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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:50 AM

Or his agent and his father are the issue, as has been widely speculated. Try considering all the possibilities for once, King.

He's still a kid, but if his father is pushing his career that might be the one person that sways him into making decisions he otherwise wouldn't. Having changed agents a number of times before settling on Winters, that further points to a controlling interest in his career. Considering the reports from many people (not just Gillis' word) about Cody's character, it would make sense he has a little help in decision making off the ice.


I guess the other side to that perceived "flaw" is that this kid is so hell-bent on becoming the best that he can be that he's not willing to sacrifice for anything less than the agent that can do the most to help him succeed, and the environment that believes in him the most and from which he can thrive. There's no doubt that Vancouver was not the idea situation for him, which I had been saying for months, and which nobody else would concede until he was actually traded.

I was not happy when we took Cody in '08; full disclosure, I wanted the Canucks to either select Beach or Myers. But the more that I see/hear of Cody, the higher that I become on him. From what I see, he's one of those guys with such an insanely high level of motivation, that he's bound to end up as an NHL All-Star some day, and probably many times over. The more I think of the trade for Zack Kassian, the more it bothers me. I think that'll be how it plays out for Canuck fans, unfortunately.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:52 AM

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:55 AM

I guess the other side to that perceived "flaw" is that this kid is so hell-bent on becoming the best that he can be that he's not willing to sacrifice for anything less than the agent that can do the most to help him succeed, and the environment that believes in him the most and from which he can thrive. There's no doubt that Vancouver was not the idea situation for him, which I had been saying for months, and which nobody else would concede until he was actually traded.

I was not happy when we took Cody in '08; full disclosure, I wanted the Canucks to either select Beach or Myers. But the more that I see/hear of Cody, the higher that I become on him. From what I see, he's one of those guys with such an insanely high level of motivation, that he's bound to end up as an NHL All-Star some day, and probably many times over. The more I think of the trade for Zack Kassian, the more it bothers me. I think that'll be how it plays out for Canuck fans, unfortunately.


Just like how you think Nucks should have selected Beach or Myers, why don't you give some time to actually see what happens with Kassian before you judge this trade? Maybe Kassian will change your mind just like how Hodgson did over the next few years.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:08 PM

OMG WRONG MEME

yeah, that meme should read:
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

I guess the other side to that perceived "flaw" is that this kid is so hell-bent on becoming the best that he can be that he's not willing to sacrifice for anything less than the agent that can do the most to help him succeed, and the environment that believes in him the most and from which he can thrive. There's no doubt that Vancouver was not the idea situation for him, which I had been saying for months, and which nobody else would concede until he was actually traded.

I was not happy when we took Cody in '08; full disclosure, I wanted the Canucks to either select Beach or Myers. But the more that I see/hear of Cody, the higher that I become on him. From what I see, he's one of those guys with such an insanely high level of motivation, that he's bound to end up as an NHL All-Star some day, and probably many times over. The more I think of the trade for Zack Kassian, the more it bothers me. I think that'll be how it plays out for Canuck fans, unfortunately.


You are right you hockey genius you! There was nobody else saying for months that this wasn't the right environment for him to succeed! Your foresight is so superior to everyone else damnit!

Everybody and their dog knew that this wasn't the best environment for him to succeed, and where do you get off in believing Kassian isn't just as driven as Hodgson? Every interview or bit of information I have heard or read about Kassian points straight towards a committed work horse that wants nothing more than to succeed. He knows exactly what expectations are on him and he's trying to attack them straight on.

It is straight up foolish to assume that one is, or is going to be so superior to the other when neither has proved anything significant in the NHL, and when both still have so much time ahead of them to develop.

You might have an easier time moving on if you take the Hodgson poster down from above your bed.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:01 PM

I don't see the point in this... Unless Cody is staying in the AHL all year. I know that the Lockout out could be the entire year, but if it ends, isn't this move a little ridiculous? I understand that he should have ice time so going to the AHL isn't a bad thing.. but to name him captain? Interesting move.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:03 PM

When he was drafted, the GM shoved down our throats that he was a man of the highest character imaginable.

