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#31 Common sense

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:05 PM

Also, does anyone actually think this Iranian government will engage in discussion with any "western" powers? AFAIK, the US embassy's closed and UK-Iranian relations have majorly soured over the last year.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:17 PM

It is obvious that something is up.
Neocons are usually pro-military and seek to build strength. The problem is too many Canadian kids are more interested in playing Call of Duty instead of serving our country.


It's also much easier to be a lethargic fat ass.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:34 PM

Also, does anyone actually think this Iranian government will engage in discussion with any "western" powers? AFAIK, the US embassy's closed and UK-Iranian relations have majorly soured over the last year.


Umm...the US embassy didn't so much close as was attacked by islamists. A little thing called the Iran Hostage Crisis:

http://en.wikipedia...._hostage_crisis

The UK closed its embassy with Iran after Iran failed to protect it:

http://www.guardian....iplomats-tehran

The failure of the Iranian government to protect foreign embassies was a major reason for the withdrawal of the Canadian embassy.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:43 PM

It is obvious that something is up.
Neocons are usually pro-military and seek to build strength. The problem is too many Canadian kids are more interested in playing Call of Duty instead of serving our country.


So is Obama a Neo-Con too? He is willing to use military action if diplomacy fails.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:54 PM

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Hell yeah!


(lol at Canadian 'ultra-patriots')


I actually 'lolled'

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:05 PM

Good the Iranian government is a joke. Even more so than ours.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:51 PM

Both these posts are unbelievably ignorant.

So much for "dialogue" .. Iran could wipe our armed forces out in 30 minutes .. maybe keeping diplomatic channels open is a better option? .. freekin' Neo-con "posers" .. :lol:


Iran could wipe out our armed forces? :picard:

The Canadian Forces are considered to be among the top militarys in the world. We just don't spend as much as other countries do so we don't possess cutting edge technology, although the tech we use is still very advanced. Also because of the lower budget there aren't unliminted spaces, and thus it is also small in comparison to some countries armys. However that being said, one of the things that makes us elite is how thoroughly we train our soldiers, in contrast with most militarys whose training process lasts just a few weeks to a few months. Just as a side note, the Canadian Special Forces (specifically the JTF2) are so elite, that they are the only special forces that the Americans will work with on missions where they need help.

From Wikipedia:

In 2004, an estimated 40 members of JTF2 serving with Task Force KBAR were awarded the Presidential Unit Citation by the U.S. government for service in Afghanistan. While serving with Task Force K-Bar, commander Rear Admiral Robert Harward, a US Navy SEAL, stated that the JTF2 team under his command was his first choice for any direct action.[8] Very little is known on JTF2 operations in Afghanistan, but during a conference the former Chief of Defence Staff, General Rick Hillier, stated that JTF2 is in "high demand" and that they are considered to be "world class.


and

In his book Enduring the Freedom, Sean M. Maloney reported that during operations in Afghanistan, Canada's JTF2 was the only foreign unit accepted to join American Tier 1 special operations units, such as 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) and DEVGRU in Task Force 11 whose job it was to hunt high value al-Qaeda and Taliban personnel and to conduct sensitive site exploitation.




It is obvious that something is up.
Neocons are usually pro-military and seek to build strength. The problem is too many Canadian kids are more interested in playing Call of Duty instead of serving our country.


Wrong. The waiting lists to get into the Canadian military are huge, and there are very limited spots open to new recruits. Go to Forces.ca and have a look yourself, as of right now there are only 6 occupations which need new recruits.

Edited by TheClumsyGoalie, 07 September 2012 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:58 PM

I have many friends who serve in the US and Canadian military, and they have my utmost respect and adoration. They have all volunteered to do something that most of us do not have the guts to do.

As for some macro evil intent, what is wrong with trying to ensure your livelihood. Iran gets nukes, Iran will use it. Heck, go to the mosque in Tehran every Friday and listen to the people chant "Death to Israel" and then listen to the Iranian president talks of extriminating those Jewish rats, while compounding all of this by an eschatological religious view about the imminence of Mahdi's arrival.


