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#1 BuretoMogilny

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

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Interesting story.

I have been a Canucks fan for all of my young 35 years. Born and raised in Vancouver, season ticket holder for a number of years, and was there for the entire run last year including game 7.

On my twitter account I was following the above named three. I have been pretty vocal in my views of the lockout critisizing both owners and players for a number of reasons.

Firstly, I think its ludicrous in the midst of the worst recession in my lifetime, and close to a depression, that millionaires and billionaires are fighting over money. Both sides seem to be reaping terrific gains from the sport and if anything seem like a bunch of spoiled brats.

Moreover, the median income in the US and Canada is approx 50k. So people with 50k are making these guys millionaires and they (owners and players) are fighting over the pots of gold, when many of these same people are struggling to pay bills, keep their jobs, or don't have one, and feel lucky to be able to afford to even see a game with ticket prices where they are. As a result, hockey is a release for many, an escape from the toughness of thier lives, 3 hours of happiness in a day to forget the challenges, somewhere to take your child, or watch with your child to share a passion, some family time, bonding, this is why it matters to us, we all know this. In an economic environment like that of today, its even more important, it has an impact on people not only socially but economically.

For example, there are many ancilliary jobs, in the arenas, parking, restos and bars, that will be hurt. People in those jobs depend on the game for a second job to make ends meet, or sole income, better tips on game nights, etc. These are not people making alot of money. For instance, the Panthers just laid off a bunch of staff today.

As a result, I tweeted my displeasure to the above three, not in an insulting way but one that would make them think, stating these facts, and yes suggesting that they and the owners were acting like spoiled brats and that they should feel fortunate to have people making 50k enriching them for playing a game.

All three subsequently blocked me. I opened another account and let Beiksa/Kesler know what I thought of their attitude towards a lifetime fan, someone who had spent alot of money enriching them. Lou was was the only one to respond, surprising given all the crap he has taken in this city but he regained my respect.

I actually know why the Canucks lost game seven now. For a long time I thought it was Lou. It was guys like Bieksa, Kesler, who have entitlement attitudes, are selfish and are all about the money. Blocking a fan who asked them to consider the ramifacations of their decisions on those fans paying their bills says alot about their mentality, how much they really care about fans. Bc you see, if they did care, they would take those comments in stride, and accept that there is a grain of truth in that.

I am no longer a fan of those players and I for one hope to see Kesler and Bieksa traded. Character can be shown in many ways, they have shown me theirs. I know I will get flamed for this but before you do think about what I said, how they reacted, and what it suggests about them as people.

Integrity matters.

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 18 September 2012 - 09:09 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:09 PM

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:13 PM

You're kidding me right? It really annoys me when I see all these feel bad for me stories. How would you like it if your boss cancelled work for everybody, said you have to take a huge paycut, and If you don't you're not Going to have a job? Put it into perspective. And no, don't use the "but they will still be rich" argument. They earned every penny. And the Canucks players don't have time to respond to every whiney fan. High ticket prices? Of course they aren't going to sell front row seats for $50, this is a hockey crazy market with a competitive team, be happy they're the price they are and not more.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:15 PM

Agreed ^

Also, What did Luongo say when he replied to you?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:20 PM

Agreed ^

Also, What did Luongo say when he replied to you?


Just that he didn't block me but I mentioned it was another account, to which there was no response but he didn't proceed to then block that one, which says ok I got your point. Bieksa and Kesler blocked the second account within minutes lol

I guess they can't handle the truth
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:20 PM

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After the lockout you should wait outside Rogers arena and pick a fight with Bieksa. Teach him a lesson
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:21 PM

You're kidding me right? It really annoys me when I see all these feel bad for me stories. How would you like it if your boss cancelled work for everybody, said you have to take a huge paycut, and If you don't you're not Going to have a job? Put it into perspective. And no, don't use the "but they will still be rich" argument. They earned every penny. And the Canucks players don't have time to respond to every whiney fan. High ticket prices? Of course they aren't going to sell front row seats for $50, this is a hockey crazy market with a competitive team, be happy they're the price they are and not more.


Not feel bad for me, I can afford it, you're not getting the point. These guys on average are much much much richer than they were post last lockout. They are all making a fine living, and most regular nhl'ers are millionaires. Crying poor...doesn't work so well.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:22 PM

After the lockout you should wait outside Rogers arena and pick a fight with Bieksa. Teach him a lesson


We'll Im bigger than Keith and that Runt Marchand, and he doesn't seem to be tough enough to stand up to them so, I'm not worried.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:27 PM

Not feel bad for me, I can afford it, you're not getting the point. These guys on average are much much much richer than they were post last lockout. They are all making a fine living, and most regular nhl'ers are millionaires. Crying poor...doesn't work so well.

