Ray_Cathode Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 What centers are on that list? Zezel? Linden? almost Sakic-Forsberg comparable, due to the elite skills of Zezel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheels22 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Wheels22 stating Odjick 27,murzyn 31,Mclean 31 pass their prime ? Only Babyck was 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I prefer to reminisce about the early 90s, when the Canucks were an explosive offensive team with great goaltending and were simply exciting to watch all the time. The late 90s were awful and I hate thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Well, he did make multiple trades to be able to draft both of the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Since Hockey news a lil slow and non existent now, I thought I might promote some discussion, as I was wondering myself ? How does the 1997 Canucks Team with a roster consisting of Pavel Bure Trevor Linden Alexander Mogilny Marcus Naslund Todd Bertuzzi Martin Gelinas Geoff Sanderson Brad May Peter Zezel Gino Odjick Donald Brashear Mattias Ohlund Jyrki Lumme Adrian Aucoin Bryan Mcabe Dana Murzyn Grant Ledyard Steve Staios Kirk Mclean Sean Burke Arturs Irbe Corey Hirsch Not only did they not compete for the Stanley Cup, But they did not even make the Playoffs ? I dont think its as easy to blame Messiers presence He was still a good player and wanted to win As did the Canucks with Many Leadership qualities among them I dont remember much of these times,but they looked like they had a good mix of Skill, Speed, Toughness, Leadership, Veterans, Youth Goaltending Keenan was the coach It looks like Todays team would have a tough time beating this one (on paper anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winacup Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 cuz they're the canucks. what's changed? they're still cupless 15 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Since Hockey news a lil slow and non existent now, I thought I might promote some discussion, as I was wondering myself ? How does the 1997 Canucks Team with a roster consisting of Pavel Bure Trevor Linden Alexander Mogilny Marcus Naslund Todd Bertuzzi Martin Gelinas Geoff Sanderson Brad May Peter Zezel Gino Odjick Donald Brashear Mattias Ohlund Jyrki Lumme Adrian Aucoin Bryan Mcabe Dana Murzyn Grant Ledyard Steve Staios Kirk Mclean Sean Burke Arturs Irbe Corey Hirsch Not only did they not compete for the Stanley Cup, But they did not even make the Playoffs ? I dont think its as easy to blame Messiers presence He was still a good player and wanted to win As did the Canucks with Many Leadership qualities among them I dont remember much of these times,but they looked like they had a good mix of Skill, Speed, Toughness, Leadership, Veterans, Youth Goaltending Keenan was the coach It looks like Todays team would have a tough time beating this one (on paper anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 I really can't tell if you're being serious or not. You do realise Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund, in 1997, were not dominant players right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Really you want to know why, well I'll tell you 2 names pay attention, Mark Messier first, Mike Keenan 2nd. That's all you need to know, and answers everything you want to know, to why the Canucks were a FAIL at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahma Bull Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Lack of chemistry, heart, determination and a winning game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 cuz they're the canucks. what's changed? they're still cupless 15 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowelPower12 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 messier was well past his prime, naslund and bertuzzi hadn't become stars yet, lots of the players hated mike keenan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thema Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Unless I'm mistaken this list doesn't even include the Canucks player of the year that year, the illustrious brown noser Brian Noonan (who played exactly 6 more NHL games after that year). Want to guess who did the selecting for this award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_ws Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 The late 90s in particular were a very lousy time to be a sports fan in Vancouver, with the Canucks and Grizzlies losing so much. Dark days indeed. Thank god we are long past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksBruins Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I remember that season, even have old Hockey News magazines and books from the late 90s. Anytime I get upset with the current Canucks, I look over that team. I won't even consult those books for this though. Pavel Bure - He stopped playing the physical game. He never stopped scoring, but he was streaky and it was obvious he wasn't happy in Vancouver and that he wanted out. Trevor Linden - He did not mesh with Keenan at all. Few did. Mark Messier - He was a total disaster in Vancouver through injury and unrealistic expectations heaped on him by the team and fans alike. Alexander Mogilny - No one floated more than Mogilny. He was invisible and disinterested a LOT. Marcus Naslund - As others have said, Markus (not Marcus) wasn't the 40 goal scorer he would become and was also a disaster early on in his Canucks career. Todd Bertuzzi - He had injury issues and took time to develop as power forwards do. Martin Gelinas - He was the one Canuck I was really upset over losing from that era, probably moreso than Greg Adams or Cliff Ronning who went a few years earlier. Geoff Sanderson - He was a plug in Vancouver. He was very overrated and streaky. Brad May - Why is he on the list? He was a decent fourth line guy, but never a game breaker. Peter Zezel - Tail end of his career when he came to Vancouver. Not a top 6 guy at that point. Gino Odjick - His days as a useful third line guy were done then. Donald Brashear - He wound up scoring eleven goals one season more due to a lack of anyone to play ahead of him than anything