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[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 3.0

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Coburn may not be the same type of player as Edler - but a guy like him who skates well, has great size and moves the puck effectively would still make a good partner for Garrison, who has partnered with stay at home, and offensive puck rushing defensmen. Garrison's versatilitiy imo is a great asset.

Couturier could step onto the third line (and Hodgson would soon be long forgotten) - that line would become downright incredible. Couturier at 19 years old had only 40.3% offensive zone starts last year, scored a respectable 27 points, was also respectable in the face off circle, and had impressive corsi numbers considering the contexts in which he played. He just turned 20 last week. Forget Bjugstad as well - Couturier would be a better option imo.

Simmonds, well kind of goes without saying - 2nd line RW who could also be deadly switching off with Burrows to change things up...

I think Philly would have to think hard about this deal. Holmgren is not shy about pulling the trigger, and he has the quality and quantity up front to afford to make this kind of move when the end result is to make Philly that much stronger on the back end, where they were literally terrible at times last year, particularly in the playoffs.

If Holmgren were to hook up with Burke again and exchange Bryz for the Bozak, they wind up not much worse for the wear up the middle (actually Philly could really use a veteran center), and in the end exchanged Simmonds in order to land the significant upgrades Luo and Edler bring. Holmgren actually comes out ahead of what he managed to land in the Carter and Richards deals (Vorachek, 8th overall (Couturier), Columbus' 3rd rounder, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and the Kings 2nd in 2012....

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Thus, the greater importance of having as a good a goaltender as you can afford. There still will only be 30 buyers ES, as there still are only 30 teams, no matter how many scorers are for sale. You erred !

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I wonder this all the time as well. I actually still see Reimer as a legitimate option for Toronto. He could go and pull a Raycroft but I really like Reimer. Perhaps with a new tutor in TO coupled with a good chunk of time after his concussion he comes back to form. Given what he's had in front of him I think he's done reasonably well.

People may not be giving up on Reimer though as much as they are assuming Burke is going to. Seems counter intuitive to his days as Canucks GM where he couldn't be paid to give up on Cloutier but it just feels like it's a real possibility.

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Maybe the same bold GM who thought trading two first round draft picks and a 2nd round draft pick for Phil Kessel...talk about bold.

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Now this is exactly what I meant by thinking of other options than Toronto and Florida, plain and simple. Luongo/ Edler for Simmonds/ Couturier/ Coburn is an excellent trade for both sides.

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I don't think that really matter.

Edler is faster & more mobile, makes better plays/more reliable, everything else is pretty even. And I agree Edler has consistency issue's from time to time but he is more consistent than Byfuglien IMO.

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I had a vision of the future: Schneider gets injured - either in Switzerland or at the beginning of next season....but somehow it all works out in the end and we win the cup. You heard it here first.

- ps. 12/21/2012 isn't the end of the world - 08/11/2082 is.

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Gomez's contract expires in about 18 months. Bryz's expires in 2020.

I'll take Gomez, thanks.

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In 2011, he didn't do "reasonably well", he was spectacular and almost led them to the playoffs.

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The logic of that deal was not that bad, from Toronto's perspective; it just didn't turn out good for them. Burke simply underestimated how bad the Leafs were. He took a gamble, and he lost.

Kessel is a very, very good player, so it's hard to really say that they "lost".

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So you'd rather pay a guy thats only scored 2 goals in 2 years $7.5 million a year, than pay a guy $5.6 million that can win you games when he's playing decent? Not sure if serious...

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Both situations you've got a problem. One it's short term and the other it's long term. I think a lot of GM's would take the short term problem and make the best of it.

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Then where are all the buyers for Luongo? "Only 30 teams" means a lack of available jobs. Not a lot of teams are looking for a goaltender. That's why it's more difficult to trade a guy like Luongo than it is to trade a guy like Richards or Carter.

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In 2011, he didn't do "reasonably well", he was spectacular and almost led them to the playoffs.

It is a possibility, though it would go against everything that Burke has claimed to stand for (as it relates to the lifetime contract).

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This is silly semantics.

End of the Kessel is a good player and that withstanding they lost the living hell out of that trade.

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So you'd rather pay a guy thats only scored 2 goals in 2 years $7.5 million a year, than pay a guy $5.6 million that can win you games when he's playing decent? Not sure if serious...

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My point referring to Byfuglien was that his size and ability to play and be a general pain in the a$$ was a big factor in turning a player like Luongo into something of a basketcase in the playoffs.

If Byfuglien could do that to Luongo (who was brilliant in his 3 series before the encounters with Chicago), he could probably do that to another good goaltender, which of course doesn't show up on any stats sheet.

Edler has done nothing of the sort. Good player nonetheless.

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