LeanBeef Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Jensen should definately be higher up - he's already had success in the AHL playoffs with 4 goals in 6 games which is remarkable, and his game is built for the NHL. I'm also surprised Gaunce didn't get a mention. Mistake me if I'm wrong, but he was the 2nd best center to go at this last NHL draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Ah, I see. Wasn't aware. That said, based on what they've done in the AHL - especially in the case of Rodin - is anybody really excited about either of these two? I was thrilled to have landed Schroeder when we did, but it's not looking that good right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Bo7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Really exciting? Yes. Really exciting like Yakupov could be? Not quite. I'm talking top level, dominated at every level, etc exciting, but as it stands I'm excited about a fair number of our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Bo7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Ah, I see. Wasn't aware. That said, based on what they've done in the AHL - especially in the case of Rodin - is anybody really excited about either of these two? I was thrilled to have landed Schroeder when we did, but it's not looking that good right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckCup1316 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I have not seen enough games with all those players to agree or disagree. What I do know is, we have at least 4 - 5 prospects that I see being able to crack the line up and be solid players or even stars with in the next couple of seasons. So if I am right then our team is drafting quite fine. And by then nobody will remember or care about this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Yes. People who actually follow our prospects,( such as myself, elvis15, avalanch, Dasien) are excited for Rodin and Schroeder. Rodin has played ONE season of NA Pro hockey and needs to add 15-20 pounds-- but people fail to remember when he was in the WJHC, he tied for scoring with Paajarvi and Ninorrieter While Schroeder - If it wasn't for the lock-out would be occupying the 2nd/3rd line centre spot while Kesler is injured... and is the ALL-TIME leading American scorer in the WJHC. Why does Detroit have some many players on the list? They let their players develop ---- Brendan Smith is 23 with 2 AHL seasons under his belt, Calle Jarnkrok is in his 4th SEL season, Nyqvist is 23 with a full NCAA, and then AHL season; and lastly Tatar has 3 AHL seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 One other thing to mention, as an interesting comparison, Pronman has also done rankings on the individual teams as well as the top 100. Here's the link to his one for the Canucks. System Overview: Vancouver was a hard system to rank because they have a fair amount of talent, but there are question marks up and down their pipeline. Can Jensen get some consistency and have a big season? How high is the upside for Gaunce and Corrado? Can Connauton defend in the NHL? Will Rodin break out? How for real is Alex Grenier? Did Eddie Lack's big seasons come from his talent level, or from bringing a goalie in his mid-20's in the AHL? I could see an argument that there's a league-average amount of talent in this system, but there are a lot of things to watch for this team going into next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Sedin's turn 32 in a week. They were not as good last year as they were in the prior two seasons. Pullbacks can happen very quickly, and it should be a concern for any fan of this team. We became an elite team when the Sedin's became elite, which really wasn't until 2009. Henrik's point totals dropped 16% in 2010-11 relative 2009-10, and a further 14% this past year relative to 2010-11. Is that not something to consider? His goal total from this past season was less than half of what it was back in 2009-10, when he won the Art Ross. Is that not a concern? Is that "alarmism"? Daniel's PPG in 2009-10 was 1.35. In 2010-11, it was 1.27. In 2011-12, it was 0.93. Is that not a pretty steep drop? It seems reasonable, given the data above, to assume that the Sedin's peaked in 2010. What this means is that we need other guys to step up, because they're probably no longer good enough to single-er, double-handedly carry this team. And who can we count on? Kesler? Not really. Booth? Hell no. Raymond? Nope. If what I've presented isn't a sign of decline, like you say that they're not, what is it? A coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Oh no, I spelled some guys name wrong who will almost certainly never don a Canucks jersey. There goes my credibility. And I'm not whining, but it's a stupid pick. Explain to me the logic in taking a goaltender when you've already got 2 of the top-10 starters under contract, one of them until 