Whats that , go and kill people in other countries for no good reason . that does not take guts , that takes stupidity .
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:03 PM

Whats that , go and kill people in other countries for no good reason . that does not take guts , that takes stupidity .


Things aren't as black and white as you seem to think.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:07 PM

So much for "dialogue" .. Iran could wipe our armed forces out in 30 minutes .. maybe keeping diplomatic channels open is a better option? .. freekin' Neo-con "posers" .. :lol:


Just as a point of discussion TL, any attack on Canada would be an attack on all of NATO.

Iran's military wouldn't last 30 minutes after the $h!t storm that would accompany a certain coordinated retaliatory NATO strike.

"You **** with one of us, you **** with all of us"...to paraphrase their motto. B)

I don't agree with the Embassy closure though...so i'm with you on that.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:09 PM

Both these posts are unbelievably ignorant.



Iran could wipe out our armed forces? :picard:

The Canadian Forces are considered to be among the top militarys in the world. We just don't spend as much as other countries do so we don't possess cutting edge technology, although the tech we use is still very advanced. Also because of the lower budget there aren't unliminted spaces, and thus it is also small in comparison to some countries armys. However that being said, one of the things that makes us elite is how thoroughly we train our soldiers, in contrast with most militarys whose training process lasts just a few weeks to a few months. Just as a side note, the Canadian Special Forces are so elite, that they are the only special forces that the Americans will work with on missions where they need help.



Wrong. The waiting lists to get into the Canadian military are huge, and there are very limited spots open to new recruits. Go to Forces.ca and have a look yourself, as of right now there are only 6 occupations which need new recruits.


Not to mention JTF2 who are one of the most saught after allied special forces unit. It's said that only JTF2 and SAS were accepted to work with the most elite American SEAL and DELTA teams. The JTF2 was also awarded The Presidential Unit Citation, originally called the Distinguished Unit Citation, is awarded to units of the Armed Forces of the United States and allies for extraordinary heroism in action against an armed enemy on or after 7 December 1941 (the date of the Attack on Pearl Harbor and the start of American involvement in World War II). The unit must display such gallantry, determination, and esprit de corps in accomplishing its mission under extremely difficult and hazardous conditions so as to set it apart from and above other units participating in the same campaign.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:18 PM

Just as a point of discussion TL, any attack on Canada would be an attack on all of NATO.

Iran's military wouldn't last 30 minutes after the $h!t storm that would accompany a certain coordinated retaliatory NATO strike.

"You **** with one of us, you **** with all of us"...to paraphrase their motto. B)

I don't agree with the Embassy closure though...so i'm with you on that.


Oh I know we are a part of NATO .. I was a history major .. our military against theirs tho? .. straight up? .. we would get our arses handed to us .. maybe it would take longer than 30 minutes .. it would just FEEL like 30 minutes ..

Beyond the logistics of us ever meeting face to face, we are fooling ourselves .. a few snipers does not a military make ..
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

This ones for you Clumsy Goalie: note the Aussies are ahead of us the Philippines etc .. 12th versus 25th ..

Here is the link .. sorry for the crap: http://www.globalfirepower.com/


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

Oh I know we are a part of NATO .. I was a history major .. our military against theirs tho? .. straight up? .. we would get our arses handed to us .. maybe it would take longer than 30 minutes .. it would just FEEL like 30 minutes ..

Beyond the logistics of us ever meeting face to face, we are fooling ourselves .. a few snipers does not a military make ..


There would never be a situation however, where their military goes up against ours solely though....other than in thoughts experiments perhaps.

Still, what makes you believe that their military would literally walk over ours?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

I have many friends who serve in the US and Canadian military, and they have my utmost respect and adoration. They have all volunteered to do something that most of us do not have the guts to do.

