Bodee Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I'm pleased...........it would have been a bad move on our part, for a lot of money. Plus, I still think he used us but I suppose he's entitled to do what serves him best. I think offers should be "time limited" to cut all the shenanigans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 It hilarious how many prefer to see the Canucks lose at something and be proven right rather then hope to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I'm pleased...........it would have been a bad move on our part, for a lot of money. Plus, I still think he used us but I suppose he's entitled to do what serves him best. I think offers should be "time limited" to cut all the shenanigans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I know a lot of people thought he would leave Coyotes. I know a lot of people thought he would sign with a team that has a better chance at winning the cup, but to be honest I am quite happy to see him stay. Don't get me wrong I love the guy. I would have been happy for us to get him even for up to $6M. What I love about his signing is that it shows that the game still has genuine classy loyal players. With money being thrown around at players like it the GM's grow it in their backyards it's nice to see a guy stay loyal and remain with the only franchise he has ever been with no matter what the cirumstance - in this case a team that has management issues still and still needing a bit of work to be considered a cup contender. Truly hope he wins the cup one day with the Coyotes....after everything he has given to the franchise it is time for them to reward him with that at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I agree with you up to the point where you want to see a Cup in Phoenix. Sorry, but at that point, I look at loyalty in a different context, and consider the fact that the implications of Bettman-izing the NHL meant that a team moved from a Canadian market where sellouts were the norm and hockey is a way of life, in favour of the US dollar and broadcast revenue. The loyalty of the existing diehard fanbase meant nada. The era of the diversion build-a-new-uber-million$-arena-blackmail or we move elsewhere was in it's heyday. Respect Doan and his loyalty, but that's where this rose coloured story ends, and I highly doubt the decision to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix or move them will be motivated by anything like Doan's own loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I think all he meant was that he wants Doan to win a Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Is your loyalty issue really with Doan? I applaud the discussion; but its highly likely Doan simply wants his family to stay where his kids have grown up? Why Bettmen has such a fixation with poor U.S. markets, on the other hand, is a legit discussion! I agree with you up to the point where you want to see a Cup in Phoenix. Sorry, but at that point, I look at loyalty in a different context, and consider the fact that the implications of Bettman-izing the NHL meant that a team moved from a Canadian market where sellouts were the norm and hockey is a way of life, in favour of the US dollar and broadcast revenue. The loyalty of the existing diehard fanbase meant nada. The era of the diversion build-a-new-uber-million$-arena-blackmail or we move elsewhere was in it's heyday. Respect Doan and his loyalty, but that's where this rose coloured story ends, and I highly doubt the decision to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix or move them will be motivated by anything like Doan's own loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 He didn't jerk anyone around. You are creating your own drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Someone sounds a little bitter, do you want a hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 oh well.... time to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Is your loyalty issue really with Doan? I applaud the discussion; but its highly likely Doan simply wants his family to stay where his kids have grown up? Why Bettmen has such a fixation with poor U.S. markets, on the other hand, is a legit discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donky Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Shane really turned this into a protracted circle jerk. I'm glad he never signed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 uh, yeah, got it - and the "with the Coyotes" part. I think all I meant was his loyalty to them doesn't quite tip the scales to wanting to see a Cup in the desert or a vindication of Bettman moving the Jets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 no - I think you misunderstood or I was unclear - I have no issue at all with Doan's loyalty - I simply can't applaud that to the point of wishing a Cup for him in Phoenix - because of the discussion you consider legitimate. I don't support Bettman's fixation on desert markets, particularly when he took my Jets from a perfectly Canadian market to that odd-ball location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Boudrias, I get the Bettman business model - I also get the implications that it empowered US media relative to disempowering the Canadian customer/consumer. Business business, I know - that doesn't change my interests as a Canadian 'consumer' (the result was selling out to glowing pucks for CS!). In addition to looking at the books of those 30 teams, you might also look at the ratings in peripheral non-hockey markets, and ask what kind of