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Templeton Peck

[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 3.0

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But lets say all they have to give up was a 4th round pick for Bryz. would you not do that? I would.

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No not joKing, and not surprised that you object.

On the other hand, if Bryz were a Canuck and Luongo a Flyer, what would we have to give up to land Luongo?

Keep in mind the numerous deals that Holmgren cut recently sending guys with very similar contracts to Luongo, Carter and Richards, out of town in exchange for a stable load of quality young players...

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If you were Toronto and you were offered Bryz for very little would you not do it? I probably would to be honest.

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I agree they would decline, but I don't think they would laugh.

Schneider = Kane

Edler = to or > Byfuglien

Raymond + Ballard + 1st + 1st > Ladd

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It would be the gamble of all gambles. Of course, it could work, but I just doubt very seriously that any GM would want to expose themselves to that degree of risk. A contract like that is a potential franchise killer.

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Carter & Richards were traded as 26 year-olds.

And again, there will simply always be more buyers for scoring forwards then there will be for star goaltenders, because there are only 30 starting goalie jobs in the league.

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The Losers can't be choosers...once Luongo is off the market to a better bidder, they'll have to take what they can get...hahaha

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By the way - welcome back King - people here may complain about your tendency to devalue Canucks, but evidently this thread wasn't the same when you weren't around....

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Kane is more valuable than Schneider, because they already have Pavelec and because Kane is such a rare talent (also 5 years younger).

This will probably get me flamed, but I'd rather have Byfuglien than Edler. Again, it's the rarity of his skillset.

The last one is by far the biggest disparity. Andrew Ladd is far more valuable than that package. Ballard is not worth a thing, and will probably be a casualty of this lockout. Don't be surprised if he's played his last game as a Canuck. So it's basically Raymond & 2 (late) 1sts for their captain. Not likely.

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See of course they would. Even you backed off your original statement a bit there.

Either way, Toronto has a ton of terrible contracts and a team that is going nowhere, worst case scenerio Bryz doesn't pan out and they are stuck the same way they are right now, best case scenerio, he plays like someone worthy of that contract.

And even Bryz as he was last year is better than Toronto's current goaltending.

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If Burke doesn't want to ante-up for Luongo, he is free to go elsewhere and get what he pays for...

Not sure he could pass on Bryz if Philly snatched Luongo out from under him. There are a lot of Leafs fans sewing the L U O onto their jerseys... Bryz would be a necessary consolation veteran.

I think Philly would definitely consider a pair of deals that wind up being:

Luongo, Edler and Kadri/Bozak

for

Bryzgalov, Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn.

They upgrade in goal, they upgrade their blueline, they downgrade from Couturier to a Leaf, and they give up one of their many young forwards - a right wing who would make this deal very hard for Vancouver to pass up.

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And again your logic is reductive/undialectical - as there are less than 30 starting goaltenders, and a whole hell of a lot of "scoring forwards"...

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1. I wasn't comparing them based on Circumstances, I was saying valuewise, Schneider = Kane. which he does.

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By the way - welcome back King - people here may complain about your tendency to devalue Canucks, but evidently this thread wasn't the same when you weren't around....

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Haha I see what you did, you edited your post after to change your words, clever.

I guess that's the end of that then.

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Agreed. Thanks to BureToMogilny, I came to the realization that King of the ES is really a kitten thinking himself a tiger.

Whereas BureToMogilny is more like a rabbid Tatoo; the midget on the show Fantasy Island.

Welcome back King.

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I didn't edit my post. What I said was that it could work out for them, but it would be the gamble of all gambles that I doubt any GM would be "bold" enough to take.

Only way Philly gets rid of Bryz is by trading him to Columbus, and they'd probably have to take back Wisniewski in return and give Columbus a 1st round pick, as well. That could make them Philly buyers for Luongo.

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Doubt it, but OK.

Here's where you lose me:

  1. Ballard is not a top-four defenseman.

  2. Raymond can not replace Ladd, and he does not have the potential to be just as good. Do you honestly think that Mason Raymond will one day be captaining an NHL team?

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