So, either Mike Gillis didn't know who he was drafting, when he drafted him, or he was just bitter about the trade after seeing how it turned out. Pick your poison.


...or in that 3 years' time, Hodgson turned from alternate captain of Team Canada's U-20 team to a prima-donna.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

Just like how you think Nucks should have selected Beach or Myers, why don't you give some time to actually see what happens with Kassian before you judge this trade? Maybe Kassian will change your mind just like how Hodgson did over the next few years.


Maybe, but 2012 was already lost. We've won 2 President's Trophy's in our existence, and last year was one of those years. Probably not the best time to trade away your 3rd leading goal scorer for a "project", don't you think?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

I don't see the point in this... Unless Cody is staying in the AHL all year. I know that the Lockout out could be the entire year, but if it ends, isn't this move a little ridiculous? I understand that he should have ice time so going to the AHL isn't a bad thing.. but to name him captain? Interesting move.

rotating captain, he's the best they have right now, someone else will take over when he goes up. not a big deal.

it may indicate the sabres think the lockout will last an entire season. bad news.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:15 PM

Everybody and their dog knew that this wasn't the best environment for him to succeed


WRONG. Tony Gallagher was skewered for his prophetic article in December suggesting that there may be a rift between Cody and the Canucks. "Fear mongering"..."trying to sell newspapers"..."that's Tony Gallagher for ya"...etc.

Cody was adored here until the day that he was traded, and not a soul wanted him to be traded. That is a fact.

where do you get off in believing Kassian isn't just as driven as Hodgson? Every interview or bit of information I have heard or read about Kassian points straight towards a committed work horse that wants nothing more than to succeed. He knows exactly what expectations are on him and he's trying to attack them straight on.


Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I just don't see it, at this point, in comparison to Hodgson, anyway.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

WRONG. Tony Gallagher was skewered for his prophetic article in December suggesting that there may be a rift between Cody and the Canucks. "Fear mongering"..."trying to sell newspapers"..."that's Tony Gallagher for ya"...etc.

Cody was adored here until the day that he was traded, and not a soul wanted him to be traded. That is a fact.



Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I just don't see it, at this point, in comparison to Hodgson, anyway.


I'll take a big winger in Kassian over a small slow skating Hodgson. At least Kassian can be used in more situations than just the powerplay which is the only place where Hodgson's foot speed is acceptable. Even if Kassian doesn't put up the numbers Hodgson does, Kass fills a much bigger need in terms of toughness. All NHL teams dream of the Lucic type which can play top 6 minutes and still act as an enforcer. We could well have that in Kassian.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

You are right you hockey genius you! There was nobody else saying for months that this wasn't the right environment for him to succeed! Your foresight is so superior to everyone else damnit!

Everybody and their dog knew that this wasn't the best environment for him to succeed, and where do you get off in believing Kassian isn't just as driven as Hodgson? Every interview or bit of information I have heard or read about Kassian points straight towards a committed work horse that wants nothing more than to succeed. He knows exactly what expectations are on him and he's trying to attack them straight on.

It is straight up foolish to assume that one is, or is going to be so superior to the other when neither has proved anything significant in the NHL, and when both still have so much time ahead of them to develop.

You might have an easier time moving on if you take the Hodgson poster down from above your bed.


While I wouldn't call the situation with Hodgson playing on our 3rd line ideal (and everyone was aware of that as he'd be better suited to a top 6 role but was stuck behind Henrik and Kesler), I would certainly not start phrasing it as bad. He was given a very good chance to succeed despite not being in a more offensive role.

Think of the situation Jensen is in right now in Sweden, where he's an offensive forward playing on the 3rd line with PP time. He's leading AIK (the team he's playing on) in points. He'd like to be in a top 6 role, but he'll take positives from what he's doing and hopefully grow.