Are you trying to say they don't deserve the money they make? Imagine getting a raise at work that went up every few years then after 8 years your boss said you have to go back to your original salary. It's not a fact if they're millionaires, it's the fact they've earned the money they make.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:28 PM

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Not getting the point are you....
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

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You do realize that not a single Canucks player has signed overseas as they see it as stealing another players job and will only do it if things look dire. You may also see that a group of players do not dictate the full decisions that the NHLPA makes in these negotiations. Just like Acquillini most likely is not really in favor of a lockout as the Canucks make a lot of money for him each year.
Bieksa also went on record as feeling bad for the people who will be losing jobs, and mentions the cutbacks at rogers arena.

They blocked your account because you were trolling them with a sense of victimization and entitlement.

These are players who have taken discounts as apposed to asking for what they would get on the open market...

A large portion of Canucks that can afford renting ice time at UBC are still practicing daily to keep in shape for your sorry ass when hockey comes back, Effectively pumping money back into the community.

Say what you will about Malkin, and Nash, etc. but the Canucks are handling this handsomely.

Edited by knoxdown, 18 September 2012 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

Are you trying to say they don't deserve the money they make? Imagine getting a raise at work that went up every few years then after 8 years your boss said you have to go back to your original salary. It's not a fact if they're millionaires, it's the fact they've earned the money they make.


Buddy. You're not getting my point...here I'll spell it out.

1 Both owners and players are being greedy, they are arguing over an industry that is booming.
2. Owners are billionaires with a toy, players are millionaires crying poor when people making 50k are making them rich
3. Its not like they are making 75k and someone says oh tomorrow you're earning 50k and by the way thats lucky in this economy where people are losing their jobs and can't find a job for 2 years. But these guys are making millions and complaining.
4. No one says they didnt earn it, people pay the ticket prices, they are a product fair enough, but then cry poor?
5. Saying you care about the fans when you don't = disingenous. Caring about fans is understanding people are being effected, people are losing jobs (support staff/arena staff/concessions etc).
6. Caring about the game says you know what, owners took a capital risk, we're making millions, HRR revenues 50/50 ok..since while I as a player get 50% I have no expenses with that so pure profit, Owners, have expenses tied to that (staff, etc).
7. Greed is whats causing this lockout from both sides nothing else.

So when the NHL comes out and posts a patronizing letter to fans that gets people enraged, well the players putting out a video saying poor us, kinda say shut up boys.

And the fact that they can't handle that truth, that they block people on twitter, wow says alot about them.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

You do realize that not a single Canucks player has signed overseas as they see it as stealing another players job and will only do it if things look dire. You may also see that a group of players do not dictate the full decisions that the NHLPA makes in these negotiations. Just like Acquillini most likely is not really in favor of a lockout as the Canucks make a lot of money for him each year.
Bieksa also went on record as feeling bad for the people who will be losing jobs, and mentions the cutbacks at rogers arena.

They blocked your account because you were trolling them with a sense of victimization and entitlement.

These are players who have taken discounts as apposed to asking for what they would get on the open market...

A large portion of Canucks that can afford renting ice time at UBC are still practicing daily to keep in shape for your sorry ass when hockey comes back, Effectively pumping money back into the community.

Say what you will about Malkin, and Nash, etc. but the Canucks are handling this handsomely.


Vicimization and entitelement? Yes that's right thats them alright. You think the players renting out UBC makes up for all the people losing jobs right now?

Bieksa : I feel bad about the jobs lost, but its ok I make 5 million and I support the NHLPA's stance. Saying one thing and doing another - integrity son.

WOW

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 18 September 2012 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:38 PM

Vicimization and entitelement? Yes that's right thats them alright. You think the players renting out UBC makes up for all the people losing jobs right now?

Bieksa : I feel bad about the jobs lost, but its ok I make 5 million and I support the NHLPA's stance. Saying one thing and doing another - integrity son.

WOW


what do you want them to do? Hire these people as gardeners and pool boys and personal entertainers? he cant give them jobs. They still take place in charity events, and work amongst the community. I am sure you are at the soup kitchen every day you friggin saint.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

It was not an interesting story.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:40 PM

what do you want them to do? Hire these people as gardeners and pool boys and personal entertainers? he cant give them jobs. They still take place in charity events, and work amongst the community. I am sure you are at the soup kitchen every day you friggin saint.


