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#31 debluvscanucks

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:28 PM

I like it. People were quick to jump on Dan as the source of all problems if things went south (gee, sounds familiar with our goaltenders), but he was a good goaltender and likely has something to contribute here.

Aside from his talents, he was also a pretty charismatic, likeable guy. Also liked his feisty, stand up for myself/my team side.

Met him at a Lions game once - he was on the sidelines with Trevor. I like that he'd bought into the entire "Vancouver" scene and supported the local teams outside of hockey.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:41 PM

CLOUTS! Welcome back!
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:45 PM

Wish there was a way to get Sean Burke out of phoenix.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:45 PM

FYI he was a goalie, not a forward


What he is saying is that even though Cloutier put up a couple 30+ win seasons, it was mostly because of how good our defence was at the time. I disagree, he was still a pretty good goalie (30+ wins is great and he did it 3 times?).

Also i think if he wasn't injured at the beginning of the 2005-2006 season he would have had a career year and we would have made a playoff run potentially, but we had to use Alex Auld for the remainder of the year.
The injury Cloutier sustained was career ending, he never got back into his game and when he was traded to LA he was on the decline and couldn't find his game again.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

Wish there was a way to get Sean Burke out of phoenix.


I wish there was a way to get the Coyotes out of Phoenix.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:56 PM

Liked Cloutier as a person, but was a rubbish goalie, regardless of what people think. He was easily in the bottom 10 goalies in the league during his time with the Canucks. His 30 wins 3 times is a lot compared to Joe Schmoes like you and me; but compared to other goalies in the NHL who played for playoff contenders, Cloutier's numbers do not look good.

Nice guy and I do see this as a good move by the Canucks organization. As someone alluded to, the fact that he has a lot of negative experience in the NHL will actually help goalie prospects a great deal, especially when dealing w/ pressure (what to do and what not to do). Cloutier had to overcome a lot of roadblocks in becoming and maintaining a starting goalie job in the NHL, so he knows hard work and what it takes to succeed.

But again, as a goalie, forgettable (just not easily forgettable unfortunately).

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:03 PM

Good move for Cloots - I'm sure the media will have a field day with this one, but it's not like his job is to directly coach the future goalies.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:15 PM

I doubt his stats as a player will have any bearing on his ability to coach. Two completely different professions. Do you guys remember Wayne?

I say Congrats on the new job Cloutier! Good Luck.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:15 PM

A comparison to Cloutier sure makes Luongo look a whole lot better...

When you look back, Cloutier was a legit starting goaltender for just three seasons. Yet, many regard him as one of our best. Conclusion: God-dammit our goaltending history is pathetic.

This is a homer hire. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:29 PM

The Canucks need more grit in the lineup....that's why they hired Cloutier.
Cloutier is probably the best fighting goalie ever to donn a Canuck jersey.From now on, it will be a prerequisite that all Canuck goalies be capable of joining in on the fisticuffs.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:47 PM

Liked Cloutier as a person, but was a rubbish goalie, regardless of what people think. He was easily in the bottom 10 goalies in the league during his time with the Canucks. His 30 wins 3 times is a lot compared to Joe Schmoes like you and me; but compared to other goalies in the NHL who played for playoff contenders, Cloutier's numbers do not look good.


Bottom 10? That's a little harsh isn't it?

Remember, this is from before ties were outlawed. 30 used to be the standard for decent goalies to get.

I took a quick look using 2001-2002 as an example. If you look at all the top teams in the league, most of their number one goalies were in the low to mid 30s for wins. Only a couple of guys like Hasek (41), Brodeur (38) and Nabokov (37) had more than that.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:05 PM

Funny Cloutier returns right after Lidstrom retires.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:17 PM

And with this the Canucks have completed their backwards progress.

Rehiring dumb coach - check
Rehiring the goalie that killed any chances of WCE being successful and have a SC - check.

what's next: hiring Keenan as coaching consultant?

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:21 PM

And with this the Canucks have completed their backwards progress.

Rehiring dumb coach - check
Rehiring the goalie that killed any chances of WCE being successful and have a SC - check.

what's next: hiring Keenan as coaching consultant?


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:22 PM

And with this the Canucks have completed their backwards progress.

Rehiring dumb coach - check
Rehiring the goalie that killed any chances of WCE being successful and have a SC - check.

what's next: hiring Keenan as coaching consultant?


??

The thing that killed the WCE chances for success was team depth, defence, The WCE's complete inability to play defence hence their crap +/- numbers and steve moore.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 03:24 PM

Lol, whatever works at this point
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

A bit conflicted on this one. Time will tell if he works out in this role, willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. Stats aside he certainly brought a fierce competitive spirit which won't hurt to have around.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

goalie consultant ≠ goalie coach
And I couldn't agree with this more:

A comparison to Cloutier sure makes Luongo look a whole lot better...