2022, and another young guy with a lot of hype currently starting in the AHL. It's a wasted pick. Like I said before, the smarter strategy would've been to take a skater, someone with a higher probability of being useful to the Vancouver Canucks some day. Seriously, Joe...Cannata ( ) honestly think that he has a chance at making this team, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 As for Schroeder, his numbers are actually pretty good... He also hasn't exactly had high end talent to play with. The Moose and the Wolves are fairly low scoring teams, but it has helped him become a much better 2-way player. Don't be surprised if he excels at the NHL level more than the AHL level with better wingers and a more controlled and structured game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 -snip- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Recycling a post I made about a month ago: I'll go top prospects by country assuming this is before they've had NHL experience: Canada - Huberdeau/Strome/Scheifele USA - Tinordi/Galchenyuk (played for America)/Bjugstad Finland - Granlund/Armia/Teravainen Sweden - Forsberg/Zibanejad/Lindholm Russia - Yakupov/Tarasenko/Grigorenko Just about as qualified as this Prospectus clown. Any changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Recycling a post I made about a month ago: I'll go top prospects by country assuming this is before they've had NHL experience: Canada - Huberdeau/Strome/Scheifele USA - Tinordi/Galchenyuk (played for America)/Bjugstad Finland - Granlund/Armia/Teravainen Sweden - Forsberg/Zibanejad/Lindholm Russia - Yakupov/Tarasenko/Grigorenko Just about as qualified as this Prospectus clown. Any changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Kuznetsov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Which Russian does he replace for top 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 KingES is one of the Hodgson trade whiners, and now is going on as if he's disappointed in Schroeder, but he loves simpleton stats, so here are a few... Schroeder scored 21 g 23 a for 44 points in 76 games last year. Hodgson scored 17 g 13 a for 30 point in 52 games two years ago with the Moose. What that translates into is a slight point per game advantage to Schroeder. Schroeder was +8 while Hodgson was -12. Hodgson has a mere 5 lbs on Schroeder, while Schroeder nevertheless has more grit, a hell of a lot more speed, and is not an absolute vacant-case in his own end of the ice... I'd love to know what people like McTavish and Wendell Young were saying when the Canucks decided the go ahead and let Hodgson go. I look forward to seeing Schroeder with a chance to play between Higgins and Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder__Bread Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 This "KingofEs" figure is forgetting the biggest and most important thing about the Canucks drafting ideal. The Canucks always pick the best player available in their eyes. Drafting based on current needs of the team just leads to an even weaker prospect pool similar to the Nonis days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 This "KingofEs" figure is forgetting the biggest and most important thing about the Canucks drafting ideal. The Canucks always pick the best player available in their eyes. Drafting based on current needs of the team just leads to an even weaker prospect pool similar to the Nonis days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 KingES is one of the Hodgson trade whiners, and now is going on as if he's disappointed in Schroeder, but he loves simpleton stats, so here are a few... Schroeder scored 21 g 23 a for 44 points in 76 games last year. Hodgson scored 17 g 13 a for 30 point in 52 games two years ago with the Moose. What that translates into is a slight point per game advantage to Schroeder. Schroeder was +8 while Hodgson was -12. Hodgson has a mere 5 lbs on Schroeder, while Schroeder nevertheless has more grit, a hell of a lot more speed, and is not an absolute vacant-case in his own end of the ice... I'd love to know what people like McTavish and Wendell Young were saying when the Canucks decided the go ahead and let Hodgson go. I look forward to seeing Schroeder with a chance to play between Higgins and Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hodgson also came back from a serious back injury which made him miss practically the entire season before his season on the Moose. Cody had 30 pts in 53 games in his rookie AHL year while a healthy Schroeder had 28 pts in 61 games. Hodgson's Point-per-game ratio in his rookie season in the AHL was just as high as Schroeder's in his sophomore season, and Hodgson came back from a serious back injury. If Schroeder was so much better than Cody, he would've played at least 1 NHL game by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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