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#31 Pouria

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:55 PM

I want a free house!


Here is your free house:

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Best location too, its in Downtown Vancouver east side.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:11 PM

Not condoning the violence, but good for them, education should be free, or at least a fraction of its current cost.


The government (at least in BC.) already pays for 70% of the would-be tuition.

Systems that are free are abused. Look at what has happened to free summer-schooling.

More than half of the scholarships accessible by students are never claimed. Most of these students probably haven't even applied for them.

Working a part-time job, getting a student loan, applying for a line of credit, applying for a scholarship, applying for a bursary, your parents saving up money (maybe not), working a year or two before school, having a part-time job, settling for a cheaper program or doing co-op. By exhausting some of these you are more than able to get in to post-secondary system. I got in with an initial balance of $0, with $0 parental contribution, I applied for a student loan, was rejected, then took out a like of credit. Aswell, I also got accepted for a bursary.

MOST students can get a student-loan, so surely to god if I can do it you can. You have nothing to complain about.

Edited by JeremyW, 24 September 2012 - 06:14 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:21 PM

The funny part is that those students protesting/rioting are rich kids. Tuition increase only affect family earning $100k/year or more.

Lower income folks usually get assistance from government and their tuition won't increase.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:31 PM

The problem with "merit" based entrace is:

1) A lot of people pull their act together later in life. Streaming them into a trade for the rest of their lives because they got a C in Math 10 is ridiculous; and

2) Merit based entrance weighs heavily in favor of the rich. Children in poor homes don't get the attention and involvement towards school they need, and rich peolpe can afford better tutors.



Garbage men make just as much in Canada. Nobody wants to collect garbage here either....I really don't get your point about free education there at all. In Germany less people get to go to University.

Your point about tradespeople "failing" is also ridiculous. I know plenty of people who rocked it in high school but failed out of university and vice versa. Once again, preventing someone from going to university because they got a C in math 10 is ridiculous.

I understand what you are saying but you are not taking into account how many people in Canada are going to university and doing the easy courses just to get by. That is a spot wasted for someone who deserves to be there. Also when you graduate from university in Germany and have a degree you can work in that position. If you do not have the schooling for a managers position then you will never get the job, unless the company is willing to send you for the training. Education is a big thing in Germany. As for marks. Why should I get in when I have scraped by with my marks when you bust your butt in school and get good marks. I thought a lot like you when before I lived in Germany then realized that Canada's system is flawed. The German one is too, but atleast the poor have the opportunity to go to university and not have thousands of dollars debt to sort out after. I am a strong believer in free education and free medical ( or atleast very cheap medical)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

I understand what you are saying but you are not taking into account how many people in Canada are going to university and doing the easy courses just to get by. That is a spot wasted for someone who deserves to be there. Also when you graduate from university in Germany and have a degree you can work in that position. If you do not have the schooling for a managers position then you will never get the job, unless the company is willing to send you for the training. Education is a big thing in Germany. As for marks. Why should I get in when I have scraped by with my marks when you bust your butt in school and get good marks. I thought a lot like you when before I lived in Germany then realized that Canada's system is flawed. The German one is too, but atleast the poor have the opportunity to go to university and not have thousands of dollars debt to sort out after. I am a strong believer in free education and free medical ( or atleast very cheap medical)


There are many, many resources availible to the 'poor' going in to university. Like I said, I got in with literally an inital $0 balance.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:25 PM

I understand what you are saying but you are not taking into account how many people in Canada are going to university and doing the easy courses just to get by. That is a spot wasted for someone who deserves to be there. Also when you graduate from university in Germany and have a degree you can work in that position. If you do not have the schooling for a managers position then you will never get the job, unless the company is willing to send you for the training. Education is a big thing in Germany. As for marks. Why should I get in when I have scraped by with my marks when you bust your butt in school and get good marks. I thought a lot like you when before I lived in Germany then realized that Canada's system is flawed. The German one is too, but atleast the poor have the opportunity to go to university and not have thousands of dollars debt to sort out after. I am a strong believer in free education and free medical ( or atleast very cheap medical)

It's a proven fact that poor kids are less likely to do well in high school. They live on average in homes with less access to education, they have less resources to spend on private tutors, they are more likely to suffer abuse, etc. .. writing people off early is always a bad idea.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:30 PM

You both have good points. Unfortunately there is no perfect system when the government is involved. Atleast Germany is on the right direction.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:01 AM

The government (at least in BC.) already pays for 70% of the would-be tuition.

Systems that are free are abused. Look at what has happened to free summer-schooling.

More than half of the scholarships accessible by students are never claimed. Most of these students probably haven't even applied for them.

Working a part-time job, getting a student loan, applying for a line of credit, applying for a scholarship, applying for a bursary, your parents saving up money (maybe not), working a year or two before school, having a part-time job, settling for a cheaper program or doing co-op. By exhausting some of these you are more than able to get in to post-secondary system. I got in with an initial balance of $0, with $0 parental contribution, I applied for a student loan, was rejected, then took out a like of credit. Aswell, I also got accepted for a bursary.

MOST students can get a student-loan, so surely to god if I can do it you can. You have nothing to complain about.


The problem I think most students have isn't that they can't get a student loan, it's that they graduate with $30,000 in student loan debt, difficult repayment plans, and job prospects only marginally better than when they started university.




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