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#1 TACIC

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:33 PM

What do you think he could get us?We could trade him because we could the rest of the gas out of Lu and when Lu is done Lack and Cannata will be ready to be starters.IMO I think we should trade him to Toronto,Tampa(maybe?).Name others too

To Tampa:Schneider,Sauve

To Van:Lecavlier,Purcell,1st,Namestinkov

Sedin-Sedin-Lecavlier
Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Malhotra-Purcell
Kassian-Lappiere-Hansen

Hamuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Edler
Ballard-Tanev

Lu
Lack/Cannata

Or

To Tor:Schnieder,Raymond

To Van:Lupul,Franson,MacArthur,1st,Kadri

Sedin-Sedin-Lupul
Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Lappiere-Hansen
MacArthur-Malhotra-Kassian

Hamuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Edler
Franson-Ballard
Tanev

Luongo
Lack/Cannata

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 04:38 PM

Schneider = Future All Star to say the least.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:10 PM

I'm sure a [value] thread has been done on him before, but whatever it is those are not packages we'd want in return for him.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:22 PM

I wont live to see the day that theres_a_can_in_canucks makes a good post, or topic.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:39 PM

I wont live to see the day that theres_a_can_in_canucks makes a good post, or topic.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:39 PM

I dunno... a lot?
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:42 PM

Again, this is what I would trade Schneider for

A top six winger
A third line grinder/shutdown winger/center
A top 4 D man
A blue chip prospect
A 1st round pick

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:45 PM

Again, this is what I would trade Schneider for

A top six winger
A third line grinder/shutdown winger/center
A top 4 D man
A blue chip prospect
A 1st round pick

That is a pretty high demand if you want all of that. Maybe a blue chip prospect, 1st round pick and one of the other three

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 05:56 PM

That is a pretty high demand if you want all of that. Maybe a blue chip prospect, 1st round pick and one of the other three

Fair enough. Our D is set so maybe a top six winger, a blue chip prospect, and a 1st?

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:05 PM

Both teams do not make those trades. Schneider is amazing. I hope he continues to play as well as he has, but he is not proven enough to fetch us that much in return. He does carry a higher trade value than Luo but not that high. We could land a big player with him but not the teams farm as well.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:23 PM

Again, this is what I would trade Schneider for

A top six winger
A third line grinder/shutdown winger/center
A top 4 D man
A blue chip prospect
A 1st round pick


I have a Manon Rhéaume signed rookie card.

Again, This is what i would trade this card for:

- At least 200$
- A NHL jersey
- 2 Tickets for the Stanley cup final
- A hockey stick signed from Crosby
- A one year subscription to NHL center ice
- NHL 2013 game ps3 version.

Its my card, i own it,If no one want to pay my asking price, i dont care, too bad for them, i will keep my card.

My card is not for sales, but Surprisingly, no one ever been close to offer me my asking price since 1992!

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:30 PM

In my opinion Schneider is not for sale unless its drastic over payment . This is how he got him to sign for 4mil.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:12 AM

Well, that's about $13.5M in salary coming back from Tampa. Tampa also gives up arguably their best leader, best young player, best prospect, and their best pick. It's kinda like asking if you'd do this deal (assuming we had goaltending needs):

H Sedin
Edler
Gaunce
1st

Rask
Khokhlachev

I could see Schneider pulling in either

A young stud (Lucic/P Kane) and a 2nd rounder

or

An aging vet (Marleau/Iginla) and a 1st

Something in that ballpark, assuming either team was desperate for goaltending.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:49 AM

Again, this is what I would trade Schneider for

A top six winger
A third line grinder/shutdown winger/center
A top 4 D man
A blue chip prospect
A 1st round pick


So if Schneider was playing on another team right now, to acquire him, you would offer something like:

Bieksa, Burrows, Higgins, Jensen and a 1st?
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:46 PM

schneider, Raymond, 2014 first for any of:

Giroux
Stamkos
Duncan Keith
Both Schenn borthers and Matt read
Adam Henrique, Adam Larssen and 2013 first

something along these lines, so in other words... teams would have to overpay to get him

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:12 PM

schneider, Raymond, 2014 first for any of:

Giroux
Stamkos
Duncan Keith
Both Schenn borthers and Matt read
Adam Henrique, Adam Larssen and 2013 first

something along these lines, so in other words... teams would have to overpay to get him

schneider, Raymond, 2014 first for any of:

Giroux
Stamkos
Duncan Keith
Both Schenn borthers and Matt read
Adam Henrique, Adam Larssen and 2013 first

something along these lines, so in other words... teams would have to overpay to get him


Wow, no homer glasses on this thread is there. Why not ask for Crosby/Malkin while you're at it

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:05 AM

Obviously homer glasses on duhhhhh
Even said so in my post

When gillis was asked by Philly what Schneider would cost, he said Giroux, go find the quote on the Luongo discussion thread

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:02 AM

A young stud (Lucic/P Kane) and a 2nd rounder



If you value Schneider more than Lucic, then how do you explain this summer Lucic signed for 6 000 000$ while Schneider 4 000 000$

Should not the most valuable player sign the most lucrative contract?
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:38 PM

If you value Schneider more than Lucic, then how do you explain this summer Lucic signed for 6 000 000$ while Schneider 4 000 000$

Should not the most valuable player sign the most lucrative contract?

How did that work out for Wade Redden?

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

How did that work out for Wade Redden?


First thing first, when it come to compare player contract you have to compare apple with apple.

Obviously, we have to compare players who sign a contract with the same status: ELC, second contract, RFA, UFA.

Secondly, the comparison is only good shortly after the contract is signed, a single season can change a player value.

Finally, a UFA who sign with the team giving him the most $ (as Redden did) never have any trade value (shortly after they signed) since no other team in the league was willing to give them as much $.

With all this said, there is indeed a correlation with a player contract and his trade value. But we have to understand that correlation doesn't mean perfect correlation. We have to compare similar contract (ELC, RFA, UFA, Offersheet). Take into account the home discount, lenght of contract etc... And the comparison is only good shortly after a contract is signed.

Thats why Schneider vs Lucic is a good comparison and we can logically say that Lucic is more valuable around the league than Schneider, since Lucic got more $.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:43 AM

An overpayment.

Adam Henrique maybe?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:52 AM

schneider, Raymond, 2014 first for any of:

Giroux
Stamkos
Duncan Keith
Both Schenn borthers and Matt read
Adam Henrique, Adam Larssen and 2013 first

something along these lines, so in other words... teams would have to overpay to get him


God! That's a huge overpayment! Henrique, Larsson and a first?!? Are you kidding?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:05 AM

If you value Schneider more than Lucic, then how do you explain this summer Lucic signed for 6 000 000$ while Schneider 4 000 000$

Should not the most valuable player sign the most lucrative contract?


Crosby makes $8.7 million a year, Parise makes $7.5, does that mean that Parise is 86 % of the player Sidney is? No.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:41 PM

Crosby makes $8.7 million a year, Parise makes $7.5, does that mean that Parise is 86 % of the player Sidney is? No.


Did you miss my reply where i explained that the correlation between salary and value was not a perfect one?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:20 PM

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