butters Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Conspiracy theories are brain candy for people that think they are smart. Part of the appeal about them is it allows unhappy people to have a way of telling themselves that they are better than everyone else because the know a 'secret truth'. Just look at the this thread and all the references to open mindedness and curiosity, and dismissing the people who don't believe it as mindless. Half the reason people think you guys are crazy has nothing to do with 9/11. Its because the way you talk invariably sounds like every other person who has an alternate belief. Illumanti, aliens, Elvis, NWO, protocols of the elders of zion, young earth creationists, Y2Kers, anti-vaccinators... every one of them has the same way of talking. And the same prosletyzing nature. The 'curious and open minded' meme for example will sound good to you until you come across a hundred other people with a hundred clearly false opinions that also call themselves "curious an open minded". The 'lots of evidence' meme also sounds good on the surface. Until you notice that there really isn't any evidence besides the 'poking holes in the official story' kind of evidence, and no evidence that stands on its own. And even the 'poking holes' evidence doesn't contain anything real, just conjecture. Its almost the exact same thing as creationists arguing against evolution. Both parties insits that they are right and have plenty of evidence when they really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester@wraiths.ca Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 People argue back and forth, OPINION vs OPINION, both sides (official story and conspiracy theories) have discrepancies as far as I'm concerned, but the one thing that I find moronic is the supporters of the official story getting bitchy and snide by the fact that some people think it should be investigated thoroughly by 3rd parties. If the best investigation possible were undertaken, and it proved the official story was right, their side would be strengthened, I'd think that would be a good thing... Unless they actually worry it would prove otherwise... The other base part of this whole thing is people behaving as if corruption doesn't exist and people wouldn't kill for their agendas. Similar things HAVE been planned and perpetrated by governments in the past. Operation Northwood, America planned to conduct terrorist attacks against themselves to start a war against Cuba. The plan got authorized by the joint chiefs of staff but was stopped by Kennedy. " People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war." Sounds surprisingly similar to 9/11 theories doesn't it? the only thing that stopped the plan was a strong president... Killing hundreds of people by denying them treatment for syphilis so they could study it isn't exactly trustworthy government behavior is it? Tuskegee Syphilis Study did just that, running for 40 years without being revealed as such. hundreds of people being allowed to die, given fake treatment, and that was covered up very well for 40 years... Hitler of course began the war by staging attacks by Germany on Germany, and making it look like it was Poland. Choosing to simply believe a government wouldn't kill it's own people to achieve a goal is naive. A president needing the war to rally support for what he wanted isn't so far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 If the best investigation possible were undertaken, and it proved the official story was right, their side would be strengthened, I'd think that would be a good thing... Unless they actually worry it would prove otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Plane or missile isn't the issue. The issue is if it was a plane, then just how inept is the US air force? It was bad enough that a second plane was allowed in Manhattan airspace, but to let one hit the pentagon? I certainly thought the airspace around it was more secure than that. So the attacks signalled one of two things: Either the US air defenses were/are incredibly inept, or they acted with little response on purpose in order to amp up the damage caused so they can justify their massive counterattack. There was a plane headed to the white house as well. That was downed. So guess where the orders were coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 The Pentagon is just over 77 feet tall and a 737 at the top of the tail is just over 41 feet tall leaving the fuselage closer to 30 feet in height. The dimensions work our actually. Now...I'm going to need to inspect that wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Are we still doing this? Wow. You conspiracists are giving the US government WAY too much credit. The logistics needed to pull off such a huge conspiracy is basically impossible. No government or agency in the world could pull that off and would be stupid to risk it. Makes 0 sense. There is no way to be sure how buildings react to jet liners crashing into them. It doesn't happen often and even if it did, every crash will have new factors not being able to take into consideration. Bottom line is theorists are just filling in the blanks with what they want. We could sit here and do that all day, assuming its fact when it's not. This conspiracy makes 0 sense to attempt and would be impossible to pull off. The government and the agencies connected to it simply don't have the ability to successfully mount such an operation. As well again it makes absolutely 0 sense. Same government thought there were WMD in Iraq and couldn't even get that intel right. And you think they could pull this off? Keep dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Conspiracy theories are brain candy for people that think they are smart. Part of the appeal about them is it allows unhappy people to have a way of telling themselves that they are better than everyone else because the know a 'secret truth'. Just look at the this thread and all the references to open mindedness and curiosity, and dismissing the people who don't believe it as mindless. Half the reason people think you guys are crazy has nothing to do with 9/11. Its because the way you talk invariably sounds like every other person who has an alternate belief. Illumanti, aliens, Elvis, NWO, protocols of the elders of zion, young earth creationists, Y2Kers, anti-vaccinators... every one of them has the same way of talking. And the same prosletyzing nature. The 'curious and open minded' meme for example will sound good to you until you come across a hundred other people with a hundred clearly false opinions that also call themselves "curious an open minded". The 'lots of evidence' meme also sounds good on the surface. Until you notice that there really isn't any evidence besides the 'poking holes in the official story' kind of evidence, and no evidence that stands on its own. And even the 'poking holes' evidence doesn't contain anything real, just conjecture. Its almost the exact same thing as creationists arguing against evolution. Both parties insits that they are right and have plenty of evidence when they really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 You're relatively new to CDC, but we've had this whole 9-11 inside job discussion for almost a decade. And it was debunked then, and it'll be de-bunked now. You may have to understand that many folks here are tired of refuting the same bull$#@! over and over again. Some will though, but some won't. But, by