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#1 Red-Haired_Shanks

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 05:13 PM

edited proposals

-Vancouver trades D Keith Ballard and a 2013 4th round draft pick to Philadelphia for D Brandon Manning, 2013 2nd

Philly needs help on there back end with several of there core players being out with injuries. there defense as is stand is very week and and prospects aren't going to fill that void, Ballard despite being used as a bottom pairing player can move the puck well, is very fast and his hip checks are amazing. Ballard can excel in the increased minuets of Philly and possibly a top 4 d-man for them like he was with Phoenix and Florida. We get a decent defense prospect from BC and a couple of draft picks for this year and the next, we also unload Ballard's contract to free up cap space

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-Vancouver trades 2013 2nd and F Dale Weise to Toronto for D Cody Franson's rights baring he doesn't negotiate a contract extension with the Leafs. would that be enough to get Franson away from the Leafs?
sign Franson 2 years 4.5mill @2.25mill cap hit.

it doesn't seem that Franson will sign with the leafs so this is our chance to steal him from them. he is a big gritty d-man who can make our back end more imposing and intimidation to play against. just the kind of guy we need plus he is from BC.


-Vancouver trades G Roberto Luongo, D Yann Sauve and 2013 4th rounders to Florida for C/LW Quinton Howden, D Cody Robak, G Jose Theodore, 2013 2nd round draft pick

Florida gets an allstar goalie who can carry them to the playoffs despite them losing some significant players, a projected bottom pairing d-man with size as well as 3rd and 4th round draft picks. Vancouver gets 2 B+ prospects, a Veteran Backup goalie(if he agrees to waive his NTC) and a 2nd round draft pick to replace the one we lost in the Franson signing. Howden is a big player who has potential to be a 2nd line scoring winger, Robak is a decent defensive defense man with top 4 potential. hes like Bieksa


Roster after trades and point predictions: full 82 game season

D.Sedin(37G, 46A, 83Pts) H.Sedin(23G, 69A, 92Pts) Burrows(32G, 26A, 58Pts)

Booth(29G, 25A, 54Pts) Kesler(26G, 29A, 55Pts *62GP) Raymond(27G, 22A, 49Pts)

Higgins(19G, 24A, 43Pts) Malholtra(13G, 18A, 31Pts) Hansen(12G, 20A, 32Pts)

Volpatti(2G, 3A, 5Pts) Lapierre(8G, 10A, 18Pts) Kassian(10G, 7A, 17Pts)

Ebbett(5G, 7A, 12Pts) Schroeder(7G, 12A, 19Pts, 24GP)



Bieksa(11G, 27A, 38Pts +29) Hamhuis(7G, 29A, 36Pts, +31)

Garrison(15G, 32A, 47Pts, +13) Edler(11G, 39A, 50Pts, +7)

Franson(8G, 13A, 21Pts, +11) Tanev(5G, 9A, 14Pts, +19)

Alberts(2G, 4A, 6Pts, +1)

Schneider(2.27GAA, .923S%, 56GP, 40W)

Theodore(2.56GAA, .916S%, 21GP, 13W)

Lack(2.03GAA, .931S%, 5GP, 3W)*call up due to Theodre injury

Edited by Red-Haired_Shanks, 08 September 2012 - 10:05 PM.

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#2 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:42 PM

Leafs match the Offer Sheet. So we give up Ballard for very little and create a hole.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:47 PM

Yep, Leafs would match.
Theodore also doesn't want to waive his clause to come here.

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 06:54 PM

No to the first trade, leafs match offer sheet, no to the second trade
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#5 Red-Haired_Shanks

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:37 PM

Yep, Leafs would match.
Theodore also doesn't want to waive his clause to come here.

I am aware, thats why i said if he agrees to waive to come here in the explanation

No to the first trade, leafs match offer sheet, no to the second trade

can you explain why you say no to those trades? are the edited trades better and more plausible than the originals?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

Philly needs D so they could keep Manning. Not bad though. I would add whatever else to Ballard to get Max Talbot. And your stats prediction aren't realistic as Kassian wouldn't get 16 goals playing 4th line minutes.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:02 PM

Philly needs D so they could keep Manning. Not bad though. I would add whatever else to Ballard to get Max Talbot. And your stats prediction aren't realistic as Kassian wouldn't get 16 goals playing 4th line minutes.


true i expect a lot from kassian i will adjust the points
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:14 PM

true i expect a lot from kassian i will adjust the points

I'd say these could be his point totals if he were to play on either the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th lines

1st line: 25 goals, 30 assists (Sedin factor ;) )
2nd line: 20 goals, 15 assists
3rd line: 11 goals, 20 assists (Hodgson like points)
4th line: 5 goals, 4 assists

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:22 AM

Booth(29G, 25A, 54Pts) Kesler(26G, 29A, 55Pts *62GP) Raymond(27G, 22A, 49Pts)

Raymond getting 27 goals? Well, I guess one can wish..

