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#31 Aladeen

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:20 PM

"I didn't want to contribute to a system in which the control over the children was so complete," the teacher said.

I find this particular line very amusing.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:24 PM

**And on the 8th day, God created Joseph Smith**

I find more "agnostics" who lead their lives "in-step" with the teachings of Christ, than I do "Christians" .. he who does not "practice what he preaches" is so easily tagged with the "hypocrite" label, and justifiably so ..

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:37 PM

the bretheren is not a religion , it is a cult

What? You're telling me that a group that labels themselves as 'Exclusive Brethren' is a cult?

Insert 'naw dawg' meme here.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

What? You're telling me that a group that labels themselves as 'Exclusive Brethren' is a cult?

Insert 'naw dawg' meme here.


and the point of this post was..................

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:08 PM

Sharpshooter looks like he needs his agnosticism fix weekly.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

Somehow this seems appropriate in this thread. I have no idea why.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

I wonder if they have a cure for those that misuse religion?

Christians are supposed to follow Jesus - how does that "sect" consider itself Christian?
They are more like the Pharisees than Christians.

"Let he without sin cast the first stone".


It's much easier to label people all as the same.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:19 PM

I believe that this topic is a clear example of how religions are anything but harmless. Atheists and agnostics who are apologetic and get angry with non-deists for pointing out the issues with religion need to take notice.

It is amazing how mainstream religions get away with child abuse, physical and mental. The physical abuse is obvious but what isn't so obvious is the mental abuse. Kids being taught religious dogma and having their way of life chosen for them before they have the ability to choose for themselves. That is child abuse.

Another issue I have with apologists turning the other cheek was pointed out rather brilliantly by Sam Harris; moderate religious figures (individuals who don't believe their holy texts are literally true, but are sources of their moral fibre) allow the more deluded followers or extremists to use this fine line to justify their sociopathy. Extreme Islamists not only are revered by others of the same ilk, they are shielded from persecution because they are acting in the name of a faith or belief above the "laws of man".



The same is true in the case brought forward in the OP. The doctor felt justified because he believed he was doing all he could to keep the sinner from acting on his sins and thus damnation; what could be more moral? Of course the bible doesn't specifically condone his actions, but due to Christianity's evolution, the delusional may find shelter to practice their antics while feeling morally justified. A problem I would rather be addressed by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowen Williams as opposed to Australian Cardinal, George Pell.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

Sharpshooter looks like he needs his agnosticism fix weekly.


What is an agnosticism fix?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:46 PM

I believe that this topic is a clear example of how religions are anything but harmless. Atheists and agnostics who are apologetic and get angry with non-deists for pointing out the issues with religion need to take notice.

It is amazing how mainstream religions get away with child abuse, physical and mental. The physical abuse is obvious but what isn't so obvious is the mental abuse. Kids being taught religious dogma and having their way of life chosen for them before they have the ability to choose for themselves. That is child abuse.

Another issue I have with apologists turning the other cheek was pointed out rather brilliantly by Sam Harris; moderate religious figures (individuals who don't believe their holy texts are literally true, but are sources of their moral fibre) allow the more deluded followers or extremists to use this fine line to justify their sociopathy. Extreme Islamists not only are revered by others of the same ilk, they are shielded from persecution because they are acting in the name of a faith or belief above the "laws of man".



The same is true in the case brought forward in the OP. The doctor felt justified because he believed he was doing all he could to keep the sinner from acting on his sins and thus damnation; what could be more moral? Of course the bible doesn't specifically condone his actions, but due to Christianity's evolution, the delusional may find shelter to practice their antics while feeling morally justified. A problem I would rather be addressed by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowen Williams as opposed to Australian Cardinal, George Pell.


right on brother .
my mother is a full on practising catholic and even she despises that POS pell .

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 05 September 2012 - 04:47 PM.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:01 PM

they didn't say if it worked or not...
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:10 PM

they didn't say if it worked or not...

Hmm good point. We need to do a Randomized Clinical Trial to find out.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:23 PM

Hmm good point. We need to do a Randomized Clinical Trial to find out.


Oh great, another one of them. :P :)

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

Someone should make a thread titled "The thread where extremists do ridiculously irrational things"
Then people post stuff like this in it. +_+

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:37 PM

Stay on topic folks. If you don't like the topic, don't post. If anyone continues to derail this thread, incite or antagonize other users, they will receive a 24 hour ban.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:04 PM

What is an agnosticism fix?


Severe brain trauma?

I don't know if it'll actually fix it but its bound to do something interesting.

/ First time I've ever heard Sharpie called an agnostic. I'm pretty sure he knows what he believes.
// The medical colleges of the world should maybe monitor the use of this substance more carefully, ya think?
/// Article didn't say...is the process reversible?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:17 PM

Severe brain trauma?

I don't know if it'll actually fix it but its bound to do something interesting.