As for some macro evil intent, what is wrong with trying to ensure your livelihood. Iran gets nukes, Iran will use it. Heck, go to the mosque in Tehran every Friday and listen to the people chant "Death to Israel" and then listen to the Iranian president talks of extriminating those Jewish rats, while compounding all of this by an eschatological religious view about the imminence of Mahdi's arrival.


So, when Iran manufactures (at most) a handful of nukes theyll just fire them off at other countries because.................. they have a death wish?

This is not a nation of suicide bombers.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

Things aren't as black and white as you seem to think.


i know exactly how things are thanks mate.

do you know that just before the invasion of iraq , there were moderates in power in tehran , they were slowly westernising , women were getting more freedoms including education , work and dressing like western women .
the iranians helped the US with logistics at the start of the war with iraq , US-Iran relations were improving .
then the idiot son of an asshole came out with his axis of evil comments , the moderate mullahs could not believe it . bush kept persisting with his comments and this enabled the hard line mullahs to regain their power and the rest is history .

do you know who are the real losers here are , the iranian people especially the women , their hard won freedoms are gone .

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 07 September 2012 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:45 PM

This ones for you Clumsy Goalie: note the Aussies are ahead of us the Philippines etc .. 12th versus 25th ...


Did you even read the webpage that you posted? Or did you just plunk in "top ranked militarys" then post whatever came up first?

From that website:

Therefore GFP comparisons are for consideration in a conventional war based solely on each individual nation's capabilities on land, at sea and through the air while including logistical and financial aspects when waging total war. Sources


We don't have a massive budget or population like most of the top countries do, so of course we're ranked lower. However what matters most is that the militaries are ranked according to their capabilities when waging TOTAL WAR. Do you know what that means? That means that every man, woman, and child are focusing their efforts on defeating the enemy. A logistical nightmare. No country will ever wage total war again like they did in WW2, WW1, etc. because of one simple factor. Nukes.

Wikipedia:

Since the end of World War II, no industrial nations have fought such a large, decisive war. This is likely due to the availability of nuclear weapons, whose destructive power would offset any advantage victory might bring. Where full mobilization of a country's resources such as in World War II could take years, full mobilization of a nuclear arsenal would take days. Such weapons are developed and maintained with relatively modest peace time defense budgets.


Therefore that list you posted is totally irrelevant. Also, the website itself seems to just be a hub for military fanatics, and doesn't look to be official or authoritative in any way.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

i know exactly how things are thanks mate.

do you know that just before the invasion of iraq , there were moderates in power in tehran , they were slowly westernising , women were getting more freedoms including education , work and dressing like western women .
the iranians helped the US with logistics at the start of the war with iraq , US-Iran relations were improving .
then the idiot son of an asshole came out with his axis of evil comments , the moderate mullahs could not believe it . bush kept persisting with his comments and this enabled the hard line mullahs to regain their power and the rest is history .

do you know who are the real losers here are , the iranian people especially the women , their hard won freedoms are gone .


No. The same small group of religious figures have been in power since the revolution. The president and the elected officials are just figure heads who do whatever the Ayatollahs tell them.

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid has been in power since 1989.

The reason why the reformists lost in the 2004 election was because the Ayatollahs banned the majority of the reformists from running:

http://en.wikipedia...._election,_2004

Out of a possible 285 seats (5 seats are reserved for religious minorities: Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians), the participating reformist parties could only introduce 191 candidates.


It had absolutely nothing to do with Bush.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:54 PM

Just to throw this out there as well:

Canada's annual Defence budget = approx $21 billion

Iran's annual Defence Budget = approx $9 billion
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:56 PM

Then go enlist.
I'll send you a goodbye from the comfort of my living room on the knowledge I'm not putting my life at risk for something I don't care about.


Then you clearly hate freedom.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:57 PM

No. The same small group of religious figures have been in power since the revolution. The president and the elected officials are just figure heads who do whatever the Ayatollahs tell them.

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid has been in power since 1989.

