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#1 sirwilliam

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:38 PM

Just as the title says, which of our prospects benefit from a lockout, which ones lose an opportunity?

(Not sure if this has been asked yet... I searched and found no similar topics.)

Loses: Schroeder. He had a shot at the 2nd line C position this year. If Kesler comes back before the year begins, he loses this window of opportunity.

Wins: Kassian. This is debatable, but I think a bit more AHL seasoning is exactly what he needs, especially with a great coach like Arniel.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

Kassian playing in Chicago for at least half a season is the best idea. Give him top line minutes so he can handle big game situations and improve...

Schroeder can still get better with another year down there too.. and you never know, injuries happen.. but he is still behind Ebbett on the depth chart...

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But, let's face it.. Nobody benefits from a lockout. Not really looking forward to the worst winter ever

Edited by Wheels22, 14 September 2012 - 12:56 PM.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

Schroder wins as well --- he isn't forced into a role he may not be ready for.

He will get to grow on what he was building last year, and will be able to 'steal' the 3rd line spot when the NHL season begins.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:12 PM

Id say Jensen wins, gets a full season in overseas
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:12 PM

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Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks President and General Manager Mike Gillis announced today that the Canucks have assigned the following players to the Chicago Wolves and Junior clubs.


The following players have been assigned to junior clubs:


Frank Corrado, Defence, Sudbury, OHL
Brendan Gaunce, Centre, Belleville, OHL
Evan McEneny, Defence, Kitchener, OHL

The following player has been assigned to his European club:

Nicklas Jensen Right Wing AIK SEL


The following players have been assigned to the Chicago Wolves:


Peter Andersson, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Steven Anthony, Left Wing, Chicago, AHL
Darren Archibald, Left Wing, Chicago, AHL
Joe Cannata, Goalie, Chicago, AHL
Kevin Connauton, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Guillaume Desbiens, Right Wing, Chicago, AHL
Andrew Ebbett, Centre, Chicago, AHL
Alex Friesen, Centre, Chicago, AHL
Andrew Gordon, Right, Wing Chicago, AHL
Derek Joslin, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Zack Kassian, Right Wing, Chicago, AHL
Eddie Lack, Goalie, Chicago, AHL
Alexandre Mallet, Centre Chicago, AHL
Patrick Mullen, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Adam Polasek, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Prab Rai, Centre, Chicago, AHL
Anton Rodin, Forward, Chicago, AHL
Yann Sauve, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Stefan Schneider, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Jordan Schroeder, Centre, Chicago, AHL
Bill Sweatt, Left Wing, Chicago, AHL
Chris Tanev, Defence, Chicago, AHL
Kellan Tochkin, Right Wing, Chicago, AHL


from: http://canucks.nhl.c...s.htm?id=641477


Judging by the almost all-prospect Wolves, I think our whole organization wins. I'm going to throw out a theory and flame me if you will but the 2003 and 2004 drafts were particularly deep drafts, with a majority of players drafted in the early rounds going on to fantastic careers. These players were drafted just before the 04-05 lockout which saw some of these players join their respective AHL clubs. Players like Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows all got to play a year in the AHL together against tougher competition and build friendships that have lasted their careers. Speaking more broadly to the league, guys like Staal, Parise, Cammalleri, Sharp, Bergeron, Kesler, Hamhuis, Ballard, Bouwmeester, Brown... the list goes on of young guys benefiting from increased competition at the AHL level. I fully expect a similar pattern coming out of this next lockout.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:14 PM

Add in Spezza, Wideman, Miller, Lehtonen, and it's a pretty impressive group of young guys benefiting from that AHL year.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:20 PM

Add in Spezza, Wideman, Miller, Lehtonen, and it's a pretty impressive group of young guys benefiting from that AHL year.


That's probably true. That year in the 'A' really helped Kes, Burr and Bieksa. Silver lining!

Schroeder, however, I think he's in a similar place to where Hodgson was 2 years ago, ready for some NHL appearances. I feel bad for the guy.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:23 PM

Tanev gets another year with the wolves to develop his offensive side skill. A win for him and us.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:23 PM

i think they all benefit. will be interesting to see schroeder play with a physical beast like kassian.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:03 PM

The Wolves are gonna be a good team
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

The AHL should be fairly stacked and therefore tougher competition because a lot of prospects that could be in the NHL will go there. Just like Spezza I believe in 04-05 where he cruised to a 117 point season. That helped turned him into an all star for the next few seasons following.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:13 PM

All of our good prospects win.
1 extra season of development and the possibility of being a star is beneficial.
Out of everyone Kassian gets the best deal, even though he could have been a 3rd liner this year, a year in Chicago on the 1st line (most likely) could really give him that confidence to step his offensive game up.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:21 PM

Nice to see Peter Andersson's name on that list, hopefully he turns out to be a good pick.
Looking forward to see how Rodin and Cannata do as well.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:00 PM

I think as many have said, prospects win. Get competitive, and win. I just don't want to lose NHL hockey though, Sportscenter needs to pick up Chi-Wolves here.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:43 PM

The only people I don't see benefiting from this are the 2 guys who'll be scratched every game since there's the five player cap on experience professional hockey players in the AHL. Also potentially a few of the guys who get sent down to the ECHL because of the numbers game BUT otherwise there's nothing wrong with honing the skills in the AHL against a now more competitive opposition.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

I am keenest to see how Cannata goes, well pointed out! He looks to be a stud who will break out. Chicago will have an awsome tandem!

Yup, Rodin and Andersson are skill picks. With our accent on physical players the last 14 months these guys plus the return on Lou could be amongst our key skill type guys in 4 or 5 years?