Accept the fact that they may have to take a pay cut and play the friggent game that will continue to make them millions. Wow life is hard

ps. I have donated more than the Sedins have to Canuck place. Just an FYI.

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 18 September 2012 - 09:41 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:42 PM

After the lockout you should wait outside Rogers arena and pick a fight with Bieksa. Teach him a lesson

Tell him Fedor Fedorov says hi.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

Accept the fact that they may have to take a pay cut and play the friggent game that will continue to make them millions. Wow life is hard

ps. I have donated more than the Sedins have to Canuck place. Just an FYI.


I bet.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

Accept the fact that they may have to take a pay cut and play the friggent game that will continue to make them millions. Wow life is hard

ps. I have donated more than the Sedins have to Canuck place. Just an FYI.


Have you donated all that money to CP, plus over a million and a half to building a children's hospital?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

Tell him Fedor Fedorov says hi.


Lol...Fedor Fedorov...lol...Bieksa must be tough to beat up Semin part 2
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

Accept the fact that they may have to take a pay cut and play the friggent game that will continue to make them millions. Wow life is hard

ps. I have donated more than the Sedins have to Canuck place. Just an FYI.


pics or didn't happen, you can say a lot of untrue things on an internet forum. You nor I have any knowledge of the exact proposals that have been put on the table. Bieksa, Kesler, and Lu are fantastic people who make millions doing something they love, I personally think this is less about a moral stand point and you just being jealous. But alas I am EST and have a busy day tomorrow.

goodnight, I am sure many CDC members will agree with your complaints of twitter blockings.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:46 PM

I bet.


Well your choice I don't really care either way. My point is not about that. Its about players true attitudes about this lockout, about the fans and their character and yes I am questioning it. Because if you are on social media, and the only interaction you can handle is that which inflates your already over inflated ego well....its a sign into your mindset isnt it.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

pics or didn't happen, you can say a lot of untrue things on an internet forum. You nor I have any knowledge of the exact proposals that have been put on the table. Bieksa, Kesler, and Lu are fantastic people who make millions doing something they love, I personally think this is less about a moral stand point and you just being jealous. But alas I am EST and have a busy day tomorrow.

goodnight, I am sure many CDC members will agree with your complaints of twitter blockings.


Jealous about what? lol...that they play hockey? You might be in h/s or university, I am not.

Wow
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

Well done master troll. Well done.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:48 PM

Well your choice I don't really care either way. My point is not about that. Its about players true attitudes about this lockout, about the fans and their character and yes I am questioning it. Because if you are on social media, and the only interaction you can handle is that which inflates your already over inflated ego well....its a sign into your mindset isnt it.


And backpedal backpedal backpedal.


So your proposal is for the players to roll over, give the owners everything they want, and take whatever the owners decide? Gotcha.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

And backpedal backpedal backpedal.


So your proposal is for the players to roll over, give the owners everything they want, and take whatever the owners decide? Gotcha.


Do you think that a person playing professional hockey, a regular NHL player on the fourth line is poor if he is making $1million per year and at the same time his owner is losing money.

Do you think this is fair, and secondly sustainable?

Do you know only 7 teams in the NHL turned a profit?

Honest questions, please answer.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:58 PM

So, you complain about how they make a ton and you only make 75k.

Then go on to say you have donated 2+ million to CP.

Hmmm...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

So, you complain about how they make a ton and you only make 75k.

Then go on to say you have donated 2+ million to CH.

Hmmm...


I have a question for you.

Can you read? I said the average person in the US and Canada makes 50k

Then used an EXAMPLE BASED ON ANOTHER COMMENT that if SOMEONE making 75K was told by their boss that they are taking a cut to 50k its a significantly different thing from a player making millions gettting a little less.

I am not sure your level of education but your reading comprehension needs some remedial assistance.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:02 PM

So you make 2+M?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:09 PM

Not sure about how this topic got derailed but please stick to the original post. My comments are about how the actions of a couple of players speaks to an entitlement attitiude and one in which they state they care about the fans/others losing jobs but their actions say something different.

Moreover, their unwillingness to engage or merely accept that fans will have a differing perspective on this given how much money both sides have in their wallets shows a distinct lack of emotional intelligence and certainly displays where their priorities lie, in their wallets and that they have little concern for the fans and those economically affected by the lack of the game, and a situation where those people are affected much more significantly than they will ever be.

Perhaps they should take a page out of Wayne's book, where he has stated over and over, he owes the game everything, he would never have had all the opportunities, fortune he achieved without it. Something clearly Mr. Bieksa and Kesler and the majority of players don't seem to understand.

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