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[REPORT] Francois Allaire Quits Leafs Goalie Coach Position


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#31 canucktican

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:02 PM

Who cares!! They have one of the best goaltending duo in the league!

Edited by canucktican, 18 September 2012 - 02:06 PM.


#32 elvis15

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 03:54 PM

Dreger with a tweet about St Croix now, echoing what Friedman tweeted earlier.

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If this team lets go of Sang he will burn this team next year. 

 


#33 TOMapleLaughs

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

I highly doubt that Burke regretted having to deal with the matter publicly.

Not sure if a new goaltending coach is the answer to better goaltending in TO. The answer to better numbers for a goalie there might be to move on, like Gustavsson.

Their neverending goaltending circus is very familiar. Like Burke's time here. But in Anaheim they were all just a big happy family. Hmmm...

I think if the Canucks were based in the US, they'd have a cup by now.

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#34 elvis15

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:25 PM

Burke did coin the phrase "goalie graveyard"...

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If this team lets go of Sang he will burn this team next year. 

 


#35 elvis15

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

And St Croix's son just tweeted out congrats to his dad for landing the Leafs job:

@stixy18 Congrats to the greatest guy I know for being named the new Toronto Maple Leaf 's goalie coach! Love you dad! You deserve it!


Not that they've confirmed it yet, but it sure sounds like it.

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#36 smurf47

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:40 PM

Like golatending coach, like goaltender. I guess Allaire couldn't handle the competition just like Luongo. :bigblush:

I wonder if Florida snatches him up now. If that happens I think a deal is pretty likely.

Or should the Canucks hire him? They've wanted this guy for Luongo since he arrived here. We could have one coach for Luongo, and one coach for Schneider. Clearly Melanson's style wasn't jiving with Lu. He's too set in his ways.

He's a way better goalie when he's aggressively challenging the shooters. His lateral movement isn't good enough to work with Melanson's style.

and yet..Lou had the best stats of his career under Melanson and regressed in the playoffs and last season when he reverted to Allaires style. Sorry, ya got it ass backwards chum !

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:05 PM

and yet..Lou had the best stats of his career under Melanson and regressed in the playoffs and last season when he reverted to Allaires style. Sorry, ya got it ass backwards chum !


Actually, Lu had his best stats under the best D this team has had.

Back when Lu was at his best in 06/07 was with an average D, and when he was being coached by Ian Clarke, who promoted the same aggressive style that Allaire teaches.

Lu is too set in his ways to try and change at his age. We saw him have success for short periods of time, but you could always see him slowly reverting back to the style he's comfortable with.

Edited by D-Bo7, 18 September 2012 - 05:06 PM.


#38 oldnews

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:00 PM

haha - fighting over who is to blame for the fact that the Leafs are porous. What one person could really make much of a difference? A goalie coach can't replace their sad blueline. It's the Leafs. Their best players are vacant. I mean come on, Phaneuf is their captain. Their 'best' forward floats more than a buoy. Throwing youngsters in goal and expecting the sad Leafs to be able to protect them is a losing proposition. Their whole roster needs an overhaul.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:02 PM

Hadn't seen this until today, but there were a few more updates on why Allaire left.

• In late fall, with the team trying to improve its penalty killing, assistant coach Greg Cronin wanted to have Allaire and the goalies sit in on penalty-killing meetings. Allaire didn’t want that. Cronin said he’d already talked to James Reimer.

Allaire warned Cronin not to speak to his goalies. Cronin responded in a most unfriendly way, and unrest within the staff was born.

• Ron Wilson, dismayed with how Jonas Gustavsson and Reimer were playing so passively deep in the crease, asked Allaire in early February to get them to play more aggressively. Allaire said he had no intention of altering the way his goalies were playing.

Wilson, out of sheer frustration, finally went directly to the goalies, bypassing the celebrated goalie guru. Soon, Allaire and the other coaches weren’t even on speaking terms.

• Randy Carlyle, who had worked with Allaire in Anaheim, gave the goalie coach a list of three conditions he would have to meet if he wanted to return for the 2012-13 season. The list included: working a maximum 17 days a month, including six with the Marlies, rather than being around the team every day; apologizing to the coaches on staff he had offended; and a commitment to teaching a more aggressive goaltending style.

Allaire refused to agree to any of the three conditions.


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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:06 PM

Hadn't seen this until today, but there were a few more updates on why Allaire left.


Yikes. Sounds like Allaire is a bit of a control freak with an ego.

Although if they hired him to coach the goalies, it might be kind of annoying to have other coaches try and tell you how to do things. There's always two sides to every story.

I'm sure when the Leafs were constantly losing they were looking at someone to put the blame on. SOunds like that person was Allaire. When really the real problem was that neither of their goaltenders were number 1's.

Edited by D-Bo7, 26 September 2012 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

Yikes. Sounds like Allaire is a bit of a control freak with an ego.

Although if they hired him to coach the goalies, it might be kind of annoying to have other coaches try and tell you how to do things. There's always two sides to every story.

I'm sure when the Leafs were constantly losing they were looking at someone to put the blame on. SOunds like that person was Allaire. When really the real problem was that neither of their goaltenders were number 1's.

It does depend on how the rest of the coaching staff approached him.

For instance, if Cronin was just inviting Allaire and the goalies along so he could tell them how they should play on the PK without speaking with Allaire about what would be useful considering the training he was doing, then it'd certainly be an affront to Allaire. If he involved Allaire in a discussion to try and make things work and then presented the ideas they agreed upon at the next PK meeting, then that shouldn't be an issue.

It sounded like they wanted him to teach the game differently from what his methods are. If that's the case, then you should look at a new goalie coach rather than tell him to be someone else. Certainly scaling back what he was doing to only 11 days with the Leafs and 6 with the Marlies might not have been a situation he wanted to be in either, as innocuous as it sounds.

He certainly seems like he was part of why it got out of hand in the first place, but it's likely it wasn't all handled well on either side.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

Pretty dumb for Burke to blast Allaire after the fact - especially when Allaire had already revealed that Burke had approached him with a renewal of contract for Allaire ...

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 03:32 PM

The Leafe are a mess..and i love it.




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