all means, carry on, if you think you've found some new evidence or argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm talking about the actual object @ 5:10, it's wayyyyy smaller than 41 ft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamero89 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 These videos state there was no plane wreckage. ummm then what is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 The most simple argument to use against 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists: Why would a government go to all the trouble of faking a terrorist attack, and then blame it on a nation other than the one they needed an excuse to invade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 This is the only thing cemented in my head about 9/11, just....I dunno what to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeeterHansen Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 "Hey I just joined you, And I am crazy, But CDC forum, 9/11's a conspiracy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Any investigation requires the investigator to put away any beliefs and simply let the facts tell you where to go. Like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The search for facts, not truths. Truth is for philosophers. I'm all for being open minded. But lets look at this logically. Each plane had at minimum 50 or more paying passengers (including terrorists). So with four planes you would have to murder and hide the bodies of 200 people (after all it's a missile right?). In addition you'd have to make sure the buildings implode EXACTLY the way you want it to. Killing a lot of civilians and putting a major monkey wrench in the US economy. Just doesn't seem to make sense to do it that way. Why not just blow up the Statue of Liberty? You want America out for blood, have a plane crash at DisneyWorld or Disneyland. Hundreds of innocent children and parents killed. You'd get get people screaming for vengence. If you consider all it took to escalate in Vietnam was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. All it would take is the sinking of a small US warship with fake evidence pointing to Iraq to have gotten the same results. The real issues here behind the terrorists, is that folks like Bin Laden, were ex-CIA funded when they were in Afghanistan. These types of freaks the CIA has a long history of funding. Almost always it comes back to bite the US back. The US backed the Shah of Iran. Look at the mess Iran is in. The US backed Hussein to fight Iran. Then he goes off and starts invading other nations. Noriega worked for the CIA, became one of the biggest drug dealers, and then he takes over and rules Panama, and eventually the US had to take him down because they felt well..he was out of control. I find that more disturbing than any possible coverup (inside job). Blowback from CIA operations is the real threat. People just don't want to believe that twisted and motivated individuals with not a lot of money can cause a lot of destruction and death. Sadly all it takes is planning, and desperate people to carry it out. I'm more interested in the Kennedy assassination. The reason why is here was a person that got stuff done in 3 years that most presidents in 8 years couldn't accomplish. The single bullet theory can work, but it seems to me very unlikely (And the fact trained snipers can't replicate it). All the evidence that could help get a solution is either tampered, lost (including Kennedy's brain is missing!) or conflicting. (Like no one can agree to how good a shot Oswald was, some say he was a crack shot, some say he was useless) A neutral attitude is needed in all investigative work. Use the facts to get to the solution. Don't make facts fit a predetermined solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Any investigation requires the investigator to put away any beliefs and simply let the facts tell you where to go. Like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The search for facts, not truths. Truth is for philosophers. I'm all for being open minded. But lets look at this logically. Each plane had at minimum 50 or more paying passengers (including terrorists). So with four planes you would have to murder and hide the bodies of 200 people (after all it's a missile right?). In addition you'd have to make sure the buildings implode EXACTLY the way you want it to. Killing a lot of civilians and putting a major monkey wrench in the US economy. Just doesn't seem to make sense to do it that way. Why not just blow up the Statue of Liberty? You want America out for blood, have a plane crash at DisneyWorld or Disneyland. Hundreds of innocent children and parents killed. You'd get get people screaming for vengence. If you consider all it took to escalate in Vietnam was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. All it would take is the sinking of a small US warship with fake evidence pointing to Iraq to have gotten the same results. The real issues here behind the terrorists, is that folks like Bin Laden, were ex-CIA funded when they were in Afghanistan. These types of freaks the CIA has a long history of funding. Almost always it comes back to bite the US back. The US backed the Shah of Iran. Look at the mess Iran is in. The US backed Hussein to fight Iran. Then he goes off and starts invading other nations. Noriega worked for the CIA, became one of the biggest drug dealers, and then he takes over and rules Panama, and eventually the US had to take him down because they felt well..he was out of control. I find that more disturbing than any possible coverup (inside job). Blowback from CIA operations is the real threat. People just don't want to believe that twisted and motivated individuals with not a lot of money can cause a lot of destruction and death. Sadly all it takes is planning, and desperate people to carry it out. I'm more interested in the Kennedy assassination. The reason why is here was a person that got stuff done in 3 years that most presidents in 8 years couldn't accomplish. The single bullet theory can work, but it seems to me very unlikely (And the fact trained snipers can't replicate it). All the evidence that could help get a solution is either tampered, lost (including Kennedy's brain is missing!) or conflicting. (Like no one can agree to how good a shot Oswald was, some say he was a crack shot, some say he was useless) A neutral attitude is needed in all investigative work. Use the facts to get to the solution. Don't make facts fit a predetermined solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Oh my God, you've made an incredible discovery!!! This cannot remain secret any longer! So what are you going to do about it!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suvets29 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Please...everyone knows it was Kyle who masterminded the whole thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tystick Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 There's really very little evidence and most of what there his is prefaced by a lot of theory. There is however plenty of conjecture. You posted a video earlier saying that it was created by ex millitary general and aeronautic engineers (iirc). That sounds like great information...can you tell me about the engineers and the ex military who were involved in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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