Hodgson was in a similar 3rd line role but still had the opportunity on our 2nd unit PP, where the center spot was actually a weakness not having another offensive centerman with Kesler on the 1st unit. Kesler changed that shutdown role to a blended one by sharing the tougher match ups at even strengh to allow Hodgson an easier time, particularly when they were showcasing him prior to the trade. He hardly had plugs playing with him either, with the likes of Hansen and Higgins as wingers.

Hodgson and his camp weren't happy with that though, even after he had some success with tailored shifts. While we may not have realized how much he was being showcased at the time, we all knew he could still play behind Henrik and Kesler and still improve for when the opportunity presented itself later on.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:30 PM

Good for him.
Don't know why they would want a kid who whines about his ice time playing for a Cup contending team as their captain though.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:37 PM

While I wouldn't call the situation with Hodgson playing on our 3rd line ideal (and everyone was aware of that as he'd be better suited to a top 6 role but was stuck behind Henrik and Kesler), I would certainly not start phrasing it as bad. He was given a very good chance to succeed despite not being in a more offensive role.

Think of the situation Jensen is in right now in Sweden, where he's an offensive forward playing on the 3rd line with PP time. He's leading AIK (the team he's playing on) in points. He'd like to be in a top 6 role, but he'll take positives from what he's doing and hopefully grow.

Hodgson was in a similar 3rd line role but still had the opportunity on our 2nd unit PP, where the center spot was actually a weakness not having another offensive centerman with Kesler on the 1st unit. Kesler changed that shutdown role to a blended one by sharing the tougher match ups at even strengh to allow Hodgson an easier time, particularly when they were showcasing him prior to the trade. He hardly had plugs playing with him either, with the likes of Hansen and Higgins as wingers.

Hodgson and his camp weren't happy with that though, even after he had some success with tailored shifts. While we may not have realized how much he was being showcased at the time, we all knew he could still play behind Henrik and Kesler and still improve for when the opportunity presented itself later on.


Exactly, patience is a virtue with young players and frankly Hodgson didn't have it. In three years time when Sedins are on their way out, Hodgson would have that top 6 centre role and would have had a decent shot at captaincy as well.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:40 PM

Good for him
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

Good for CoHo. He's been a Captain or Assistant Captain of his teams in the past. Cody has leadership qualities. The best thing for him might be to play and dominate an entire season in the AHL.

Many players benefited from the last lockout. Jason Spezza is a good example. Perhaps the Sabres plan on keeping Cody in the AHL for an entire season even if the lockout ends early. I think it might be good for Cody.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

The way Hodgson left this team and the drama that unfolded I am surprised Cody gets a leadership role. When the NHL restarts look for more drama in the Sabers dressing room.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:15 PM

rotating captain, he's the best they have right now, someone else will take over when he goes up. not a big deal.

it may indicate the sabres think the lockout will last an entire season. bad news.


Well if that's system they have worked out good for them. But that possible indication worries me.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:18 PM

nice. I get the "C".


That will teach them for trading me.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

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Cody bashers are just the worst group of fans around this Forum. At least the Lou and Sedin haters have evidence and stats to make a case. Those who rip Cody for ultimately getting traded all blindly follow and speculate on the words of the one guy who's solely responsible for handling the trade. Words only made after the disappointments of the move were made apparent LOL!

People called him "soft" ha, funny I don't remember him passively taking any abuse from guys half his size like others on this team. Soft is not a term I would use to describe someone of below average size who played as a kid vs men and made an impact on an elite team. It was refreshing to see someone with a history of injury compete for rookie of the year while the entire season was defined by players not living up to their expectations after returning from surgeries.

People call him "slow"... On a forum where our fastest player is the whipping boy while players like the Sedins and Edler (who couldn't out skate the zamoboni) are superstars, it's surprising to see that speed is such a selling point. Looking at his breakaway slapshot and game winning goals vs Botson and Detroit, I don't think it was much of a problem.

People called him a "liability", well thank god for our defensive studs in Phalsson, Higgins, Kesler, Manny and Salo. You may remember them as the biggest plugs on the team vs LA.

