canucklehead44 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 After the 2009 draft our top forward prospects were as follows: 1. Cody Hodgson 6'0, 185lbs 2. Michael Grabner 6'1, 177 lbs 3. Sergei Shirokov 5'10, 185lbs 4. Jordan Schroeder 5'9, 180lbs 5. Anton Rodin 6'0, 175lbs 6. Patrick White 6'0 198lbs Not to mention most of the depth guys were also tiny (Rai, Bliznak, Matson etc.) Fast forward to after the 2011 draft... 1. Zack Kassian 6'3 213 lbs 2. Nicklas Jensen 6'3 186 lbs 3. Brendan Gaunce 6'2 205lbs 4. Jordan Schroeder 5'9, 180lbs 5. Alexandre Mallet 6'1 194 6. Anton Rodin 6'0, 175lbs 7. Joseph Labate 6'4 194lbs Not to mention we have a few big project guys as well 1. Alexandre Grenier 6'5 200lbs 2. Ludwig Blomstrand 6'1 215lbs 3. Wesley Myron 6'2 190lbs 4. Matthew Beatie 6'3 175lbs 5. Darren Archibald 6'3 212 lbs Before we didn't have anyone over 6'0 and at least 180lbs except for Kablukov, Anthony and Froshaug who were all long shots with very little NHL potential. Now we have 5 guys who fit the bill with great NHL potential and 5 project guys who in my opinion look much more promising than Kablukov/Anthony/Froshaug did a few years ago. Gillis has done a great job bringing in size and forward depth, even though many of these guys are projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Lack should be listed amoung our top prospects. He's 6'5 almost 6'6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Fatigue Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 i'm happy with the look of our "size-guys" going forward. hard to say who will actually make the bigs but at least the wolves will have some beasts in the lineup. edit: Lack should be listed amoung our top prospects. He's 6'5 almost 6'6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 i'm happy with the look of our "size-guys" going forward. hard to say who will actually make the bigs but at least the wolves will have some beasts in the lineup. edit: totally agree with this. lack is a monster. takes up so much net it's not surprising he's such a good net minder. of course not only for that reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 LOL watch after the canucks get some size in their line up to make their team better suited for the playoffs the nhl will just change the way they officiate again and we'll get shredded by some speedy skilled teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ohlund 6'4 230lbs mitchell 6'3 210 SOB 6'3 230 Salo 6'3 215 edler 6'3 215 bieksa 6'1 205 hordichuk 6'2 212 kesler 6'2 205 bernier 6'3 220 pyatt 6'4 230 sundin 6'5 230 We had plenty of size in 08-09 but got rolled on by chicago and their speed and skill. When we went to the cup final we had a team built on skill and speed but lacked the size and when the refs put their whistles away we got steamrolled by boston. What im trying to get at is that it doesnt matter if we get bigger players when the nhl just keep changing the way they call the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Problem is, we are losing a LOT of talent and skill for this size. Hodgson - 20 goal scorer in his rookie season, he's going PPG potential and he'll probably reach it within the next 2 seasons. Grabner - 30 goal scorer, one of the fastest skaters in the league and would have been deadly on a contending team. Schroeder - soon to be NHLer, maybe a year off but he is very close. Shirokov - probably one of the most understood players, AV pretty much ruined this guy who was full of talent. Now look at what we have instead of these skilled guys (who were making an impact at the NHL level) Kassian - 4th liner to full-time press box filler. Potential to be a top-6 forward but he's far off it. Jensen - Lots of potential, I personally believe he'll be on the team next season but still nothing but 4 AHL goals to show for. Archibald - Full-time AHLer These guys may be big, but we're sacrificing some NHL-level talent for it. Gaunce and Jensen do look like they have NHL-level talent, but we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Problem is, we are losing a LOT of talent and skill for this size. Hodgson - 20 goal scorer in his rookie season, he's going PPG potential and he'll probably reach it within the next 2 seasons. Grabner - 30 goal scorer, one of the fastest skaters in the league and would have been deadly on a contending team. Schroeder - soon to be NHLer, maybe a year off but he is very close. Shirokov - probably one of the most understood players, AV pretty much ruined this guy who was full of talent. Now look at what we have instead of these skilled guys (who were making an impact at the NHL level) Kassian - 4th liner to full-time press box filler. Potential to be a top-6 forward but he's far off it. Jensen - Lots of potential, I personally believe he'll be on the team next season but still nothing but 4 AHL goals to show for. Archibald - Full-time AHLer These guys may be big, but we're sacrificing some NHL-level talent for it. Gaunce and Jensen do look like they have NHL-level talent, but we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ohlund 6'4 230lbs mitchell 6'3 210 SOB 6'3 230 Salo 6'3 215 edler 6'3 215 bieksa 6'1 205 hordichuk 6'2 212 kesler 6'2 205 bernier 6'3 220 pyatt 6'4 230 sundin 6'5 230 We had plenty of size in 08-09 but got rolled on by chicago and their speed and skill. When we went to the cup final we had a team built on skill and speed but lacked the size and when the refs put their whistles away we got steamrolled by boston. What im trying to get at is that it doesnt matter if we get bigger players when the nhl just keep changing the way they call the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Bo7 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 LOL watch after the canucks get some size in their line up to make their team better suited for the playoffs the nhl will just change the way they officiate again and we'll get shredded by some speedy skilled teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklebones Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think