When you look back, Cloutier was a legit starting goaltender for just three seasons. Yet, many regard him as one of our best. Conclusion: God-dammit our goaltending history is pathetic.

This is a homer hire. Nothing more. Nothing less.


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:43 PM

His record wasn't too bad in Vancouver, it was the other teams he played terrible on.. lol His record was 109-68-23 with 14 shutouts and a 2.42 goals against average (208 games) with the Canucks.

Then again if our goaltending was stronger, maybe we would have went further in the playoffs during the Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrison era. Oh well, I'm happy where we are now. The Sedins/Kes are great to watch, guess I'll have to wait till next season though to see them play.... %$#@ Bettman! :mad:

EDIT: Either way, congrats Dan. :canucks:

Edited by Kesler's Nose, 25 September 2012 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:47 PM

I like Cloutier and glad he has something to look foward to being back with the Canucks.


Side note, if Luongo gets treated here the way he does, Cloutier had no chance here...
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:49 PM

I liked Dan but I am not sold that this is a good move or not. The calibre of goalie does not mean they are agreat teacher, coach, consultant. He might end up being great but we will have to wait and see. For example: Wayne Gretzky best player ever, possilby worst coach ever. Its kinda funny, but I notice that the best coaches are ones that were average or below average players. I have no idea why but its true. So people judging this decision on Dans ability as a goalie is kinda weak. I rather see what he has proven as a consultant/mentor to judge this move. But I wish him the best of luck cause I like him and it is my best interest that he works wonders.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:51 PM

Felix Potvin would win 2-1 in a best of three.

The Canucks need more grit in the lineup....that's why they hired Cloutier.
Cloutier is probably the best fighting goalie ever to donn a Canuck jersey.From now on, it will be a prerequisite that all Canuck goalies be capable of joining in on the fisticuffs.

The Canucks need more grit in the lineup....that's why they hired Cloutier.
Cloutier is probably the best fighting goalie ever to donn a Canuck jersey.From now on, it will be a prerequisite that all Canuck goalies be capable of joining in on the fisticuffs.



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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:51 PM

Was never really a Cloutier fan. You could honestly watch his confidence dwindle as a game/series went on. And once he lost his head and started swinging wildly at the nearest opponent, you knew that was it and the goals would start pouring into the net. I often wonder what could have been had Burke not been so stubborn.

Hopefully he has cooled it a bit and his lack of composure on ice doesn't translate into his new position. Goalies flying off the handle, albeit exciting, is not something I want to see in our up and comers.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:00 PM

I liked Dan but I am not sold that this is a good move or not. The calibre of goalie does not mean they are agreat teacher, coach, consultant. He might end up being great but we will have to wait and see. For example: Wayne Gretzky best player ever, possilby worst coach ever. Its kinda funny, but I notice that the best coaches are ones that were average or below average players. I have no idea why but its true. So people judging this decision on Dans ability as a goalie is kinda weak. I rather see what he has proven as a consultant/mentor to judge this move. But I wish him the best of luck cause I like him and it is my best interest that he works wonders.


Pretty simple really. Players like Gretzky, Espo, Brad Park, etc., what they do comes naturally to them. Not that they don't work hard at honing their skills, but they miss alot of the basics as it is instinctual. Al Arbour, Don Cherry, Pat Quinn, Mike Keenan, etc., etc, etc, etc, lacked some of the basics and had to work hard to learn it. They had to focus, pay attention to training, do everything they could to be better players. That shows in their coaching skills where you have less time to hone your skills as you will be fired immediately for poor results, as opposed to a marginal player who may be given years to learn their stuff.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:01 PM

:picard: When his name comes up all's i can remember is a Lidstrom 60 footer and colossal meltdowns in the playoffs.

Edited by Hockey Fever, 25 September 2012 - 05:05 PM.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:09 PM

As long as he isn't teaching them how to handle the puck behind the net, I'm ok with it.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:14 PM

Kirk Mclean would have been a much better choice but he'd probably be far too busy with his other endeavors.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:31 PM

- Great young goalies can learn how to fight.
- Plus they can learn how to let in beach balls.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 05:47 PM

Kirk Mclean would have been a much better choice but he'd probably be far too busy with his other endeavors.

Or he's too busy in Colorado.

This is a good move for Cloutier. Always respected him.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

Love this signing. Gillis has always said he wants to bring character guys into the organization. Even his critics have to agree that Cloutier is one of those guys. Welcome back Dan.




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