Ossi Vaananen Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Until you can grow facial hair, your opinion means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Give me a few examples if you have infinite possibilities and I'll show you exactly why it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I guess I'll have to repeat myself - as usual where you are concerned - the guy you refer to as "some other d" is Petrovic - he's a big, physical right handed blueliner with a huge shot and a mean streak - the very type of prospect the Canucks could use to add balance to their pool of d prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Remember when Dany Heatley wanted out of Ottawa?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Until you can grow facial hair, your opinion means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung Pony Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Heatley's value was decreased because teams dont want a player who would screw over his team asking for a trade. Lou hasn't done that. We all know he is a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Heatley's value was decreased because teams dont want a player who would screw over his team asking for a trade. Lou hasn't done that. We all know he is a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 No actually he isn't quicker and better and the only reason we finished first is because of our goaltending, from January and Feburary on we struggled to score and Lu put together great effort after great effort to keep us on top of the pack down the stretch, and in the playoff games he played he was our best player. He would do fine on there team because our Defense was just as bad at times and we still kept winning, thanks to Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I can grow a bigger beard in a week and a half than you probably could in a year. Guess you have nothing else to say about that downright awful proposal of your's other than weak insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 so far..Edmonton wanting Lou is a rumour...unless Gillis has told you different.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 If the rumor of PK Subban for Yakupov swirling around is accurate, if Edmonton is willing to offload Yakupov, why not attempt a 1-1 deal - Yakupov (next Bure) for Luongo? Give us a lot more offensive options and youth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Valid point. Heatley was forcing a deal where Luongo hasn't forced anything. Luongo has only said he'd accept a trade considering Schneider's rise, not that he won't play in Vancouver ever again. As far as on ice play and character, Luongo's still seen as a good goalie, and a pretty good guy in the locker room. Heatley was seen as a top winger when his deal went down, but also a bit of a cancer personality-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Remember when Dany Heatley wanted out of Ottawa? At the time, he was one of the very best scoring forwards in the entire league. He had gotten 180 goals over 4 years in Ottawa, and was only 28 years old at the time of his demand to leave. Surely, Dany Heatley, one of the best forwards in the NHL, a pure scorer with size, just about to enter what should be his prime years, would bring back something remarkable for the Senators, right? Well, guess again. There was first an accepted offer with the Oilers, who offered Andrew Cogliano (key piece of the deal), Dustin Penner, and Ladislav Smid. Cogliano was intriguing - two 18-goal seasons to start off his NHL career (sound like anyone else? Frolik?). Penner, though, was obviously in there only because of cap constraints by the Oilers - a decent player, but certainly overpaid and not popular in Edmonton at all. Smid was a mediocre 4 - 6 defenceman with a bit of growth potential, but he really hadn't showed much at all since being drafted in the 1st round in '04. Heatley vetoed this - something Luongo can also do - so Bryan Murray went shopping again. San Jose called, and offered Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo, and a 2nd round pick. Michalek was a 25 year-old who, though decent, had not lived up to his 6th overall selection in 2003. His production had dropped and San Jose was probably starting to lose faith. Cheechoo was another guy who's production had dropped drastically in each of the previous 3 seasons. From 56 goals in '05-'06 all the way down to 12 in '08-'09, when SJ traded him. So basically, what did Ottawa get for one of the very best scorers - if not the best - in the league, who was 28 years old? From Edmonton:Cogliano, a 25th overall pick from a few years earlier, who had shown promise in his first two NHL seasonsPenner, a moderately productive yet vastly overpaid player that is not popular in EdmontonSmid, a serviceable d-man that probably maxes out as a mid-pairing guy From San Jose:Michalek, a pretty good player, second-line, still some potential, not as good as expectedCheechoo, a guy who had totally fallen off the rails, a trend that went on to continue Knowing this, please, explain to me how 33 year-old Roberto Luongo, with 9 years left on his deal, and with a shaky reputation, is somehow going to land us Nail Yakupov, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, or, as you and Gollumpus surmised yesterday, Teddy Purcell + Keith Aulie + TB's 1st. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 You were expecting more out Michalek? More then 35 goals and 60 points? I'm sorry - but in hindsight - Ottawa got a better deal with Michalek then they would've with Smid/Cogliano/Penner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 "Luongo hasn't forced anything" is a bit of a half-truth. May not be as blatant as Heatley's, but he wants out and he's getting traded, so, fundamentally, it's the same thing. Everybody knows that his days as a Canuck are numbered, which directly affects the price that they're willing to pay. On the "cancer" thing, again, probably not true, because if those rumors were accurate, he would not have been on the 2010 Olympic team. He was seen as one of the very best snipers in the league - at 28 years old - and all they were able to get for him was Michalek and Cheechoo. So a reasonable person should think that we'll get a far less appealing package for Luongo, who's 33, has a pretty bad contract (length, not cap hit), and a shaky reputation. The RNH, Yakupov, Purcell/Aulie/1st deals need to be laid to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Kevin Lowe saying his goaltending is an area that could use an upgrade isn't a rumour though. Luongo has at least shown he can be a starter in the NHL, which is why he has concerns over Dubnyk. Until Dubnyk shows he can be that guy, there will be questions about his abilities and proven starters like Luongo will be rumoured as potential targets. Face facts, for all your arguments to the contrary, it hasn't stopped smarter people than you in the hockey media from at least seeing the potential for this kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King of the ES Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 So, Luongo not forcing a deal ("I would accept a trade" is not the same as "you must trade me") would also have a lesser effect on lowering the return he could get, would it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 You are assuming they are smarter than me and still no confirmation that Luongo is in their sights !! Lowe saying an upgrade in goal could mean a better backup to share the load...everyone looks at the scenerios to suit their own views. I still think a Luongo deal is done in principal, pending the signing of a new CBA...and I'd be surprised if it was Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It's just semantics. He is getting traded. Vancouver will not be paying their backup goaltender $5.3M for very long. That's why the effect is unchanged - the end result is that Roberto Luongo will be somewhere else. That was a hockey trade. Big difference. This is about dumping Luongo, no matter how badly you guys don't want to think that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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