Nice to see Peter Andersson's name on that list, hopefully he turns out to be a good pick.
Looking forward to see how Rodin and Cannata do as well.


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:24 PM

Id say Jensen wins, gets a full season in overseas


That was gonna happen even if he didn't make the Nucks roster.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:52 PM

That was gonna happen even if he didn't make the Nucks roster.


but with this we send him over earlier, dont waste time bringing him back and playing split squad games
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:10 PM

It's unfortunate for us (but fortunate for the Wolves) that this will create a talent logjam. Guys like Sterling and Haydar are almost guaranteed top 6 spots.

I can imagine that Kass, Rodin and Schroeder will earn top 6 spots too, but newcomers / borderline players like Archibald, Friesen, Tochkin, Anthony, Mallet, will all have tough competition for playing time... or they'll be Kalamazoo bound.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

Excited to see Tanev,Kassian get top-minutes.
Excited for Friesen and Canata joining the team.

Hoping for improvements this year from Rodin and Sauve.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:27 PM

Great opportunity for the blue chip young guys. They get expanded minutes playing in the AHL, plus there will be a higher level of competition for them to hone their skills against. The AHL during a lockout will represent a halfway point, in terms of talent, between traditional AHL play and NHL play, what more could a player who is on the verge of making the jump from AHL to NHL ask for?

Our more seasoned and more talented prospects should relish in this opportunity, but it sure will be tough for guys just getting out of junior and trying to enter the AHL for the first time, as they will find a lot of near NHL-ready guys competing with them for jobs. It would be tough indeed to be in a position where you are a project who needs significant development in order to attempt to make the NHL, only to have your development sidelined so that someone who is already way ahead of you gets every opportunity to further the gap between themselves and projects like you, while you plug away on the fourth line or in a lesser league.

Overall it should be good for our prospect pool, as only the top guys will ever make the Canucks anyways, but a lot of our young guys who otherwise would have made good journeymen or solid AHLers may have to wait a year before seriously continuing their development. Tough on the prospects, but very good for the top prospects and from the Canucks perspective. It will be interesting to see if certain NHL clubs benefit more than others, as every NHL team has the ability to grow their prospect pool in this way, not just us.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:26 PM

All I gotta say is, if there is no season this year, the Wolves are gonna be pretty great in the AHL! =P
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

surely they all win. I mean they continue playing a sport they love while others are forced to stop all together or look at other teams and leagues and hope they can get something (if the lock out goes for an extended amount of time).

Kassian and Tanev will benefit greatly as they are already NHL ready, but more developing and getting top minutes in the minors will be great when the lock-out ends and hopefully (in Kassian's case) he will have less pressure on him...
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 08:56 PM

He's not a prospect but depending on the status of Cory Schneider, it might be a loss for him if he doesn't find a team for the lock out. This guy needs to play.

All I gotta say is, if there is no season this year, the Wolves are gonna be pretty great in the AHL! =P


The same could be said for a lot of teams.

If anything I look out for Oiler's farm team.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:37 AM

The only people I don't see benefiting from this are the 2 guys who'll be scratched every game since there's the five player cap on experience professional hockey players in the AHL. Also potentially a few of the guys who get sent down to the ECHL because of the numbers game BUT otherwise there's nothing wrong with honing the skills in the AHL against a now more competitive opposition.


Great opportunity for the blue chip young guys. They get expanded minutes playing in the AHL, plus there will be a higher level of competition for them to hone their skills against. The AHL during a lockout will represent a halfway point, in terms of talent, between traditional AHL play and NHL play, what more could a player who is on the verge of making the jump from AHL to NHL ask for?

Our more seasoned and more talented prospects should relish in this opportunity, but it sure will be tough for guys just getting out of junior and trying to enter the AHL for the first time, as they will find a lot of near NHL-ready guys competing with them for jobs. It would be tough indeed to be in a position where you are a project who needs significant development in order to attempt to make the NHL, only to have your development sidelined so that someone who is already way ahead of you gets every opportunity to further the gap between themselves and projects like you, while you plug away on the fourth line or in a lesser league.

Overall it should be good for our prospect pool, as only the top guys will ever make the Canucks anyways, but a lot of our young guys who otherwise would have made good journeymen or solid AHLers may have to wait a year before seriously continuing their development. Tough on the prospects, but very good for the top prospects and from the Canucks perspective. It will be interesting to see if certain NHL clubs benefit more than others, as every NHL team has the ability to grow their prospect pool in this way, not just us.


Agreed, pretty much these posts sum up what I think. Great for our blue-chippers, but for those coming out of junior it'll be quite a lot tougher to break in.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 03:07 AM

Nice to watch some AHL games for a few months,anyways.

Bringing all the A level talent together is going to make Wolves hockey very exciting.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:22 PM

They all win except maybe Schroeder depending on how you look at it - could be a loss only because the only chance he has really of making this team is with Kesler's injury.

However, that being said, playing another year in the AHL as the top center playing against tougher competition (now that young NHL talents have been integrated into the AHL) should be wonderful for his development.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:49 AM

Win: Tanev & Kassian. Get top minutes.
Lose: Schroeder. Will still help development. Should be in the "win less" category.
Would be an easier time breaking in to NHL with a 2C vacancy.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:47 AM

I really hope Darren Archibald can get some minutes this year. Hope he bounces back and has a good year in the A
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:47 PM

I really hope Darren Archibald can get some minutes this year. Hope he bounces back and has a good year in the A


He's sure a likeable prospect... though he hasn't proven yet that he's got what it takes. The loaded up Wolves will be a tougher roster to crack.
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