Trelane42, on 23 September 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:
Oh dear. The word “conspiracy” was uttered ergo whoever doesn’t drink the govt. cool aid is a nutcase by default. Case closed, is that how it is supposed to work?
Humans take to conspiracies as naturally as breathing. It’s called having a plan and cooperating with a select few for mutual benefit, not necessarily yours. Say you’re out with a girl having a nice a meal, and her girlfriend, whom you don’t know, turns up. Measure how long it takes for them to feel the need to use the bathroom at about the same time. Conspiracy brewing, I tell you. What was that Jimmy Devellano thing about again?
The only thing people can’t handle here is the scale of the act. But that is just the “big lie” principal at work. Means govern desired outcome, which is always money and power. To a small import-export operator the goal may be as simple as bypassing the middle man, but to multi-billion transnationals the end game will naturally be more ambitious.
Mosanto, for example, is doing its part in the money game and consumers be dammed. Cancer rates jumping 600% in longitudinal rat studies and the mighty FDA in the dark. Other companies are not allowed to perform their own tests on seeds unless supervised by Mosanto. Might that be an evidence of conspiracy? Whoever (John Lennon?) said: “Every man wants to be rich, every rich man wants to be a king, and every king wants a bigger kingdom,” had it exactly.
Once more, 11 years ago elements within and with ties to government, industry, military and intelligence communities executed almost 3,000 souls for reasons having to do with money and power, namely:
- Oil theft and opening up of hitherto closed market, supplanting financial, business, and political classes
- Continued strategic encirclement of Russia and China, with option to deny them access to newly acquired resources
- Continued support of Greater Israel via elimination of surrounding hostile regimes
- Continued militarization of domestic police forces needed for when the economic and social corrections, inherent in all multiethnic, central bank, panzi scheme fuelled economies, come about
Near free fall speed and powderization of so much concrete matter, apparently in mid air, is about all the evidence one ought to need concerning the act perpetrated on the two buildings. Subsequent behavior by the US flushed out the motives. The casualties, whether cancer victims or caught in the twin towers, are "just collateral damage," cost of doing business by another name.
If someone here harbors under the notion that he lives in a most noble and caring civilization the world has ever seen and that certain evil things that happened in the past cannot occur today cuz we are so evolved and sh*t, JUST STOP! Man does not evolve and neither do his deeds. Worry about the present. Injustice rendered will be repeated until the doer is put down. That is the lesson of all history.
Let's take these 'reasons' and have a closer look shall we?
1) Oil Theft and opening up bigger markets.
So the U.S, gov't planned an attack on its own people in order to 'steal' oil from Afghanistan and Iraq? Well, there's none in Afghanistan, so that's pretty easy to look past, since you obviously meant Iraq.
Who are the biggest players in oil in Iraq?
Exxon Mobil has by far the largest stake of any American company in Iraq, but most of the major players are European and Asian, like Lukoil and Gazprom from Russia, and Chinese companies like China National Petroleum and China National Offshore Oil Corporation.
Well, that's strange eh??
America conspired to attack itself, so that it could spend hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, for the benefit of Chinese, Russian and European Oil production companies.
Conspiracy of kindness, me thinks. Oh those Americans, always thinking of making things easier for the competition by committing acts of violence on itself.
By the way, guess who America's largest source of foreign oil is....
Oh the huge manatee, or beaveree!
2) Denying Russia and Chinese access to resources you say? Well, among the biggest beneficiaries of oil contracts are state run oil companies, in Iraq, again, are Chinese and Russian. Sooooo, it doesn't seem like they've been 'encircled' and 'denied access' in the least.
3) Eliminate hostile hostile regimes of the Israelis? That's a laugher. Good one. Saddam kept Iran in check. Now there's more cooperation between Iraq and Iran then ever before. Which means more access for Iranians and their proxy military to conduct missions against Israel. This is why Israel is begging and pleading with the U.S. to strike Iran, over its nuclear program. Removing Saddam was good for democracy, but bad for Israel when it meant specifically to its own safety against Iran. Saddam kept the militant Islamists in check quite well, now with his removal, these fanatics have free reign to organize, train, receive weaponry from Iran or Hezbollah and Hamas, under the protection of political islamic groups, like the National Iraqi Alliance, which includes the Islamic revolutionary leader Muqtada al-Sadr, who started the Islamic movement under the goals and philosophies of the Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Mohammad Sadeq al-Sadr.
Is Israel more safe now with a more Islamic Iraq, or before with a secular Iraq run by a dictator?
4) Your last point is your weakest. If you though it took killing over 3000 of its own people for the U.S. to militarize its police forces, then what can I tell ya? You're out to lunch in left field. The police have been militarized for quite some time in suppressing and oppressing the civilian population at the behest of its leaders for decades. Think Civil Rights era if you want to see some real police brutality, or if you want to see how college kids get massacred for peaceful protests.
If this is the best you can come up with for why the U.S., or elements of the U.S. leadership would attack its own people, then you need to spend more time reading actual sources of information, and stay away from conspiracy websites. They're not offering you 'truth', their offering you, what they think is the 'truth'....and it's quite obvious, even as 11 years have gone by, that the U.S. hasn't benefited from invading Iraq.
I have no qualms with the argument that certain companies like Halliburton and others did, because of their closeness with slick Dick Cheney and others, but there's no evidence that even those f#@%-sticks had anything to do with what a bunch of Islamic meat-heads did in the name of their religion, at the command of the biggest f#$%-stick of them all, who's now chum.