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#1 Pears

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:33 PM

IMO I think this would be a fair 1 for 1 hockey trade for both teams

To Vancouver: Derrick Brassard

To Columbus: Mason Raymond

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Brassard - Hansen
Lapierre - Malhotra - Volpatti


Umberger - Dubinsky - Atkinson
Raymond - Johansen - Anisimov
Foligno - Prospal - Dorsett
Boll - Mackenzie - Gillies

Columbus is dry on wingers so Raymond would help their depth in that position and Vancouver gets a young center who was rushed into the NHL.

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Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 09 September 2012 - 06:02 PM.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:35 PM

nah overpayment

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:38 PM

Good trade:)

Only problem it's like trading for the hell of it
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:43 PM

Not too bad but I'd rather keep Raymond. Costs less and his speed is very valuable(despite what many think)

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:57 PM

Rather keep Raymond
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:58 PM

I like this proposal, SSM. Nice one! :)

I think Raymond will be a 50 point guy again this year, though. His speed would be so hard to replace.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:58 PM

nah overpayment


Say's the guy who cant even post in the proposals section.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

I'd do it in a heartbeat, Raymond's a fast plug lol.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:13 PM

I'd rather see what Raymond is capable of after a full off season. But this could work if he still struggles.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:39 PM

I would do it. But Columbus won't. I think you're undervaluing Brassard. He had a tough year but was still a top-six player and at this point is CBJ's best offensive center. After him they're looking at either Johansen, Dubinsky or Anisimov as the number 1 center. They'll keep him.

Also, in your proposal Prospal plays center. He doesn't. The Blue Jacket's probably look something like this right now:

Umberger - Brassard - Atkinson
Prospal - Dubinsky - Johansen
Foligno - Anisimov - Dorsett
Gillies - Mackenzie - Boll

Edited by bossram, 09 September 2012 - 06:45 PM.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:03 PM

Brassard>>>Raymond

Though he would be nice to replace Kesler for awhile.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:39 PM

I would do it. But Columbus won't. I think you're undervaluing Brassard. He had a tough year but was still a top-six player and at this point is CBJ's best offensive center. After him they're looking at either Johansen, Dubinsky or Anisimov as the number 1 center. They'll keep him.
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While I agree Columbus won't do it, I don't think he's their current #1. I think they give Johansen the spot to start the season with Dubinski as the #2 and Brassard competing against them both. At the worst, they consider at least 2 of the three capable and make them earn it but I doubt they gift Brassard the top line.

They have had some issues with him the last two years but they still have hopes for him, like a less hated version of Mason. They might do it with just a little extra from our side, but depends on what we send their way.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:40 PM

While I agree Columbus won't do it, I don't think he's their current #1. I think they give Johansen the spot to start the season with Dubinski as the #2 and Brassard competing against them both. At the worst, they consider at least 2 of the three capable and make them earn it but I doubt they gift Brassard the top line.

They have had some issues with him the last two years but they still have hopes for him, like a less hated version of Mason. They might do it with just a little extra from our side, but depends on what we send their way.

Maybe something like Sauve and a 3rd as well?

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:53 PM

Maybe something like Sauve and a 3rd as well?


If we have to throw in Sauve and a 3rd, we may as well make it a 2nd and add a guy like John Moore.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:55 PM

If we have to throw in Sauve and a 3rd, we may as well make it a 2nd and add a guy like John Moore.

Didn't John Moore go to Boston? If not I don't think Columbus would want to give him up. They have a very solid blue line and good depth.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:23 PM

While I agree Columbus won't do it, I don't think he's their current #1. I think they give Johansen the spot to start the season with Dubinski as the #2 and Brassard competing against them both. At the worst, they consider at least 2 of the three capable and make them earn it but I doubt they gift Brassard the top line.

They have had some issues with him the last two years but they still have hopes for him, like a less hated version of Mason. They might do it with just a little extra from our side, but depends on what we send their way.


They gifted him the No. 1 spot with Rick Nash before.

And for Johansen's sake, I hope they don't make him the No.1. Don't throw him to the wolves yet and give him the pressure of having to produce. Let him develop slowly and properly.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:24 PM

I like it, in a way I kinda think Raymond could turn in around, but if Raymond doesn't do anything within the first month of the season then I would do this, its a good trade for both and it is nice for us since we get a center.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:57 PM

They gifted him the No. 1 spot with Rick Nash before.

And for Johansen's sake, I hope they don't make him the No.1. Don't throw him to the wolves yet and give him the pressure of having to produce. Let him develop slowly and properly.

While I haven't been keeping up with all their lineup combinations over the years, I do know they've been searching for a #1 center ever since they got Nash. They were bound to have tried him there sometime in the ~4 seasons he's played there. Regardless of what they tried, he didn't stick - and he's been in the doghouse on occasion to boot. He'll have to prove he belongs before they gift it to him again.

Perhaps they go with more experience there with Dubinsky (not a lot of difference, but perhaps a little) but Columbus has a history or putting young players in the deep end and hoping they can swim. Johansen should be the future for them, and lacking Nash on the top line now, they're looking for anyway to give them a boost.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:12 AM

Brassard is already as good as (or better than) Raymond, and his ceiling is sooo much higher.
No chance Columbus does it.
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:21 AM

Would be a good trade if Columbus accepts. Which the wouldn't
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:33 PM

almost seems like making a trade for the sake of making a trade, but it does solve the 3rd line centre spot, so i like it.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

I would do it. But Columbus won't. I think you're undervaluing Brassard. He had a tough year but was still a top-six player and at this point is CBJ's best offensive center. After him they're looking at either Johansen, Dubinsky or Anisimov as the number 1 center. They'll keep him.

Also, in your proposal Prospal plays center. He doesn't. The Blue Jacket's probably look something like this right now:

Umberger - Brassard - Atkinson
Prospal - Dubinsky - Johansen
Foligno - Anisimov - Dorsett
Gillies - Mackenzie - Boll


I agree, this deal makes Columbus even weaker at centre (and they're pretty weak to begin with). Besides, Brassard > Ramond so on that basis alone Columbus wouldn't make that deal.

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