that next year, if there is one, the cup will go to the small, speedy, skilled team. The league will do this in order to cut down on concussions and protect their assets ei. Crosby, Ovetchkin, Sedin etc. Without these players in the forefront there will be no superstars, just a bunch of slow skating thugs. Superstars are the ones that sell the game, they make pretty goals. If you are listening Gillis, " don't sell out the teams' speed and skill !" It will pay off next season and for many seasons after that. Keep the size in the defensive core that is where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think that next year, if there is one, the cup will go to the small, speedy, skilled team. The league will do this in order to cut down on concussions and protect their assets ei. Crosby, Ovetchkin, Sedin etc. Without these players in the forefront there will be no superstars, just a bunch of slow skating thugs. Superstars are the ones that sell the game, they make pretty goals. If you are listening Gillis, " don't sell out the teams' speed and skill !" It will pay off next season and for many seasons after that. Keep the size in the defensive core that is where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enterin Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I doubt it. I've never really understood the Skill vs. Size arguement. Of course it won't take 50% skill and 50% size/toughness, but as long as their is a decent balance to the point where you can adjust your game for any style of opponent, you're set. I think it will continue to be skill+size/toughness wins the cup. Throughout the entire lineup that's what you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheels22 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ohlund 6'4 230lbs mitchell 6'3 210 SOB 6'3 230 Salo 6'3 215 edler 6'3 215 bieksa 6'1 205 hordichuk 6'2 212 kesler 6'2 205 bernier 6'3 220 pyatt 6'4 230 sundin 6'5 230 We had plenty of size in 08-09 but got rolled on by chicago and their speed and skill. When we went to the cup final we had a team built on skill and speed but lacked the size and when the refs put their whistles away we got steamrolled by boston. What im trying to get at is that it doesnt matter if we get bigger players when the nhl just keep changing the way they call the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ohlund 6'4 230lbs mitchell 6'3 210 SOB 6'3 230 Salo 6'3 215 edler 6'3 215 bieksa 6'1 205 hordichuk 6'2 212 kesler 6'2 205 bernier 6'3 220 pyatt 6'4 230 sundin 6'5 230 We had plenty of size in 08-09 but got rolled on by chicago and their speed and skill. When we went to the cup final we had a team built on skill and speed but lacked the size and when the refs put their whistles away we got steamrolled by boston. What im trying to get at is that it doesnt matter if we get bigger players when the nhl just keep changing the way they call the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Obviously, we would rather have big skilled players, than small skilled players. It will be interesting to see how Kassian develops when hockey starts again. He definitely looks belligerent enough, and some decent skills, that could be very effective in the playoffs. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Problem is, we are losing a LOT of talent and skill for this size. Hodgson - 20 goal scorer in his rookie season, he's going PPG potential and he'll probably reach it within the next 2 seasons. Grabner - 30 goal scorer, one of the fastest skaters in the league and would have been deadly on a contending team. Schroeder - soon to be NHLer, maybe a year off but he is very close. Shirokov - probably one of the most understood players, AV pretty much ruined this guy who was full of talent. Now look at what we have instead of these skilled guys (who were making an impact at the NHL level) Kassian - 4th liner to full-time press box filler. Potential to be a top-6 forward but he's far off it. Jensen - Lots of potential, I personally believe he'll be on the team next season but still nothing but 4 AHL goals to show for. Archibald - Full-time AHLer These guys may be big, but we're sacrificing some NHL-level talent for it. Gaunce and Jensen do look like they have NHL-level talent, but we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Yeah. But, we did lose some immediate skill. I think we can be a tough team to play against, but we do need some goals being scored which was our problems. I sure hope we try to steal Shirokov back, he looked like he was ready to take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Problem is, we are losing a LOT of talent and skill for this size. Hodgson - 20 goal scorer in his rookie season, he's going PPG potential and he'll probably reach it within the next 2 seasons. Grabner - 30 goal scorer, one of the fastest skaters in the league and would have been deadly on a contending team. Schroeder - soon to be NHLer, maybe a year off but he is very close. Shirokov - probably one of the most understood players, AV pretty much ruined this guy who was full of talent. Now look at what we have instead of these skilled guys (who were making an impact at the NHL level) Kassian - 4th liner to full-time press box filler. Potential to be a top-6 forward but he's far off it. Jensen - Lots of potential, I personally believe he'll be on the team next season but still nothing but 4 AHL goals to show for. Archibald - Full-time AHLer These guys may be big, but we're sacrificing some NHL-level talent for it. Gaunce and Jensen do look like they have NHL-level talent, but we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 more than half of that list are slow, unphysical Dmen of the forwards half were 4th liners Sundin was awash and so really that leaves Kesler @ 202lbs. your point is ok, but getting so very, very old. Size does matter unless youre a team of Tootoos and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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