advertising revenue NBC is reaping due to NHL presences in sleeper markets like Phoenix, Columbus, etc. The fact they moved Atlanta north might indicate that NBC wasn't terribly concerned, nor did the NHL think that move would jeopardize their relationship - no doubt, the NBC contract is primarily driven by the interests of the monster markets in the US (their coverage seems to exclusively focus on the elite teams does it not?). I'd also be interested, if the math were/could be done, to know if disregarding the gate driven revenue in Canada (albeit squeezed by the weak dollar at the time) was a move that paid off, or if the NHL lost money moving to indifferent markets and playing in front of handfuls of people (and what were the ticket prices?). Perhaps the either/or model - ie media vs gate revenue was unbalanced - as opposed to media and gate driven interests. In the end, the NHL was not only making very risky moves, but they were taking the Canadian market for granted. So when the words loyalty and Phoenix come into play, the response seems natural - how exactly does the NHL reward loyalty? I understand that Bettman later mitigated the losses by creating equalization that effectively gave life-support to Edmonton and Calgary, and a salary cap, that combined with a resurgent dollar, made the Canadian teams competitive again, but I think that he had taken it too far at that point and had to step back - abandoning all but 3 Canadian markets would have been an asinine decision in the end. Toronto may have benefitted, but no matter what, they are incapable of being competitive. They may have seen the exodus as an opportunity to capture more fans outside Onterrible to the market at the center of the world.... (jk - I'm sure the CBC, etc, was fearing the shift as well). I'll let it all go when their is another franchise in Canada to compensate for the loss of QC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Boudrias, I get the Bettman business model - I also get the implications that it empowered US media relative to disempowering the Canadian customer/consumer. Business business, I know - that doesn't change my interests as a Canadian 'consumer' (the result was selling out to glowing pucks for CS!). In addition to looking at the books of those 30 teams, you might also look at the ratings in peripheral non-hockey markets, and ask what kind of advertising revenue NBC is reaping due to NHL presences in sleeper markets like Phoenix, Columbus, etc. The fact they moved Atlanta north might indicate that NBC wasn't terribly concerned, nor did the NHL think that move would jeopardize their relationship - no doubt, the NBC contract is primarily driven by the interests of the monster markets in the US (their coverage seems to exclusively focus on the elite teams does it not?). I'd also be interested, if the math were/could be done, to know if disregarding the gate driven revenue in Canada (albeit squeezed by the weak dollar at the time) was a move that paid off, or if the NHL lost money moving to indifferent markets and playing in front of handfuls of people (and what were the ticket prices?). Perhaps the either/or model - ie media vs gate revenue was unbalanced - as opposed to media and gate driven interests. In the end, the NHL was not only making very risky moves, but they were taking the Canadian market for granted. So when the words loyalty and Phoenix come into play, the response seems natural - how exactly does the NHL reward loyalty? I understand that Bettman later mitigated the losses by creating equalization that effectively gave life-support to Edmonton and Calgary, and a salary cap, that combined with a resurgent dollar, made the Canadian teams competitive again, but I think that he had taken it too far at that point and had to step back - abandoning all but 3 Canadian markets would have been an asinine decision in the end. Toronto may have benefitted, but no matter what, they are incapable of being competitive. They may have seen the exodus as an opportunity to capture more fans outside Onterrible to the market at the center of the world.... (jk - I'm sure the CBC, etc, was fearing the shift as well). I'll let it all go when their is another franchise in Canada to compensate for the loss of QC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Way to cherry pick one sentence and not use my whole post. I said he is well within his rights to sign wherever, but that garbage about phoenix ownership was a waste of time if he was going to sign regardless of what his camp was saying. He should have never bothered to meet with any teams, so yes, I do consider it jerking us around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBag Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Right, I understood my post actually, and my response still stands. He had to check out other offers in case phoenix didn't work out for him. You interpret this as 'jerking you around' even tho he always publicly stated his first priority was Phoenix. Therefore the drama you are creating is coming form you, not Doan. No cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Could we still get Doan if the phx team folds? Be a win win for everyone... He stays loyal to his coyotes right to the end and then gets to play fit his 2nd favorite team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 OMG OMG WE LOST OUT ON WEBER, SCHULTZ, OVECHKIN AND YAKUPOV AND NOW DOAN!!! FIRE THE CANUCKS MANAGEMENT. WTF ARE AV AND GILLIS DOING. IDIOTS. OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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