You can talk all you want about "sheltered minutes" what a joke, pretty sure all of his 16 goals were not against Edmonton. How about the 57 minutes Kassian spent on the bench during the playoffs followed by the full 60 spent in the buffet served press box? What about sheltering Luongo by starting his backup in a redemption match vs Boston? Or the endless offensive zone starts the Sedins get against tired plugs after icing calls? All of this and it's the rookie who gets called out for being babied.

People say he's a "whiner" LOL, FFS LOOK AT OUR TEAM! We have some of the least respected players in the entire league, Gillis' speeches on character and attitude are just a bunch of BS.

This is a team that doesn't respond to midget rats and bullies

This is the team that thinks it's normal to allow 20+ goals in 3 playoff games 3 consecutive years

This is the team that hosts game 7 vs the blackhawks after a 3-0 series lead and then allows a SHORTHANDED GOAL in the dying minutes to force overtime AHHAHAH

This is the team that loses the most lopsided 7 game series in history after failing to score a single goal at home in the winner take all match.

This is the team that pulls the goalie and tries to lead a late game comeback, then shoots the puck over the glass for a penalty.....twice!!!LOL

This is the team with a statue of a guy whining to the refs outside it's stadium

So much for all this character and "heart of a canuck"

Kesler was so terrified of losing his job to this "punk kid" that he returned to play before he was ready just to stink up the joint and further prove how valuable Cody was. The trade was justified by our depth at center thus making Cody expendable..... How does that look now? Our center depth behind Hank includes...

-An injury prone air head who bring questions about being able to return to form and is appropriately being called out as one of the biggest most embarrassing divers in the league.
- A one eyed faceoff specialist
- A fourth line grinder
- An above average AHL player who can't even ride the big boy coaster at playland

such quality depth.....

Cody went out of his way to not put the blame on Gillis for his trade, he kept matters private. In return Gillis, a grown ass man, threw the kid under the bus on national TV to cover up and excuse his own stupidity. Cody quickly moved up the ranks in Buffalo, a team with just as many cups as us and a team that won exactly 1 less playoff game than us last year. Now he is wearing a C on his chest, does this sound like someone with personality issues? Right now this trade couldn't look much worse.

The guy Cody was traded for was benched in the playoffs
His replacement got tooled and then peaced for Sweden
Without Cody and Daniel in the PO our PP sucked and gave up multiple shorthanded goals that cost the first 2 games
We lack quality center depth
Have no real answers as to who is going to replace our stars when they retire

I don't really care about the trade, I prefer Zack and think he has a good shot at being the better player, but to justify this move by bashing Cody and saying we are better now because of it....just stupid.

Edited by CanucksSayEh, 04 October 2012 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

While I wouldn't call the situation with Hodgson playing on our 3rd line ideal (and everyone was aware of that as he'd be better suited to a top 6 role but was stuck behind Henrik and Kesler), I would certainly not start phrasing it as bad. He was given a very good chance to succeed despite not being in a more offensive role.

Think of the situation Jensen is in right now in Sweden, where he's an offensive forward playing on the 3rd line with PP time. He's leading AIK (the team he's playing on) in points. He'd like to be in a top 6 role, but he'll take positives from what he's doing and hopefully grow.

Hodgson was in a similar 3rd line role but still had the opportunity on our 2nd unit PP, where the center spot was actually a weakness not having another offensive centerman with Kesler on the 1st unit. Kesler changed that shutdown role to a blended one by sharing the tougher match ups at even strengh to allow Hodgson an easier time, particularly when they were showcasing him prior to the trade. He hardly had plugs playing with him either, with the likes of Hansen and Higgins as wingers.

Hodgson and his camp weren't happy with that though, even after he had some success with tailored shifts. While we may not have realized how much he was being showcased at the time, we all knew he could still play behind Henrik and Kesler and still improve for when the opportunity presented itself later on.


I agree with you entirely.

My post was more so trying to point out to that fella that his ideas were not entirely unique and his alone as many people shared those feelings prior to Hodge podge being traded.

I was entirely rooting for the guy when he was with the Canucks no doubt, and I was also not oblvious to the fact that his production was largely due to how he was being developed with the Canucks, by playing more "sheltered" moments and with little pressure to perform.

