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#451 Raoul Duke

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:45 AM

I'm now just a casual viewer, I sorta flip around and I'll maybe stop on The Score if Raw's on once in a while.

But this "Ryback" guy? Is this not Goldberg 2.0? Again, I'm not really up to date so it's a serious question. And how is that Damian Sandow doing? Thought this guy had amazing heel potential.

Also also, what is The Shield that everyone's mentioning?
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

I'm now just a casual viewer, I sorta flip around and I'll maybe stop on The Score if Raw's on once in a while.

But this "Ryback" guy? Is this not Goldberg 2.0? Again, I'm not really up to date so it's a serious question. And how is that Damian Sandow doing? Thought this guy had amazing heel potential.

Also also, what is The Shield that everyone's mentioning?

Yes, Ryback is pretty much Goldberg 2.0. The fans chant "Goldberg" at him all the time. He never cleanly loses. If he loses, it's not clean, or he's on a team and someone else gets pinned. Damien Sandow is doing really well. He's probably the only thing I look forward to in wrestling these days. And The Shield is a team comprised of Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, and Roman Reigns. They basically just attack random faces at random times, claiming they are bringing justice to the WWE.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

I sort of see Ryback as more of a Rhino type guy...when Rhino was brought into ECW during their feud with the network he was unstoppable, Goring men and women through tables...Goldberg was a bit bigger than Ryback...
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

to the dismay of people, i'm going to compare aces & 8's to the shield

at least the thing about the shield... WWE at least got to the point of who they are and what their motives are. they attack ryback because he's randomly pushed to main event status against CM punk, who's beaten everyone and was the champ for a full year. the "justice" angle is just that. they're a bunch of young guys who went through the indies, blah blah, paid their dues from that to WWE's camp program and they want to make a name for themselves. they don't wear masks, we all know who they are and, after TLC, these guys can all work. they all worked together in a great match. no sucky backstage, you know, b-rated cop interrogation bits of who they are, and what do you guys want, they made their motives known right away and that's how you get behind a faction; you know who they are and you know what they're doing... most importantly, how well can these guys work. watch TLC

whereas TNA let aces & 8's get stale to the point... no one cared anymore. they dragged that thing on way too long and last i heard aces and 8's did a bit where they had strippers and all this garbage. attitude era is gone people. it's not coming back. and i guess tna is trying that route because they're on a cable network barely anyone watches, cateriing to people who prefer to live in the past

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

Olias to be honest with you I watch TNA just about as much as I do WWE, and I agree with you completely...TNA had a good angle going with Aces & Eights...but have let it get stale. I continue to watch TNA because a lot of my favorite wrestlers are there now, Dudley Boyz, RVD, Sting, Austin Aries, Jeff Hardy...there are a lot of old school fans like me, who were big fans of the WCW and ECW, that would much rather watch some actual wrestling from time to time...instead of love triangles, rectangles, pentangles whatever the hell that thing with AJ was...and to be honest every time Vickie Guerrero starts talking on RAW I have to change the channel. I can't stand that woman.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:00 AM

Olias to be honest with you I watch TNA just about as much as I do WWE, and I agree with you completely...TNA had a good angle going with Aces & Eights...but have let it get stale. I continue to watch TNA because a lot of my favorite wrestlers are there now, Dudley Boyz, RVD, Sting, Austin Aries, Jeff Hardy...there are a lot of old school fans like me, who were big fans of the WCW and ECW, that would much rather watch some actual wrestling from time to time...instead of love triangles, rectangles, pentangles whatever the hell that thing with AJ was...and to be honest every time Vickie Guerrero starts talking on RAW I have to change the channel. I can't stand that woman.

That AJ Styles and Dixie Carter love thing was pretty damn lame.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:15 AM

Well at least some people here watch TNA. I think the Aces and Eights fell through because they took out way too many big stars all at once and resulted in no one really caring anymore. Hopefully Anderson being added to the Aces and Eights can spurt some new life into the angle before ending it. Would've made much more sense to have Bobby Roode running the whole thing right from the start tbh. Although, it may have dragged Roode down who's had arguably the best year in professional wrestling. I'm looking forward to Roode/Aries/Hardy. Something about Hardy giving zero fracks about his body excites me. RVD as X-Champ has been meh but he's a fairly big name so he brings credibility to the title. Nobody knows where they are going with Joe, Angle, and Storm which is fairly disappointing. What I do like is that the knockouts matches are actually pretty good. I see the Genesis card ending up like this:

World Heavyweight Championship Match:
Jeff Hardy vs Bobby Roode vs Austin Aries

Christopher Daniels vs James Storm

Sting vs DOC

Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Bully Ray vs Mr Anderson, Devon, Masked Armbreaker