else. Mattias Ohlund - Rookie, talented, not a game breaker at that point either though. Jyrki Lumme - On his way out the door, no one on the blueline has ever made me shout "Shoot the puck!" more than Lumme. Adrian Aucoin - He had a couple of decent seasons, but he was young at that point as well. Bryan Mcabe - McCabe would become a good defenceman and then get shipped out to get us the Sedins. In 97, he was still starting out. Dana Murzyn - Great team guy, but a total pylon. Grant Ledyard - He barely played for the Canucks, career was done when he got here. Steve Staios - I am honestly surprised at the career he has put together since he was very average and lacked anything that made him look like a full time NHLer when he was here. Kirk Mclean - Some careers slowly go downhill. Others steamroll into oblivion. McLean steamrolled. Sean Burke - He never got a chance to prove himself in Vancouver. He came and went quickly after, part of the goalie graveyard issue. Arturs Irbe - He was the most talented goaltender we had in the late 90s, but he was short so Keenan wanted him gone. It still baffles me that they let him go. Corey Hirsch - There were flashes from Hirsch, but he never showed enough to convince anyone he was a starter at any point. So, yeah, there isn't a good Canucks story to be had with any of these players at that time. The ownership was a joke, GM position in shambles, coaching without a plan and a team that didn't want to play in Vancouver and barely seemed to like each other some nights. They played like a team that was trying not to lose instead of a team that wanted to win. This is why I appreciate the team the Canucks have now that much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowelPower12 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 The late 90s in particular were a very lousy time to be a sports fan in Vancouver, with the Canucks and Grizzlies losing so much. Dark days indeed. Thank god we are long past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I remember that season, even have old Hockey News magazines and books from the late 90s. Anytime I get upset with the current Canucks, I look over that team. I won't even consult those books for this though. Pavel Bure - He stopped playing the physical game. He never stopped scoring, but he was streaky and it was obvious he wasn't happy in Vancouver and that he wanted out. Trevor Linden - He did not mesh with Keenan at all. Few did. Mark Messier - He was a total disaster in Vancouver through injury and unrealistic expectations heaped on him by the team and fans alike. Alexander Mogilny - No one floated more than Mogilny. He was invisible and disinterested a LOT. Marcus Naslund - As others have said, Markus (not Marcus) wasn't the 40 goal scorer he would become and was also a disaster early on in his Canucks career. Todd Bertuzzi - He had injury issues and took time to develop as power forwards do. Martin Gelinas - He was the one Canuck I was really upset over losing from that era, probably moreso than Greg Adams or Cliff Ronning who went a few years earlier. Geoff Sanderson - He was a plug in Vancouver. He was very overrated and streaky. Brad May - Why is he on the list? He was a decent fourth line guy, but never a game breaker. Peter Zezel - Tail end of his career when he came to Vancouver. Not a top 6 guy at that point. Gino Odjick - His days as a useful third line guy were done then. Donald Brashear - He wound up scoring eleven goals one season more due to a lack of anyone to play ahead of him than anything else. Mattias Ohlund - Rookie, talented, not a game breaker at that point either though. Jyrki Lumme - On his way out the door, no one on the blueline has ever made me shout "Shoot the puck!" more than Lumme. Adrian Aucoin - He had a couple of decent seasons, but he was young at that point as well. Bryan Mcabe - McCabe would become a good defenceman and then get shipped out to get us the Sedins. In 97, he was still starting out. Dana Murzyn - Great team guy, but a total pylon. Grant Ledyard - He barely played for the Canucks, career was done when he got here. Steve Staios - I am honestly surprised at the career he has put together since he was very average and lacked anything that made him look like a full time NHLer when he was here. Kirk Mclean - Some careers slowly go downhill. Others steamroll into oblivion. McLean steamrolled. Sean Burke - He never got a chance to prove himself in Vancouver. He came and went quickly after, part of the goalie graveyard issue. Arturs Irbe - He was the most talented goaltender we had in the late 90s, but he was short so Keenan wanted him gone. It still baffles me that they let him go. Corey Hirsch - There were flashes from Hirsch, but he never showed enough to convince anyone he was a starter at any point. So, yeah, there isn't a good Canucks story to be had with any of these players at that time. The ownership was a joke, GM position in shambles, coaching without a plan and a team that didn't want to play in Vancouver and barely seemed to like each other some nights. They played like a team that was trying not to lose instead of a team that wanted to win. This is why I appreciate the team the Canucks have now that much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 EGO's . coach leadership. goaltending was inconsistent at the best of time for all the net minders invovled. plus Murzyn who one of the worst d-men to ever suit up for the nucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsey Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I wasn't properly into the Canucks and the NHL for that matter until the early 2000's. I know the late 90's were a dark time and when you see a team on paper you can't assume they will win the cup. I mean this time last year I thought Canucks looked better than the previous year and we were knocked out in the first round. Never thought LA would even be in the finals to begin with, yet they won the cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCityScout Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 other teams were obviously a lot stronger and more skilled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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