasn't higher than it was.

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Just injecting a little perspective. It's not just this thread, but the media in general that overplays it and makes America out to be the victim. Nice to see some critical thought go around once in a while, eh?

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A reaction begotten by US foreign policy at that.

Do you mourn so much for all the victims of US military aggression whose death toll far outnumber those killed in 9/11?

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Lawsuit going ahead against American Airlines and United Continental over 9/11 Twin Towers terror attack

A hijacked commercial plane crashes into the World Trade Centre in New York on September 11, 2001. Source: The Daily Telegraph

AMERICAN Airlines and United Continental must face trial over a lawsuit in which the lease holders of the World Trade Centre allege that lax security allowed hijackers to destroy the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.

Federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein in New York on Tuesday rejected a motion by American and United to have World Trade Centre Properties' suit seeking compensation thrown out.

The "defendants' motion is denied," the judge ruled, court papers show.

"The overlap between WTCP's insurance recovery and its potential tort recovery presents issues of fact requiring trial."

Al-Qaeda terrorists in hijacked planes from the two airlines smashed into the World Trade Centre's biggest skyscrapers on 9/11, demolishing both in a fiery collapse that killed nearly 3000 people.

The owners had paid $2.805 billion for the lease to the World Trade Centre only two months before.

WTCP says that the airlines' poor security at the time was to blame for their losses.

"But for the Aviation Defendant's negligence, the terrorists could not have boarded and hijacked the aircraft and flown them into the Twin Towers," the plaintiff alleges.

In his ruling, Hellerstein imposed a limit on what WTCP can seek of $2.805 billion - the value of the lease, rather than the plaintiff's original sum of $8.4 billion, which it said would amount to a replacement for the lost towers.

The airlines had argued that WTCP had no right to seek further compensation as it has already received $4.091 billion in insurance money

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I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. But I do believe there was plenty of corruption (which may or may not have led to the event) up until that point.

I think the insurance policy set out only two months ago is/was suspicious.

The economy was starting to get crappy, though most people probably didn't feel its effects until much later - I'm not convinced that bankers didn't see it coming.

The lack of investigation is also bad.

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I read a few of the posts of people arguing in this thread and just shake my head. I mean really? Do you not have anything better to do?

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9/11 anniversary ceremony to proceed without politicians' speeches

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NEW YORK -- For the first time, elected officials won't speak at Tuesday's ceremony commemorating the Sept. 11 attacks -- an occasion that has allowed them a solemn turn in the spotlight. The change was made in the name of sidelining politics, but some have rapped it as a political move in itself.

It's a sign of the entrenched sensitivity of the politics of Sept. 11, even after a decade of commemorating the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field. From the first anniversary in 2002, the date has been filled with questions about how -- or even whether -- to try to separate the Sept. 11 that is about personal loss from the 9-11 that reverberates through public life.

The answers are complicated for Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles was the pilot of the hijacked plane that crashed into the Pentagon. She feels politicians' involvement can lend gravity to the remembrances, but she empathizes with the reasons for silencing officeholders at the New York ceremony this year.

"It is the one day, out of 365 days a year, where, when we invoke the term '9-11,' we mean the people who died and the events that happened," rather than the political and cultural layers the phrase has accumulated, said Burlingame, who's on the board of the organization that announced the change in plans this year.

"So I think the idea that it's even controversial that politicians wouldn't be speaking is really rather remarkable."

Remarkable, perhaps, but a glimpse through the political prism that splits so much surrounding Sept. 11 into different lights.

Officeholders from the mayor to presidents have been heard at the New York ceremony, reading texts ranging from parts of the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address to poems by John Donne and Langston Hughes.

But in July, the National Sept. 11 Memorial and Museum -- led by Mayor Michael Bloomberg as its board chairman -- announced that this year's version would include only relatives reading victims' names. Politicians still may attend.

The point, memorial President Joe Daniels said, was "honouring the victims and their families in a way free of politics" in an election year.

"You always want to change," Bloomberg said in a radio interview in July, "... and I think it'll be very moving."

Some victims' relatives and commentators praised the decision. "It is time" to extricate Sept. 11 from politics, the Boston Globe wrote in an editorial.

But others said keeping politicians off the rostrum smacked of ... politics.

The move came amid friction between the memorial foundation and the governors of New York and New Jersey over progress on the memorial museum. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican, have signalled their displeasure by calling on federal officials to give the memorial a financial and technical hand.

Some victims' relatives see the no-politicians anniversary ceremony as retaliation. Both states' governors have traditionally been invited to participate.

"Banning the governors of New York and New Jersey from speaking is the ultimate political decision," said one relatives' group, led by retired Deputy Fire Chief Jim Riches. His firefighter son and namesake was killed responding to the burning World Trade Center.

To Riches, political leaders' presence shows a nation's respect and recognizes their role in passing laws that aided victims' families and people sickened by working at ground zero.

With politicians excluded, "the 9-11 families are having to turn their backs on the people who helped us so much," he said.

Spokesmen for Christie and Cuomo said the governors were fine with the memorial organizers' decision.

For former New York Gov. George Pataki, the change ends a 10-year experience that was deeply personal even as it reflected his political role. He was governor at the time of the attacks.

"As the names are read out, I just listen and have great memories of people who I knew very well who were on that list of names. It was very emotional," Pataki reflected by phone last week. Among his friends who were killed was Neil Levin, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

But Pataki supports the decision not to have government figures speak.

"It's time to take the next step, which is simply to continue to pay tribute," said Pataki, who expects he'll continue to attend.

Of course, it's difficult to remember 9-11 without remembering its impact on the nation's political narrative. As both an event and a symbol, it's "seared into the American social and political psyche, with profound consequences," says Baruch College political science professor Douglas Muzzio.

And from the start, the anniversary has been a flashpoint for accusations of playing politics with Sept. 11.

The first anniversary engendered political flaps from New York to Pikeville, Kentucky. New York Republicans said a Democratic television ad featuring the Gettysburg Address was aimed at upstaging Pataki's ground zero reading from the same text. In Pikeville, a judicial candidate complained when the incumbent was tapped to sing at the Sept. 11 ceremony in the town of roughly 7,000; organizers let the judge perform, anyway.

When Republicans scheduled their 2004 national convention in New York City less than two weeks before the anniversary, some victims' relatives accused the party of using Sept. 11 as a political backdrop. And some family members and firefighters objected that former Mayor Rudy Giuliani would bring politics into the ceremony by participating in 2007, when he was a Republican presidential candidate. Giuliani ultimately made brief remarks.

"I've tried very hard not to politicize Sept. 11, particularly around the time of 9-11, but it's almost impossible not to be criticized for politicizing it because it's a political event," Giuliani told the news website Politico last year.

Several family members sent a political message of their own as they read names at the 2005 ground zero ceremony, calling for a fitting memorial amid a fight over a then-planned "freedom museum" that some said would politicize the site. And the 2010 anniversary unfolded amid protests and counterprotests over a proposed mosque near ground zero, as well as a furor over a Florida minister's ultimately cancelled plan to burn copies of the Qur'an.

Charles G. Wolf feels it's time to take political voices out of the anniversary this year. He thinks that the public's connection to Sept. 11 has changed, and that the ceremony should, too.

"We've gone past that deep, collective public grief," says Wolf, whose wife, Katherine, was killed at the trade centre. "And the fact that the politicians will not be involved, to me, makes it more intimate, for the families.

"I think that the politicians don't need to be there, personally. ... It can be just us. That's the way that it can be now."

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