X-Division Championship Match:
Rob Van Dam vs Kenny King

World Tag Team Championship Match:
Chavo and Hernandez vs Joey Ryan and Matt Morgan

Knockouts Championship Match
Tara vs Velvet Sky

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

Latest rumour is that Rock is pretty much for sure going to win the title at the RR against Punk then lose it at Elimination chamber cause he's going to be so busy with movies in 2013 he won't have time for WM29. Also Ryback is going to win the RR match so I guess he will face whoever wins the title at EC at WM29. But who knows how true these rumours are

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:54 PM

Latest rumour is that Rock is pretty much for sure going to win the title at the RR against Punk then lose it at Elimination chamber cause he's going to be so busy with movies in 2013 he won't have time for WM29. Also Ryback is going to win the RR match so I guess he will face whoever wins the title at EC at WM29. But who knows how true these rumours are


I'd almost rather see Ryback in the Elimination Chamber match....be the last man in and just competely destroy the guys in the ring when he enters.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

I'd almost rather see Ryback in the Elimination Chamber match....be the last man in and just competely destroy the guys in the ring when he enters.


That's pretty much exactly what Goldberg did lol except he wasn't the last guy in, I think they're trying to get away from the Goldberg comparisons with Ryback

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:14 AM

Latest rumour is that Rock is pretty much for sure going to win the title at the RR against Punk then lose it at Elimination chamber cause he's going to be so busy with movies in 2013 he won't have time for WM29. Also Ryback is going to win the RR match so I guess he will face whoever wins the title at EC at WM29. But who knows how true these rumours are

Rock, Brock, Cena, Punk, Ryback, and someone else in the chamber. :o
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

Rock, Brock, Cena, Punk, Ryback, and someone else in the chamber. :o


I don't know if Ryback would be in it if he does in fact win the RR match cause he'd be facing the champion at WM anyways
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

lol shield attacking sheamus. best part of the night so far. love how aware these guys are then the good guys starts fighting back

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:18 PM

then they get owned by Ryback Sheamus and Orton later on lol

If all they'er going to do is have the Shield do these 3 on 1 attacks these guys are going to be back in NXT within a month.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:29 PM

well it's RAW, cable tv. of course they wont have the hottest thing going for them going 1-up on the faces 2 times in the same night

i have a feeling dolph and aj were drunking during that last segment-- dolph for sure lol

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

Not a big Cena fan but honestly he destroyed Ziggler in that segment lol
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:20 PM

cena's always been really good on the mic. some cena haters really fail to see that. he may be cookie cutter in the ring but on the mic, he's nearly untouchable
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:49 AM

Ryback should have lifted and tossed one of the Shield into an RKO
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:53 AM

Ryback should have lifted and tossed one of the Shield into an RKO


he should have double shell-shocked 2 of them
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:14 AM

he should have double shell-shocked 2 of them

hell, why not all 3 of them, through the announcer's table. that would really sell ryback to the fans
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:39 AM

cena's always been really good on the mic. some cena haters really fail to see that. he may be cookie cutter in the ring but on the mic, he's nearly untouchable


Not really.

For every 1 good promo he does, there's always 5 really lame ones. Anyone could be a good talker, if they "break the forth wall" and not get in trouble for it. There are plenty of guys who are better talker than Cena, who never gets TV time because they aren't entertaining to little kids, like JTG, him mentioning Ryback having pink eye was golden. Barrett is another guy who can put out a killer promo, same with Kane.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:44 AM

cena's always been really good on the mic. some cena haters really fail to see that. he may be cookie cutter in the ring but on the mic, he's nearly untouchable


Completely disagree and I am someone who tries to defend Cena as much as I can. His promos that make him happy go lucky are freaking terrible.

Tonight was good though. He cam across as serious and even his happy go lucky mood was toned down.


Lawler was so annoying tonight though. The guy is a terrible color guy and they need to replace him. I know some of you may think that this sounds cruel as he had a heart attack a couple months ago but it doesnt matter. If you suck, you suck. He was especially annoying during the team hell no vs 3 MB match. i KNOW IT IS A COMEDY MATCH BUT TAKE it seriously for crying it out loud. All he was concerned with was trying to be funny and putting himself over. Also during the Kofi Kingston Wade Barret match, he was so dumb for saying Barret goaded Kingston to choose him as opponent due to Kingstons cockiness or whatever have you.Cole had to say 4-5 or five times that the reason Kingston chose Barret was because of his competitive nature rather than some cockiness or whatever have you. You know McMahon was in Coles ear for the match. The worst part was Lawler still felt the need to argue with Cole.

Seriously, what a terrible color guy. He needs to go and they should have JBL as the color guy on both shows, JBL is a prick but at least he knows that he needs to put talent over.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:22 AM

Not really.