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:18 PM

Raymond getting 27 goals? Well, I guess one can wish..


i think he will have a bounce-back year. this is a make or break year for him if he doesnt perform he will be done for and if he does than we get a good player. i still believe in mayray
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

i think he will have a bounce-back year. this is a make or break year for him if he doesnt perform he will be done for and if he does than we get a good player. i still believe in mayray

Well the only way he can go is up, so I guess you could be on to something :)

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:33 AM

It's almost like there wasn't an impending lockout or something on the horizon.

Proposals need to stop being made, short of a Christmas miracle, 8 days of Hanukkah miracles, the rebirth of Allah and the Dalai Lama single handedly ending Chinese oppression of Tibet, the NHL will be locking out the NHLPA come September 15th, 2012.

Now, I'm no seer and I cannot predict the future, but what I can predict is the trending behaviour of both parties to continue for the foreseeable future. Both sides are digging in and preparing for trench warfare. This lockout will more than likely cause the entire loss of the 2012-2013 season.

What does this have to do with proposals? Everything, if the season is lost to lockout all these "injuries" teams are facing are rendered moot with the individuals essentially having an entire calendar year to recuperate. Even if the season starts late which would be a miracle in itself, there would still likely be time for players to properly recoup.

On the flip side of that, it would benefit us in that contracts signed carry forward, so Mason Raymond could spend an entire season playing in Europe somewhere, gain his confidence back and have that "bounce back" season we're all so hoping he might have. Likewise, this situation could prove helpful to Kassian, Jensen and Shroeder and Gaunce.

If the owners win their salary roll back request, and the cap goes down significantly we could still potentially have a helluva team if Raymond, Kassian, Jensen, Shroeder and Gaunce all emerge.

I close off this rant by giving this proposal a solid two thumbs down.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:25 PM

the leafs wouldnt move franson for that, mind you if luongo went to toronto he would probably be part of the return. and theres no way defence starved philly trades a defenceman for keith ballard.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:28 PM

It's almost like there wasn't an impending lockout or something on the horizon.

Proposals need to stop being made, short of a Christmas miracle, 8 days of Hanukkah miracles, the rebirth of Allah and the Dalai Lama single handedly ending Chinese oppression of Tibet, the NHL will be locking out the NHLPA come September 15th, 2012.

Now, I'm no seer and I cannot predict the future, but what I can predict is the trending behaviour of both parties to continue for the foreseeable future. Both sides are digging in and preparing for trench warfare. This lockout will more than likely cause the entire loss of the 2012-2013 season.

What does this have to do with proposals? Everything, if the season is lost to lockout all these "injuries" teams are facing are rendered moot with the individuals essentially having an entire calendar year to recuperate. Even if the season starts late which would be a miracle in itself, there would still likely be time for players to properly recoup.

On the flip side of that, it would benefit us in that contracts signed carry forward, so Mason Raymond could spend an entire season playing in Europe somewhere, gain his confidence back and have that "bounce back" season we're all so hoping he might have. Likewise, this situation could prove helpful to Kassian, Jensen and Shroeder and Gaunce.

If the owners win their salary roll back request, and the cap goes down significantly we could still potentially have a helluva team if Raymond, Kassian, Jensen, Shroeder and Gaunce all emerge.

I close off this rant by giving this proposal a solid two thumbs down.


i see what your saying and you make some excellent points. i appreciate the feedback its great compared to the general crap people say.

the leafs wouldnt move franson for that, mind you if luongo went to toronto he would probably be part of the return. and theres no way defence starved philly trades a defenceman for keith ballard.


manning is and AHL player for them. he wouldnt be much help to them this season seeing that he is not ready for the NHL anyways. Ballard is a vet and can really help them without being a liability
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 03:29 PM

Roster after trades and point predictions: full 82 game season

D.Sedin(37G, 46A, 83Pts) H.Sedin(16G, 70A, 86Pts) Burrows(32G, 26A, 58Pts)

Booth(26G, 19A, 45Pts) Kesler(28G, 23A, 51Pts *62GP) Raymond(20G, 15A, 35Pts)

Higgins(16G, 20A, 36Pts) Malholtra(6G, 8A, 14Pts) Hansen(10G, 11A, 21Pts)

Volpatti(2G, 3A, 5Pts) Lapierre(8G, 10A, 18Pts) Kassian(8G, 7A, 15Pts)


Bieksa(8G, 25A, 33Pts +29) Hamhuis(5G, 27A, 32Pts, +31)

Garrison(11G, 25A, 36Pts, +13) Edler(10G, 42A, 52Pts, +7)

Franson(5G, 17A, 22Pts, +11) Tanev(3G, 12A, 15Pts, +19)


Edited your point predictions.
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

Yes, that's exactly what Philly needs, another defenceman who has trouble staying healthy. Yes, Philly needs D, but they don't need Ballard. Only reason Ballard is still in the NHL is cuz he signed a 6 year deal.




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