In the long run it would have been great for his development to stay in this situation, however, that is in the very long run when Hank and Kesler were both done and Hodge would finally get chance to move up. Although If he continued to progress like he was before the trade, it would have been very possible for him to move into a top 2 role in not too long...

My post was more so towards the fact that people have blinders on one way or the other with this situation, when, like many others have stated, we will never really no the result of this trade until years to come.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:33 PM

Of course, he should be the captain. He's a proud Canuck. Most former Canucks do well in other teams.


Is this some sort of cruel joke?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:20 PM

They're both going to be very good players with longevity in the NHL barring injures.

Hodgson has the year on him so keep that in mind.

CoHo is a talent, without a doubt. There are many many teams that would give him a shot.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

Why wouldn't he be upset?

Hodgson led us in scoring in January, when we had a near perfect record. Were some of his points sheltered? Sure; but who receives more sheltered minutes than the Sedin's? The answer is not a single player in the league! What is wrong with employing Hodgson in situations he was good at? But back to being justified at being upset; he was summarily dumped from any meaningful minutes as soon as January was over.

But not all his minutes were sheltered. Game tying goal against San Jose while Thornton is on the ice, blasting the insulation goal over reigning vezina winner Tim Thomas top shelf, doing same against Detroit while Lidstrom is on the ice... Playing SECOND line at the WJC (while Tavares got the prime PP and offensive draws) drawing the key defensive match ups. Oh wait?

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Look, Hodgson could have demonstrated a more robust level of compete. But that could have been said of many players for long stretches last year. And speak of his being slow are more rooted in our memory of watching him for 2 years injured. He was a top penalty killer in junior, and considered a two way centre in international play. He will be fine, and a productive player for years.

We just need to hope Kassian fulfils his physical potential, which can substantially help our team. But fans are foolish to think we actually did not give up anything to get him.

My main critique remains that if we were a contender; if we gave up a player with such promise, why did we not get a 26 year old seasoned version who had already shed his baby fat, and passed his critical tests?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:32 PM

He's probably captain to learn to lead by example.Might make em back check a little harder and open his eyes to things he wasn't seeing before.It's like being a lead hand on a union shift your still in the union but the If things go wrong your somewhat responsible for everyone so your attitude changes a bit.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

I'll take a big winger in Kassian over a small slow skating Hodgson. At least Kassian can be used in more situations than just the powerplay which is the only place where Hodgson's foot speed is acceptable. Even if Kassian doesn't put up the numbers Hodgson does, Kass fills a much bigger need in terms of toughness. All NHL teams dream of the Lucic type which can play top 6 minutes and still act as an enforcer. We could well have that in Kassian.


Or, we could well have another Steve Bernier.

And as a Canuck fan, I would think that you would be well-informed to not be turned-off by a general lack of speed. Those two guys that look alike on our team have been labeled as "too slow" forever.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:00 PM

Or his agent and his father are the issue, as has been widely speculated. Try considering all the possibilities for once, King.

He's still a kid, but if his father is pushing his career that might be the one person that sways him into making decisions he otherwise wouldn't. Having changed agents a number of times before settling on Winters, that further points to a controlling interest in his career. Considering the reports from many people (not just Gillis' word) about Cody's character, it would make sense he has a little help in decision making off the ice.

But yeah, not really Canucks Talk, and odd the Sabres would make the decision. I could see them making an announcement along with Rochester, but you'd think the AHL team would just take Buffalo's advice and make the decision themselves. Perhaps it's just the wording of the announcement.

Oh, and BTW, Kassian has an 'A' (or did for last night's game at least):
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:39 PM

Why make a player that you plan on having on the Sabres captain of the farm team?

What does that tell you about the lenght of the lock out? There is no way that anything that has happened to date is any surprise to the insiders. Just today there was a story in the paper on how the players have started to get their finance ready for a lock out last spring.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

He was not named captain by the Rochester Americans. He was captain for that preseason game.

Makes no sense naming somebody that will be back up in the NHL once it begins captain.
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