The reason why the reformists lost in the 2004 election was because the Ayatollahs banned the majority of the reformists from running:

http://en.wikipedia...._election,_2004



It had absolutely nothing to do with Bush.


dream on buddy , IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BUSH .
it was bush's comments that allowed the hardliners to do what they did .

we all know what your agenda is !
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:00 PM

Then you clearly hate freedom.


why does jagermiester hate freedom ?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:05 PM

dream on buddy , IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BUSH .
it was bush's comments that allowed the hardliners to do what they did .

we all know what your agenda is !


Allowed them "to do what they did"?

The Ayatollahs do what they want. Remember those protests where millions of poeople hit the streets demanding reform (the ones that happened after Bush). The Ayatollahs lined the streets with snipers and opened fire.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:05 PM

Did you even read the webpage that you posted? Or did you just plunk in "top ranked militarys" then post whatever came up first?

From that website:



We don't have a massive budget or population like most of the top countries do, so of course we're ranked lower. However what matters most is that the militaries are ranked according to their capabilities when waging TOTAL WAR. Do you know what that means? That means that every man, woman, and child are focusing their efforts on defeating the enemy. A logistical nightmare. No country will ever wage total war again like they did in WW2, WW1, etc. because of one simple factor. Nukes.

Wikipedia:



Therefore that list you posted is totally irrelevant. Also, the website itself seems to just be a hub for military fanatics, and doesn't look to be official or authoritative in any way.


Spin it any way you want .. our Canadian military is, for the most part, a joke .. and I am happy for that .. I have had 3 relatives serve in the Afghan situation and had many relatives serve and die for Canada .. what they died for only history can judge ..

Statistically, I would love to see you do more than pull your "info" out of your nether region .. based on statistics I have found, Canada has the 54th ranked Armed Forces group by size, Iran is 6th .. we have 128,000 folk in uniform and Iran has 3,833,000 .. do our snipers have that many bullets do you think? ..
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:15 PM

why does jagermiester hate freedom ?


Because:

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." - George Bush

".. either stand with us or with the child pornographers" - Vic Toews

"Whoever is not with me is against me..." - Jesus Christ
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:16 PM

Allowed them "to do what they did"?

The Ayatollahs do what they want. Remember those protests where millions of poeople hit the streets demanding reform (the ones that happened after Bush). The Ayatollahs lined the streets with snipers and opened fire.


what like when the national guard in america fired into an unarmed crowd at kent state university , and killed innocent protesters ?

and of course the hardline mullahs have minority rule , and do what they please , but bush's comments made moderate iranians show more support for the hardline religious freaks and thats when they ramped up their crackdown .
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:17 PM

Because:

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." - George Bush

".. either stand with us or with the child pornographers" - Vic Toews

"Whoever is not with me is against me..." - Jesus Christ


I have never seen you group your three "heroes" so openly .. you never fail to surprise .. B)
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:22 PM

Spin it any way you want .. our Canadian military is, for the most part, a joke .. and I am happy for that .. I have had 3 relatives serve in the Afghan situation and had many relatives serve and die for Canada .. what they died for only history can judge ..

Statistically, I would love to see you do more than pull your "info" out of your nether region .. based on statistics I have found, Canada has the 54th ranked Armed Forces group by size, Iran is 6th .. we have 128,000 folk in uniform and Iran has 3,833,000 .. do our snipers have that many bullets do you think? ..


It's a fair point you make, however, modern warfare starts with air superiority. Canada has that when matched next to Iran, even if we only have 70 CF-18's compared their 28 F-14's, 48 Mig 29's, and 6 F1 Mirage's.

It would be a turkey shoot for Canada's superior aircraft, weapons systems, and avionics.

After that, Canada controls the skies....after that, all other Iranian ground based weapon systems are sitting ducks.

Advantage: The syrup sucking iceholes.
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#59 Sharpshooter

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:24 PM

I have never seen you group your three "heroes" so openly .. you never fail to surprise .. B)


One who could walk on water and two who have water on the brain.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

One who could walk on water and two who have water on the brain.


Ha ha ha .. good one, Centurion, good one .. :lol: .. later, man ..
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