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#1 elvis15

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:57 PM

I know, I know, season previews when there might not be any games for awhile, but here goes:

Every Tuesday for the next 10 weeks Ryan Porth gets you set for a fresh NHL season with in depth looks at the Top 10 teams that will compete for Lord Stanley's Cup in the 2012-13 season.

Coming off a numbing Stanley Cup Final Game 7 home loss to Boston, the Vancouver Canucks bounced back in 2011-12 and captured their second Presidents’ Trophy in as many years. And then everything came to a screeching halt. Daniel Sedin suffered a concussion in mid-March, which was followed up by a five-game first-round exit courtesy of No. 8-seeded Los Angeles.

Pundits were left scratching their heads after coach Alain Vigneault was re-signed for two more years, which came on the heels of GM Mike Gillis receiving a five-year extension. The Canucks handed over the netminding reigns to Cory Schneider, but were unable to unloadRoberto Luongo’s gaudy contract (at least not yet). Gillis dipped into the free agency pool to sign coveted defenceman Jason Garrison.

With much of the same cast of characters still around, here are three reasons why the Canucks are and aren’t set to (finally) win their first Cup:

Why the Canucks can win it all

1. BOLD MOVE TO TURN TO CORY SCHNEIDER

Though Roberto Luongo has never captured a Vezina Trophy, he has earned his three career nominations for the award. Yes, he’s still trying to win that last game of the season, but he did win 15 times in the 2011 playoffs. That said, not everyone is made to succeed in a pressurized environment like Vancouver, where expectations have been at an all-time high in recent years. Luongo must move on from a city where he simply cannot win, with the media or the fans.

The Canucks made the bold decision in April to officially pass the torch to the 26-year-old Schneider. He may not be much of an upgrade over Luongo in terms of wins and losses, but Schneider represents a fresh start for the organization. The goalie’s overall makeup suggests he won’t crack under pressure, and as Luongo’s backup the Boston College product posted a composite 2.08 GAA and .933 save percentage over the last two years.

It just didn’t work with Luongo. If anyone has the ability to deliver that elusive Stanley Cup title to British Columbia, it’s Schneider.

2. TEAM’S OVERALL BALANCE

There may not be a team in the NHL that is as good from top to bottom as the Canucks.

Henrik and Daniel Sedin lead one of the sport’s most potent offensive attacks. Ryan Kesler, when healthy, is a top-five second-line centre and is at the forefront of a forward corps that is difficult to play against all over the ice. Defensively, Jason Garrison’s booming slap shot is a nice complement to the blue line’s two-way nature. If Luongo sticks around (doubtful), the Canucks have the league’s top goaltending duo.

Aside from personnel, the Canucks are elite in important team categories. No one is better on special teams; they are stellar at even strength; they won the Jennings Trophy in 2011 and finished fourth in goals allowed in 2011-12; they have led the West in offense in each of the last three seasons; they can dominate at home and on the road.

What can’t they do?

3. CRUCIAL PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE

Sometimes you have to experience the pain of losing before you can enjoy the ecstasy of winning. It doesn’t work for everybody (ahem… San Jose and Washington), but there are examples where it has worked.

A year after blowing a 3-0 second-round series lead, Boston went on to beat Vancouver in 2011 for the Stanley Cup. In 2008, Pittsburgh fell short of winning the Cup by two games to Detroit; the following spring they defeated those same Red Wings to win it all. Almost every team that has won since 2004 has learned valuable lessons in those recent seasons.

The Canucks had two opportunities in 2011 to claim the Cup but couldn’t finish the deal.

Their most recent playoff appearance barely qualified as such. When you add the successive playoff losses to Chicago in 2009 and 2010, Vigneault’s gang has experienced enough adversity as it is. Now they must show they have learned from those disappointments.

Why the Canucks can’t win it all

1. RYAN KESLER BREAKING DOWN?

At the age of 28, you’d hate to think Kesler is physically breaking down. But the fact he’s undergone another surgery, his third in five years, has to be worrisome. Last season it was his hip. Now it’s his shoulder, as a torn labrum had to be surgically repaired in May.

Kesler is expected to be out until November; the longer the CBA negotiations drag out, the fewer games he’ll miss. Still, the Canucks need their top two-way forward to be 100 per cent as soon as possible. It’s pretty simple: when Ryan Kesler hasn’t been Ryan Kesler in each of the last two postseasons, the Canucks have seen their Cup hopes evaporate.