For every 1 good promo he does, there's always 5 really lame ones. Anyone could be a good talker, if they "break the forth wall" and not get in trouble for it. There are plenty of guys who are better talker than Cena, who never gets TV time because they aren't entertaining to little kids, like JTG, him mentioning Ryback having pink eye was golden. Barrett is another guy who can put out a killer promo, same with Kane.

i can agree. cena, at times, can have some really, g-rated, pathetic, forgettable moments, like last week with his match/segments against del rio and the whole santa claus deal, but you can't deny that his promos have delivery

Completely disagree and I am someone who tries to defend Cena as much as I can. His promos that make him happy go lucky are freaking terrible.

Tonight was good though. He cam across as serious and even his happy go lucky mood was toned down.


Lawler was so annoying tonight though. The guy is a terrible color guy and they need to replace him. I know some of you may think that this sounds cruel as he had a heart attach a couple months ago but it doesnt matter. If you suck, you suck. He was especially annoying during the team hell no vs 3 MB match. i KNOW IT IS A COMEDY MATCH BUT TAKE it seriously for crying it out loud. All he was concerned with was trying to be funny and putting himself over. Also during the Kofi Kingston Wade Barret match, he was so dumb for saying Barret goaded Kingston to choose him as opponent due to Kingstons cockiness or whatever have you.Cole had to say 4-5 or five times that the reason Kingston chose Barret was because of his competitive nature rather than some cockiness or whatever have you. You know McMahon was in Coles ear for the match. The worst part was Lawler still felt the need to argue with Cole.

Seriously, what a terrible color guy. He needs to go and they should have JBL as the color guy on both shows, JBL is a prick but at least he knows that he needs to put talent over.

the thing with his promo tonight, it was just the intensity he had. that's his selling point. that's what makes john cena who he is. he can be a nerd most of the time, yeah, but when it's crunch time, he can own anyone on the mic. i'm not the biggest cena fan, i've said this many times, but he's been in the business a long time, he's paid his dues, he's been beat up, like you're supposed to.

i actually gained utmost respect for cena after JBL roughed him up years ago, and JBL is known for roughing people up. i always hated cena for the pushes he as given, but looking back at what he's been through, it's some-what deserved. i dont agree with the 10-11 championship reigns, but you can also argue that was when we was trying to find the next break out star.

triple h had his run... him putting over randy and batista was nice and all, but his golden years was his feud with shawn michaels. shawn sold HHH as the top guy, imo. one of the best feuds of all time. up there with bret and austin-- at least for as long as i've been watching the product

but you can't deny cena has paid his dues, and deserves to be where he is.

when he first started out, watch that one match he had with kurt angle. kurt made him look good, i know that, but we all saw, yea john cena can actually wrestle.

then his match against lesnar. he got pretty beat up, i can't really remember but i think lesnar actually just busted him open the hard way, and seeing blood in a modern day wwe match is pretty rare, especially lesnar just elbowing the crap balls out of him

now, the thing with JTG-- he says one thing on twitter and everyone is just an instant fan of him. i don't get that. i liked cryme tyme, back when they were relevant , but even shad has moved on and has nothing bad to say about anything that happened. however he alluded to cenas politics, which really just makes you wonder, who is john cena? a company guy or just a paranoid dude who plays politics to stay on top? because he's been around around long enough to be "one of the boys"
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:34 AM

also, i forgot, that lawler phoned it in many years ago. he really doesn't care anymore
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:31 AM

Cena? That monkey franking ship sinking son of a bee sting had better get his gawl don crap happy doggy bath straight in the way before the fans chin check it.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

Cena? That monkey franking ship sinking son of a bee sting had better get his gawl don crap happy doggy bath straight in the way before the fans chin check it.



It is promos like this that I point to which make him look like a fu**ing loser even with the kids.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

Wade Barrett new IC champion? Ugh, he sucks. Hopefully this leads to Ted Dibiase or someone coming back and taking the title from him.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

hell, why not all 3 of them, through the announcer's table. that would really sell ryback to the fans


Cause I don't think anyone in the WWE would be able to pull that off lol, they gotta weigh well over 700lbs combined
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:03 PM

also, i forgot, that lawler phoned it in many years ago. he really doesn't care anymore


Ah geez can you give Lawler a break man...he had a heart attack for crying out loud...on the air..made a full recovery and has been one of the most loyal employees that company has ever had...he and JR...anybody who suffers a heart attack while at his post and who still comes back to do his job, even if you see it as "phoning it in" Lawler most certainly DOES care...or he wouldn't be doing it anymore.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

Wade Barrett does not suck, he's one of the best talkers in the WWE. They just don't know how to use him right, and kind of buried him when they kicked him out the Nexus.

I remember reading that he was pegged to go against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
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