/ First time I've ever heard Sharpie called an agnostic. I'm pretty sure he knows what he believes.
// The medical colleges of the world should maybe monitor the use of this substance more carefully, ya think?
/// Article didn't say...is the process reversible?


I'm no doctor or pharmacist, but it looks like usage of this drug over a period of time (as the article says) has long-term irreversible effects.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:12 AM

So what exactly do you believe in, Sharp?
I'm Christian
I won't judge you
No one is perfect
Only through Jesus
Will we find Truth

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 06:14 AM

How would this thread be different if it read:"Witch Doctor Chemically Castrates Boy?"

 

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:35 AM

How would this thread be different if it read:"Witch Doctor Chemically Castrates Boy?"

Then we could get anti-doctor people saying "all doctors are crazy and there should be no more medicine!"

Comparing these guys (or Westboro for that matter) to Christians is really the same thing as comparing witch doctors to doctors.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:41 AM

Then we could get anti-doctor people saying "all doctors are crazy and there should be no more medicine!"

Comparing these guys (or Westboro for that matter) to Christians is really the same thing as comparing witch doctors to doctors.


Bwah?

So then who're the Christians these guys are to be compared to? Who's the paragon of Christianity (aside from Jebus)?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:51 AM

Bwah?

So then who're the Christians these guys are to be compared to? Who's the paragon of Christianity (aside from Jebus)?

Oh I dunno how bout the hundreds of thousands who actually act like Christ and don't do stupid hateful things like this. And I think you actually made a good point, Jesus is the model. That's the whole concept of "Christianity."

I mean really you can't see the difference between this guy and other Christians? They're just all kinda the same?

Nobody's perfect but not everyones crazy.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:55 AM

Oh I dunno how bout the hundreds of thousands who actually act like Christ and don't do stupid hateful things like this.

I mean really you can't see the difference between this guy and other Christians? They're just all kinda the same?

Nobody's perfect but not everyones crazy.


Finding hundreds of thousands of Real Christians™ in a sea of what, 2-3 billion so-called Christians? Sounds fun! After, can we stop for ice cream and then look for a Scottsman?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:59 AM

Finding hundreds of thousands of Real Christians™ in a sea of what, 2-3 billion so-called Christians? Sounds fun! After, can we stop for ice cream and then look for a Scottsman?


Its a "Scotsman" .. and you dinna have to look far, laddie .. :lol:

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:03 AM

Its a "Scotsman" .. and you dinna have to look far, laddie .. :lol:


It.. was... a... typo.. :ph34r:

I wonder which we'll find first if we look for both at once. ::D

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:07 AM

It.. was... a... typo.. :ph34r:

I wonder which we'll find first if we look for both at once. ::D


It's a safe wager the Scot will be standing in the shining glow of a good single malt .. a "true" Christian is a rarer beast .. :rolleyes:

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:10 AM

A common misconception:

"Religion is even more complicated, since there are so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians"."

To be a true Christian is to follow Christ's teaching and example. Castrating children I don't think falls under either of those two.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:15 AM

A common misconception:

"Religion is even more complicated, since there are so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians"."

To be a true Christian is to follow Christ's teaching and example. Castrating children I don't think falls under either of those two.


Well I'm a person who is making the statement and I define my Scotsmen in such a way that really does preclude people who I do not deem to be "True Scotsmen".

So, are you a True Christian™?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:17 AM

Well I'm a person who is making the statement and I define my Scotsmen in such a way that really does preclude people who I do not deem to be "True Scotsmen".

So, are you a True Christian™?

So what is your definition of a true Christian? All one has to do is say "I'm Christian." Then it doesn't matter what they do?

I'm a true agnostic. :P

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:23 AM

A common misconception:

"Religion is even more complicated, since there are so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians"."

To be a true Christian is to follow Christ's teaching and example. Castrating children I don't think falls under either of those two.


A "true" Christian is, IMO, someone who tries to live their life based on the example Jesus established .. here are the "accepted" tenets of "Christianity":

  • Jesus Christ is the Only Way to Eternal Salvation With God the Father
  • We Are Saved by Grace Through Faith – Not by Works
  • Jesus Christ is the Son of God
  • The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
  • The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ From the Grave
  • The Ascension of Jesus Christ
  • The Doctrine of the Trinity
  • The Holy Bible is the Inspired and Infallible Word of God
  • We Are Baptized With the Holy Spirit at the Moment of Salvation
  • Regeneration by the Holy Spirit
  • The Doctrine of Hell
  • The 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ Back to our Earth

To believe in each and every one of these "tenets" is an absolute requirement to be a "Christian" ..

Strange how none of these "tenets" appear to stress the need to emulate Jesus' own lifestyle, which stressed humility, tolerance and service to others .. a simple life unadorned by avarice, greed and the "Capitalist" creed ..

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