The Canucks would love to get a repeat performance of 2010-11 from the Livonia, Mich., native. For Kesler it was a campaign highlighted by his 41 regular-season goals, postseason dominance and Selke Trophy win. But after all these times going under the knife, one has to wonder: Will he ever be that Ryan Kesler again?

2. LACK OF RELIABLE SECONDARY SCORING

You know what you’re getting from the Sedin twins; same with Alex Burrows when he’s the third wheel on that top line. After that, it’s anyone’s guess. Daniel Sedin’s absence was a contributing factor, but the Canucks scored just eight goals in five games against Los Angeles. They need more out of their secondary scorers, David Boothand Mason Raymond especially.

Booth, 16 goals in 56 games, failed to live up to expectations after the team acquired him from Florida last October. Meanwhile, Raymond tallied 10 goals in 55 games in an injury-shortened year. Both are important to the Canucks’ offensive success, but neither is durable or reliable.

Even though they ranked fifth in offence a season ago, the Canucks’ depth up front isn’t overwhelming. When Henrik and Daniel were both kept off the score sheet in 2011-12, the Canucks’ record was just 8-13-5. Sometimes the twins need a crutch instead of being the crutch.

3. MOUNTING PRESSURE

There isn’t much to dislike about the Canucks and their chances to go deep next spring, so it’s probably farfetched to say pressure from outside a locker room could keep any team from winning. However, the overwhelming expectations from Canucks fans and media alike can sometimes act as a negative.

Canucks fans are usually waiting for something bad to happen rather than expecting something good. And Vancouverites will have this "Stanley Cup or bust" approach as long as they’re the class of the Western Conference. Even if the Canucks put together another impressive 110-point season, it doesn’t matter unless they win in April, May and June. Players will constantly be asked all season long about the high expectations and how the season is a failure if they don’t win 16 games when they matter most.

Will it all be too much in the end?

Prediction: Vancouver challenges for their third consecutive Presidents’ Trophy and represents the Western Conference in the 2013 Stanley Cup final.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:37 PM

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

Schneider is the #1 reason we can win it all when he hasn't even played a full season yet? Putting that kind of pressure on him is going to be Luongo all over again
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

If we want Schneider to do well we should keep luongo and given then half and half and see how he or they cope
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:52 PM

I'd agree there's a bit of an oversell/undersell in a number of the points, but he'll be a big part of whether or not we can compete once Luongo's moved.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 09:57 PM

That first reason is a joke.

The second reason IS why we can win.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:05 PM

I pray we can see that kesler again..
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:53 PM

Schnieder is the #1 reason why the Canucks can win it all? Hell then he's the #1 reason why we wont win it all. He's unproven as of right now.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

Goaltending. Since McLean I can't remember a time that the Canucks didn't have a problem with goaltending.

Not having to worry about goaltending allows the team to play with more confidence. Should the Canucks be so quick to disturb such a dominant goalie duo. I say let them sort it out, play them in the playoffs the same way that they are played in the regular season. Get Luongo a cup and then move on.

For example, there is a 50/50 chance that Schneider could be injured (physically or mentally) during his first year as a starter. Wouldn't it be nice to have a healthly Luongo to start playing mid season or should Luo go down then be able to look at Shneids, its a win win.

I really don't want to see Lack as our playoff starter next year or whenever hockey is played again.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:39 PM

I NEED HOCKEY!!
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:42 AM

I love how Schnieder's the guy who can win it all for us. Little bit of pressure there.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:23 AM

Schneider is the #1 reason we can win it all when he hasn't even played a full season yet? Putting that kind of pressure on him is going to be Luongo all over again


NOT LIKE HE HAD A GAA OF 1 IN ESSENTIALLY 3 ELIMINATION GAMES AGAINST THE EVENTUAL STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS

"oh the expectations on him weren't even close to Luongo's"

YES 3 GAMES THAT POTENTIALLY MAKE HIM A MILLIONAIRE AND SET FOR LIFE

The Cory bashers need to go, Luongo is a choke artist and you're not a good fan for defending him.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:27 AM

I agree with sentiment that Kesler is the key.

Our goal tending is good enough with Cory or with Lou; a luxury.

Yes, the Twins are our best players. But, aside from tiring teams out endlessly cycling the puck, they are not a physical component. Kesler, when on, is a dominating physical player. He is way to fast for most big players he lines up against, and way to strong for most talent players. He is the guy teams cannot match up against!

