King of the ES Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Which says a great deal about your lack of vision. Ehrhoff is under contract until he's 40 while Garrett is under contract to 34. See a difference? Garrett hits, blocks shots and put up 40+ points on a team that lacks talent even close to the Sedins. I'd say MG got a deal. You simply can't see past your own personal biases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 also you base your opinion on bieksa on what people around Vancouver say and yet Ehrhoff got a nickname as Errorhoff in San Jose and was worth being a cap dump by San Jose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayray2112 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 What's Daniel and Henrik's nickname again? The Sedin Sisters? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thema Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Kesler (diving) - there was no list. just a discussion. the purpose is to make the game easier to officiate. everyone felt strongly but all kinds of players embellish. he came up because they showed a clip that he happened to be on. I was supportive of it, it has gotten out of hand in a lot of cases and it's time to reign it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 coming from the guy that called him an offensive D man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 By the same token, Gillis CHOSE to not offer Salo a two-year deal, just like he CHOSE to not concede to what Ehrhoff wanted. Singularly blaming the players is a huge misrepresentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Bieksa is currently our ONLY legit NHL right side D with a right side shot and an NHL body (which discounts Tanev). Let's not over rate him; just simply point out how important it was to re-sign KB3! $4.6 is probably a pretty fair cap hit for Bieksa (he did score 39 points and play a top defensive pairing role). Deals? Kevin got $6 or $7 mill his first year in the $23 mill deal. So maybe discount is also excessive. But its far better value than $40 mill for Erhoff, regardless of cap hit. Erhoff would have helped us win last year and this (next ? ). But we would had to have pulled a Philly (or Lou) and traded him with 8 years left in his deal. You can over pay and succesfully unload a contract as Philly has? That type of contract is a risk. Or you can get stuck, like with Souray, Dipietro, Huet, Redden, Yashin, even Pronger is still owed $20 mill! I'm willing to bet Erhoff's deal will not end well! Neither signing Bieka nor loosing Erhoff are examples of mistakes by Gillis. Bieksa took a discount? Again, maybe, but I'm not convinced that a lot of other teams would've been lining up to give him a 5-year, $23M deal. IMO, he's clearly the most overrated Canuck on the roster. If he had the personality of Aaron Rome, he'd be half as popular. .And you're again bringing up a deal where, at the time of signing, it was not a "discount". Mike Gillis took a gamble on Burrows, when he signed. That was his breakout year, and Gillis gave him a 4-year deal under the presumption that the breakout would continue. In this case, he was right, and it was a great contract. But again, at the time, it was a gamble. Prior to that year, and even during most of that year, he was firmly entrenched on the bottom-six. As for Ehrhoff, and your "see how it turned out for him so far" comment, his team only played 5 less games than the Vancouver Canucks did, so I guess it's been a flop for both sides, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Are we speaking of the same person? HE HAS NEVER PUT UP 40+ POINTS! Not in the NHL, not in the AHL, not even in the WCHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Did these players not make a choice? I'm not blaming them at all. I'm simply pointing out that they made the choice. MG promised Salo he'd sign him to one year deals as long as he wanted to play. Salo CHOSE to go to Tampa for a two year guarantee. His CHOICE. MG offered Ehrhoff a fair deal that fit in with the other d-men. Ehrhoff CHOSE to go for more money. That's not laying blame, it's the simple truth. MG chose not to overpay Ehrhoff. MG chose not to risk the injury prone Salo retiring after one year and leaving a year against the cap. It's choices. Every GM makes them as does every player. It's not like MG refused to talk to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 No,Baggins. Gillis over paid Bieksa and low balled Ehrhoff.Ehrhoff makes near double what Bieksa makes in the first two years of his contract. That is a hose job and insult not a respectable offer. Gillis low balled Sami and Sami took the best offer elsewhwre. Players get hosed by the NHL and the players sometimes have to take the best deal offered. Your version of the truth is not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 No,Baggins. Gillis over paid Bieksa and low balled Ehrhoff.Ehrhoff makes near double what Bieksa makes in the first two years of his contract. That is a hose job and insult not a respectable offer. Gillis low balled Sami and Sami took the best offer elsewhwre. Players get hosed by the NHL and the players sometimes have to take the best deal offered. Your version of the truth is not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Are we speaking of the same person? HE HAS NEVER PUT UP 40+ POINTS! Not in the NHL, not in the AHL, not even in the WCHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Not only that but the point Baggins makes on Ehrhoff's contract is baseless/incorrect.It is structured insomuch he gets paid up front and the final 3 years of his Buffalo contract will not be played or paid. Adtually,he could play only six years and collect $34 million or play seven years and collect $37 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 WHAT?!?!? You're telling me that you think there's a team out there that offered Garrison (Jason Garrett is the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, by the way) a 6-year deal, at $5.5M per?!? The term is critical - on a 1 or a 2-year deal, sure, maybe. But over 6 years, $5.5M per? Is that what you're actually saying?!? BTW - Garrison broke the 30-point barrier this year, for the first time in his short NHL career. He is not a "40+ point" defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Good take. He could be used along with Luongo to get quite the package out of Toronto, if Luongo would actually waive his NTC to go there, which I personally find difficult to believe. I'd love to bring Phaneuf to Vancouver, personally, though I'd think that the odds of getting him out of Toronto would be very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 No I'm not saying that as term was never reported. It was reported however he turned down more money. Understand? But when was the last time you saw a 28 year old UFA sign a one or two year deal? You can figure the offers would have been 4 or more as is typical for that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I think Burke would be ecstatic to do an Edler for Phaneuf straight up. Or even an Edler + Raymond for Phaneuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, I'm sticking to one of the following two stories:A pure fabrication"More" money was immaterial, and certainly not even in the same ballpark as the 20% that you alluded to It's not relevant. As fans, all that we should care about in a cap environment is cap hit. Of course the deal differs if it's for 4 years or if it's for 12. I acknowledge that. But whoever gets paid more up front, or however much they're earning in the last 2 years, whatever, not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I doubt that. Captain of the team. A very "Brian Burke" player (although he's Canadian). And you might be surprised to be reminded that Phaneuf is only a single year older than Edler. And no, I was not suggesting Lu + Edler for Phaneuf. Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, I'm sticking to one of the following two stories:A pure fabrication"More" money was immaterial, and certainly not even in the same ballpark as the 20% that you alluded to It's not relevant. As fans, all that we should care about in a cap environment is cap hit. Of course the deal differs if it's for 4 years or if it's for 12. I acknowledge that. But whoever gets paid more up front, or however much they're earning in the last 2 years, whatever, not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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