Special Ed Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 We need to get everyone out of there and every place like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 ...and we're one small step closer to the middle east becoming a large sheet of glass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Religion isn't violent? Have you read the bible? It's quite evident it is. Very. Like, the most violent thing ever in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So remind me what is the difference? even atheism is a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So remind me what is the difference? even atheism is a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If the video were made on not a religious icon, but a political leader, the response would be similar. Hatred is felt across all avenues of life, not just religion. I didn't say the video justifies the actions what I'm saying is that insensitivity and intolerance leads to hatred. You of all people who criticize religion over and over again is the epitome of insensitivity. If you hold so true to your character then I dare you to speak as freely and as condescending in front of Libyan protestors right now. Would you? Obviously you wouldn't because you share exactly what I'm getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So remind me what is the difference? even atheism is a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Oh my goodness. This is tragic. Shame on the maker of the video, Sam Bacile, for not being sensitive to people's religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Religion isn't violent? Have you read the bible? It's quite evident it is. Very. Like, the most violent thing ever in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Just read this: "Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the deadly attack on the U.S. embassy should “shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world.” Clinton says the assault that killed the U.S. ambassador and three American members of his staff was committed by a “small and savage group” of militants, not by the people or government of Libya." Repeat, the attack "was committed by a “small and savage group” of militants"... Wasn't committed by Christianity...wasn't committed by Islam...was committed by a “small and savage group” of militants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan87 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The creator of the video was Jewish and the video was funded by individuals and companies with strong ties to Judaism. It is my belief that the video constitutes hate speech according to, at the very least, Canadian law. At least that was the intent of the video.As in the words of the creator "Islam is a cancer, period". If you read about Sam Becile it seems to me this level of violence was planned and predicted and that it is more right to view the video as a 5 million dollar piece of propaganda and hate speech rather than a creative and artistic freedom of expression of a Jewish perspective on Islam. This is a tragic event and I hope support is given to the families of the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Sam Bacile Mystery: All We Know Is That His Film Exists After YouTube clips of his amateurish, green-screen-heavy film "The Innocence of Muslims" or "Muslim Innocence" were translated into Arabic and led to riots in Egypt and Libya this week, Sam Bacile has become the most famous independent filmmaker in the world, despite the fact that nothing is known about his past, his roots or how he actually funded his project. Bacile had no internet presence and was a member of no social media networks prior to this incident. There are no early casting calls or production notices for the film. Nor does the film have a page on IMDB, the film database. No actors or crew members have been named or identified, and only a couple of the film's apparent backers -- fringe figures like pastor Terry Jones, Morris Sadek of the Coptic Church and Steve Klein, a "consultant" on the film who self-released an anti-Islamic book in 2010 -- have come forward to reveal themselves. What we know about Bacile and his film comes solely from his own mouth. During an interview he gave Tuesday from an undisclosed location, Bacile said he was an Israeli-American real estate developer who raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors, none of whom he identified. He doesn't appear to have a California real estate license, according to a review of online real estate databases. Using a "thick" accent, Bacile said he used 60 actors and 45 crew members and that the project was shot in 2011 over three months in California. He called Islam a "cancer" and railed on the lack of security at the American embassies. He also said he planned to go into hiding as protests escalated. Laura Rozen, who writes the Back Channel news blog for Al-Monitor, suggested that the name Sam Bacile may be a pseudonym for someone involved with the "Egyptian Coptic diaspora." Many people on Twitter have been attempting to figure out possible anagrams for the name, in case there might be a signal there. Jeffrey Goldberg, national correspondent for the Atlantic, tweeted, "Would anyone in the Jewish Twittersphere who has ever met 'SamBacile' please speak up." Though Bacile is a mystery, we do know a bit more about Steve Klein, who told the Associated Press on Wednesday that he was a "consultant" on Bacile's film. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the former Marine was part of the controversial California "Church at Kawea," near Fresno, and a member of a "secretive cohort of militant fundamentalists" preparing for war against Muslims in spring 2012. He believed that California was riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells "who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can." Klein is currently listed as the "Secretary and Founder" of Courageous Christians United, a group that protests outside of Mormon temples, mosques and abortion clinics. Leah Nelson of the SPLC said Klein founded the group back in 1977. Multiple requests for comment from Courageous Christians United have gone unreturned, but Klein himself spoke with the Atlantic's Goldberg on Wednesday afternoon. Klein told Goldberg that "Sam Bacile" is not a real name, nor is the man actually Israeli or Jewish. "All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms," Klein said. "I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign." Klein also told Goldberg that only 15 people were involved in the making of the film. "I'm taking everything about this strange and horrible episode with a grain of salt," wrote Goldberg. Amy Lemisch, the director of the California Film Commission, which issues permits for films that shoot in the state, told The Huffington Post no permits were given to anyone by the name of "Sam Bacile," nor to any project with the title of "Muslim Innocence" or "The Innocence of Muslims." If the filmmakers shot anything on state property, they would need a permit from the commission. "We went to our internal database field," she said, "and we searched under 'innocence' or 'Muslims,' and we did not issue a permit for it." A film with a supposed $5 million budget -- no small change for an independent project -- and a 45-member crew would be difficult to shoot under the radar, Lemisch said. "It means they didn't shoot on state property, a state park or a state beach," she said. "They could have shot and didn't tell anybody, or a Ranger didn't catch them. But that would be pretty hard to do without getting a permit, unless they were in the middle of the desert on private property." It's possible the filmmakers requested permits from local commissions, though without knowing where the film was shot, it's difficult to tell. HuffPost has reached out to other local commissions in California and is awaiting comment. But judging by the film itself, most of the "desert" scenes occurred in front of a green screen, so they could have been shot anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 So perhaps a Christian attempt at starting a holy-war against the Muslims by pretending to be Jewish? I could believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The creator of the video was Jewish and the video was funded by individuals and companies with strong ties to Judaism. It is my belief that the video constitutes hate speech according to, at the very least, Canadian law. At least that was the intent of the video.As in the words of the creator "Islam is a cancer, period". If you read about Sam Becile it seems to me this level of violence was planned and predicted and that it is more right to view the video as a 5 million dollar piece of propaganda and hate speech rather than a creative and artistic freedom of expression of a Jewish perspective on Islam. This is a tragic event and I hope support is given to the families of the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan87 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hate speech? Unless it incites violence it does not qualify as hate speech. Does this mean people of islamic faith are barred from making negative comments on Jewish faith, including elements of zionism? Or do the rules only apply one way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 It's a good thing none of this violence has anything to do with religion though! Right Heretic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Those are your words not mine. I'm not on either side here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan87 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm genuinly curious if you think it should apply both ways or are just Jewish people banned from being critical of islamic faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan87 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'm genuinly curious if you think it should apply both ways or are just Jewish people banned from being critical of islamic faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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