A second key, a defender who can carry the puck up the ice against pressure. Teams are sending two fore-checkers up, and sitting back and intercepting breakout passes with the other 3. We are not getting the lead pass as we did in 2010/11. Its exactly where we dropped from 1st to 5th in scoring and, critically, against LA its where we also started coughing up the puck. It was not just that our scoring slowed down, and this is where, its that we gave up scoring chances in transition!

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:02 AM

10 TEAMS THAT CAN'T WIN AT ALL:

Toronto Maple Leafs - Need I say more?
Columbus Blue Jackets - Nash is gone and so is this franchise.
Carolina Hurricanes - A flurry of awful.
Edmonton Oilers - Plenty of fresh oil. But I don't think they'll ever get this engine running on all cylinders.
Calgary Flames - A hilarious and tragic example of how to completely drive a hockey franchise into the ground.
Anaheim Ducks - Not even Selanne can save this mess. What happened?
New York Islanders - They've put in a consistent effort since the miracle of '93 - Consistency in losing and losing often.
Montreal Canadiens - A rich history and a piss-poor future.
Colorado Avalanche - Joe Sakic in his prime wouldn't be able to carry this load of grabage.
Winnipeg Jets - The return of this franchise is a reminder of why it folded in the first place.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:05 AM

NOT LIKE HE HAD A GAA OF 1 IN ESSENTIALLY 3 ELIMINATION GAMES AGAINST THE EVENTUAL STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS

"oh the expectations on him weren't even close to Luongo's"

YES 3 GAMES THAT POTENTIALLY MAKE HIM A MILLIONAIRE AND SET FOR LIFE

The Cory bashers need to go, Luongo is a choke artist and you're not a good fan for defending him.


Not a good fan for defending him? Isnt that what a good fan is? Someone who actually respects and supports their own players? Instead of people like you. Calling him a choke artist? The whole team chokes not simply Luongo.

As far as Schneider, no he is not proven right now, played great last season, but thats not a full season, am I bashing him? No because its reality, he is not proven, your simply a Luongo hater, and that does not make you a "good fan"
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:20 AM

Schneider is the #1 reason we can win it all when he hasn't even played a full season yet? Putting that kind of pressure on him is going to be Luongo all over again


Gawd stop you're balling. Not every goalie cracks under pressure. This is a unique set of circumstances that are completely different than Luongo's. Making such a statment is foolhardy, ignorant, and baseless. Try waiting until the event actually happens before crying about it. Has Schneider had a chance yet or shown any evidence whatsoever of cracking under the pressure?

Not a good fan for defending him? Isnt that what a good fan is? Someone who actually respects and supports their own players? Instead of people like you. Calling him a choke artist? The whole team chokes not simply Luongo.

As far as Schneider, no he is not proven right now, played great last season, but thats not a full season, am I bashing him? No because its reality, he is not proven, your simply a Luongo hater, and that does not make you a "good fan"


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:21 AM

OMG TRADE KESLER FOR WEBER :frantic:
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:26 AM

Gawd stop you're balling. Not every goalie cracks under pressure. This is a unique set of circumstances that are completely different than Luongo's. Making such a statment is foolhardy, ignorant, and baseless. Try waiting until the event actually happens before crying about it. Has Schneider had a chance yet or shown any evidence whatsoever of cracking under the pressure?


Has he shown he can be a full time starter and play 60+ games yet? No.
Isnt blaming the fault on Luongo ignorant? When most of the time its the team infront of him that cracks under pressure? He cant rob you every game. Pretty stupid statement itself right there.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:35 AM

Gawd stop you're balling. Not every goalie cracks under pressure. This is a unique set of circumstances that are completely different than Luongo's. Making such a statment is foolhardy, ignorant, and baseless. Try waiting until the event actually happens before crying about it. Has Schneider had a chance yet or shown any evidence whatsoever of cracking under the pressure?



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Ohhh okay, we must not have many because now I understand why people think our fanbase sucks.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:47 AM

Schnieder is the #1 reason why the Canucks can win it all? Hell then he's the #1 reason why we wont win it all. He's unproven as of right now.


What exactly is your definition of "proven"? Is Luongo proven? If so, then what has he proven in the playoffs?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:58 AM

Has he shown he can be a full time starter and play 60+ games yet? No.
Isnt blaming the fault on Luongo ignorant? When most of the time its the team infront of him that cracks under pressure? He cant rob you every game. Pretty stupid statement itself right there.


