Sharpshooter Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Nothing in that OP is news to me, no need relearning things I already know. And by making a post with the sole purpose of whining about other peoples posts you don't feel are relevant to your thread, you are derailing the thread just as much as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Lol, from the Obama/Romney thread I picked you for a conservative. Well played sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Wow. Derailed before it even left the station... Anyway, the man's clearly a backwards idiot. He doesn't represent the view of every Christian/religious doctor though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 You knew that a Viennese doctor transplanted testicles of hetero-sexual men into homosexual men in the late 1800's to early 1900's? That's impressive. Which high-school subject did you learn that in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Brethren school kids 'brainwashed' by: Matthew Denholm From:The Australian September 25, 200612:00AM CHILDREN at taxpayer-funded schools run by the Exclusive Brethren sect are brainwashed and their basic texts are crudely censored, say former teachers. Several teachers have told The Australian they left Brethren schools in disgust at "excessive control" over what children were allowed to read and study. And they said they were paid $10,000 a year less than teachers at comparable non-government schools because the sect did not allow enterprise bargaining. The claims have prompted calls from teachers, unions and politicians for tighter conditions on taxpayer funding for Brethren schools, which receive $20.7 million a year in federal money. A fundamentalist Christian sect, the Exclusive Brethren has created controversy in Australia and abroad for smear campaigns against liberal-minded politicians. New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark accused the sect of hiring a private detective to gather dirt on her and husband Peter Davis, who was pictured in a magazine being kissed by a "mystery man", who turned out to be a family friend. The sect has 31 schools in Australia - in NSW, Queensland, Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania - teaching 3823 children until the end of high school. As the Brethren do not believe in tertiary education, they must hire non-members of the sect to teach in their schools. A teacher who recently left one of the sect's three Oakwood schools in Tasmania said he did so in disgust at the "complete control" over the children and their education imposed by the Brethren. "I didn't want to contribute to a system in which the control over the children was so complete," the teacher said. "The children are told what jobs they will do and who they will marry. They were not being equipped to live in the outside world. The Brethren were cutting off the children's pathways." Most modern novels were banned, pages were removed even from permitted 19th-century works and entire chapters were censored from science books. "One science book had all the chapters on reproduction cut out," one teacher said. "Most modern texts were banned." Teachers reported positives, such as excellent reading skills among the children and an absence of violent or abusive behaviour, but said pupils could be difficult to discipline because they did not believe they needed to heed the word of outsiders. John Saunders, chief executive of the Brethren's Hobart campus of Oakwood School, rejected the criticisms. "'Our school community, including non-Brethren staff and teachers, has an understanding, respect and a commitment to abide by the school ethos," he said. "This ethos upholds scriptural principles, including the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Our school is a Christian fundamentalist school with a secular curriculum. Many modern-day novels are rejected on the basis they are contrary to the truth of scripture. The parents have set up the Oakwood school to protect their children from the rapid moral decline in today's society." Independent Education Union federal secretary Lynne Rolley questioned taxpayer funding of Brethren schools, saying it was unfair to other non-government schools with full market pay rates. the bretheren is not a religion , it is a cult . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 The fact that religious schools like that get government funding baffles me. In my mind, as a taxpayer, if they want to preach their dogma, it shouldn't come out of my pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Come on Sharp, don't be facetious. If you can look up news articles, I'm sure he can too. You're just making enemies now by being so antagonistic. I'm sure you realize from the other threads on religion that I'm an Atheist, but by being so confrontational, you're not making the environment conducive to discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I wonder if they have a cure for those that misuse religion? Christians are supposed to follow Jesus - how does that "sect" consider itself Christian? They are more like the Pharisees than Christians. "Let he without sin cast the first stone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I just simply cannot believe how a rational human being can come to that conclusion. No wonder I have problems with authority, it always gets abused in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 The fact that religious schools like that get government funding baffles me. In my mind, as a taxpayer, if they want to preach their dogma, it shouldn't come out of my pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 "I didn't want to contribute to a system in which the control over the children was so complete," the teacher said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 **And on the 8th day, God created Joseph Smith** I find more "agnostics" who lead their lives "in-step" with the teachings of Christ, than I do "Christians" .. he who does not "practice what he preaches" is so easily tagged with the "hypocrite" label, and justifiably so .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 the bretheren is not a religion , it is a cult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 What? You're telling me that a group that labels themselves as 'Exclusive Brethren' is a cult? Insert 'naw dawg' meme here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajusta Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Sharpshooter looks like he needs his agnosticism fix weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Somehow this seems appropriate in this thread. I have no idea why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I wonder if they have a cure for those that misuse religion? Christians are supposed to follow Jesus - how does that "sect" consider itself Christian? They are more like the Pharisees than Christians. "Let he without sin cast the first stone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I believe that this topic is a clear example of how religions are anything but harmless. Atheists and agnostics who are apologetic and get angry with non-deists for pointing out the issues with religion need to take notice. It is amazing how mainstream religions get away with child abuse, physical and mental. The physical abuse is obvious but what isn't so obvious is the mental abuse. Kids being taught religious dogma and having their way of life chosen for them before they have the ability to choose for themselves. That is child abuse. Another issue I have with apologists turning the other cheek was pointed out rather brilliantly by Sam Harris; moderate religious figures (individuals who don't believe their holy texts are literally true, but are sources of their moral fibre) allow the more deluded followers or extremists to use this fine line to justify their sociopathy. Extreme Islamists not only are revered by others of the same ilk, they are shielded from persecution because they are acting in the name of a faith or belief above the "laws of man". The same is true in the case brought forward in the OP. The doctor felt justified because he believed he was doing all he could to keep the sinner from acting on his sins and thus damnation; what could be more moral? Of course the bible doesn't specifically condone his actions, but due to Christianity's evolution, the delusional may find shelter to practice their antics while feeling morally justified. A problem I would rather be addressed by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowen Williams as opposed to Australian Cardinal, George Pell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Sharpshooter looks like he needs his agnosticism fix weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I believe that this topic is a clear example of how religions are anything but harmless. Atheists and agnostics who are apologetic and get angry with non-deists for pointing out the issues with religion need to take notice. It is amazing how mainstream religions get away with child abuse, physical and mental. The physical abuse is obvious but what isn't so obvious is the mental abuse. Kids being taught religious dogma and having their way of life chosen for them before they have the ability to choose for themselves. That is child abuse. Another issue I have with apologists turning the other cheek was pointed out rather brilliantly by Sam Harris; moderate religious figures (individuals who don't believe their holy texts are literally true, but are sources of their moral fibre) allow the more deluded followers or extremists to use this fine line to justify their sociopathy. Extreme Islamists not only are revered by others of the same ilk, they are shielded from persecution because they are acting in the name of a faith or belief above the "laws of man". The same is true in the case brought forward in the OP. The doctor felt justified because he believed he was doing all he could to keep the sinner from acting on his sins and thus damnation; what could be more moral? Of course the bible doesn't specifically condone his actions, but due to Christianity's evolution, the delusional may find shelter to practice their antics while feeling morally justified. A problem I would rather be addressed by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowen Williams as opposed to Australian Cardinal, George Pell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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