Has Schneider given you any reason to believe he cant be a starter and play 60+ games? Definitely no.
Luongo's job as an "elite" goaltender is to stop pucks. He has displayed many times in very important games that he folds like a cheap tent. The whole team in front of him aren't the ones giving up 5-8 goals with regularity in playoff games.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:10 AM

10 TEAMS THAT CAN'T WIN AT ALL:

Toronto Maple Leafs - Need I say more?
Columbus Blue Jackets - Nash is gone and so is this franchise.
Carolina Hurricanes - A flurry of awful.
Edmonton Oilers - Plenty of fresh oil. But I don't think they'll ever get this engine running on all cylinders.
Calgary Flames - A hilarious and tragic example of how to completely drive a hockey franchise into the ground.
Anaheim Ducks - Not even Selanne can save this mess. What happened?
New York Islanders - They've put in a consistent effort since the miracle of '93 - Consistency in losing and losing often.
Montreal Canadiens - A rich history and a piss-poor future.
Colorado Avalanche - Joe Sakic in his prime wouldn't be able to carry this load of grabage.
Winnipeg Jets - The return of this franchise is a reminder of why it folded in the first place.


Disagree. I feel like a Joe Sakic kind of leader (and dominant player) is exactly what the Avs could use to really make them a team to watch out for. Maybe not a primary cup contender even then but a strong dark horse to be sure.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:56 AM

I'm not as positive about the Canuck outlook as that summary. Fans can dwell on Lou folding and the d-core playing poorly but the key weakness over a number of seasons has been poor secondary scoring. It has left the 1st line exposed to excessive attention and not been there to lift the team in tight situations. GMMG is addressing this problem but whether he is quick enough to still capitalize on the Twins careers is questionable.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 10:48 AM

If we want Schneider to do well we should keep luongo and given then half and half and see how he or they cope

luongo is not a team player he doenst not want to split time with a guy that is taking his job even during wins when schnieder was playing luongo looked disinterested and moping on the bench
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:01 AM

Has he shown he can be a full time starter and play 60+ games yet? No.
Isnt blaming the fault on Luongo ignorant? When most of the time its the team infront of him that cracks under pressure? He cant rob you every game. Pretty stupid statement itself right there.

canucks 3 wins in the finals vs boston sure luongo played good but thats all he needed to do the canucks out hit hussled played and shot the boston bruins in thoes 3 games but we just squeeked out the wins and boston was in everyone of thoes games due to the play of TIm Thomas what happend when we played in boston and boston controlled the play? oh yeah we got absolutly embarassed because our "elite" goalie couldnt hold us in like his counter part was doing for the other team. and then game 7 he didnt looked like he was even awake.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:03 AM

NOT LIKE HE HAD A GAA OF 1 IN ESSENTIALLY 3 ELIMINATION GAMES AGAINST THE EVENTUAL STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS

"oh the expectations on him weren't even close to Luongo's"

YES 3 GAMES THAT POTENTIALLY MAKE HIM A MILLIONAIRE AND SET FOR LIFE

The Cory bashers need to go, Luongo is a choke artist and you're not a good fan for defending him.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:48 AM

What exactly is your definition of "proven"? Is Luongo proven? If so, then what has he proven in the playoffs?


He's proven he can take the team to the finals, IMO the team proved they cannot handle the pressure.
It's too bad you're too ignorant to see that and blame only 1 person for playoff losses.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:21 PM

Wow. Just because you like a certain player, doesn't mean the other player in the same position has to be hated. I don't know why Canuck fans feel the need to do this.

I like X so Y sucks.

We have two really good goalies and yet all I ever see here is how one or the other has to suck cause the other one is better.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:58 PM

Wow. Just because you like a certain player, doesn't mean the other player in the same position has to be hated. I don't know why Canuck fans feel the need to do this.

I like X so Y sucks.

We have two really good goalies and yet all I ever see here is how one or the other has to suck cause the other one is better.

While that's a bit of a generalization that all Canucks fans do this, we see it so often it's a fair point. Objectivity is helpful people.

We're on a path where Schneids becomes our #1 and Luongo gets moved, there's no doubt about that. Nothing is 100% decided, but in that eventuality, we don't yet know that Schneids is capable of starting a majority of games. It's kind of like we wouldn't have expected Raycroft or Mason to be so poor now after their Calder Memorial trophy winning rookie seasons.

This team has a lot of good, but a fair amount of it has to come together - and come together as a team - for us to win 16 playoff games. We'll have to do that and have some luck that something doesn't happen for any of the other 15 teams in the playoffs, or at least hope all other things are considered equal as we can compete with any team in the NHL on a level playing field.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 03:49 PM

Luongo will take over starting position early into the season.
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