Pears Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Im thinking if Phaneuf is coming to Vancouver via Luongo, then it won't be just Luongo, but a package. Maybe something like this To Vancouver: Dion Phaneuf + Matthew Lombardi To Toronto: Roberto Luongo + David Booth + Mason Raymond + Chris Tanev + maybe a pick (2nd-4th) Luongo, Booth, Tanev = Phaneuf Raymond, pick = Lombardi Edler - Phaneuf Hamhuis - Bieksa Ballard - Garrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Or a 12 year who plays atom hockey... Judging by you consistant Lu bashing and support of Dubnyk, I am thinking it's time to go to school. Schneider is the better goalie but to bash Lu like he's accomplished nothing is rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 TOR G Corey Schneider D Chris Tanev D Keith Ballard 1st VAN D Dion Phaneuf C Lombardi(cap dump) D Morgan Reilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Or a 12 year who plays atom hockey... Judging by you consistant Lu bashing and support of Dubnyk, I am thinking it's time to go to school. Schneider is the better goalie but to bash Lu like he's accomplished nothing is rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Niether of those get accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I only ever comment on goaltending, its what I know. I don;t profess to know about good or bad trades for Lou and don;t pass comment on prospective trades. Goaltending is a numbers game, have never said Lou can;t play or is a backup goalie, just that he has some bad habits that translate into game to game inconsistancies. Had he continued(last season) with Melansons recommendations , he probably would not be on the trading block, but he regressed to Francois allaire teachings which are no longer a fit for Lou. As for Dubnyk, I watched him a few times last season and see a lot of upsides . He was a first round pick for a reason and my opinion had nothing to do with that ! some people obviously saw him as a talent. His SP was only .005 behind Lou. playing on bottom feeding Oilers while Lou was on President Cup winning team. Because I'd pick him over Lou is not a diss on Lou but an endorsement on Dubnyk. I'm willing to bet, of all my critics, not one is a goaltender, goaltender coach or has any real understanding of the position. Teams have goalie coaches because, even NHL coaches don;t understand the science. Its taken me a lot of years to gain my knowledge and a lot many more how to apply it to my students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It is better to know a little about everything than everything about a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 While Luongo may have dropped off and Schneider may have had good outings, the sample sizes are just too small to make sweeping projections that Schneider's already better than Luongo. Luongo could bring up his play again after a trade and Schneider could falter under a higher workload. You can't discount how the team was playing in front of each goalie as well. I'm not saying it won't be the case in future, as it could be, just that we don't know for sure yet. What we do know is Luongo is much more accomplished to this point, and my opinion is he'd handle a tough situation better than Schneider at this point in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 They both will and a coin toss will decide which one goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'd rather keep Schneider, Tanev, Ballard and the 1st than take on Phaneuf and Lombardi - even if it does get us Rielly. While Luongo may have dropped off and Schneider may have had good outings, the sample sizes are just too small to make sweeping projections that Schneider's already better than Luongo. Luongo could bring up his play again after a trade and Schneider could falter under a higher workload. You can't discount how the team was playing in front of each goalie as well. I'm not saying it won't be the case in future, as it could be, just that we don't know for sure yet. What we do know is Luongo is much more accomplished to this point, and my opinion is he'd handle a tough situation better than Schneider at this point in their careers. I don't know why so many want to include Phaneuf, the Leafs captain and one of Burke's poster boys for truculence. C_H_101's proposal earlier is at least not far from what I'd do, but this one takes away the one piece I'd truly like in Rielly and we give up more from our side as well. No thanks to this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Sorry can't let this misinformation pass. Lou is NOT more accomplished than Schneider, Schneiders skill level is much higher than Lou's and his fundamentals are what make him so dependable. I will agree that time will tell how well he does in the longterm but last year he blew away Lou in all stats. Lou has proven that he is not mentally strong in the playoffs, being hot or cold. As for the team playing better in front of Schneider...Schneider directs rebounds better than Lou, seals off the net better,and does less flopping. Lou loses his stick virtually every game, gets pulled once every 11 games. The team plays better because Schneider makes it easier to play in front of. Your post shows you really don;t know what you watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Sorry can't let this misinformation pass. Lou is NOT more accomplished than Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 ... So even though there are no "for sure"s in this, to me it's a no-brainer. You absolutely keep Couture/Schneider, and move Marleau/Luongo. And that's coming from a guy with a #1 jersey in his closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 You didn't just say that, did you? If so then you have just lost all credibility with that dumb statement. Luongo has an Olympic Gold Medal, multiple Vezina nominations, a Jennings Trophy, and has carried his team to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Out of that list Schneider only has a Jennings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I don't question Lou's past Accomplishments , however, I use the term accomplished as in accomplished in the craft of goaltending. At this point in time, from a technical sense, Schneider is more accomplished . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHodgson9 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I don't question Lou's past Accomplishments , however, I use the term accomplished as in accomplished in the craft of goaltending. At this point in time, from a technical sense, Schneider is more accomplished . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Wrong again. Technically Luongo has more wins, was drafted higher, has had more vezina nominations, played more games, so in the craft of goaltending he has accomplished more. There's nothing else you can really say that will save this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I don't question Lou's past Accomplishments , however, I use the term accomplished as in accomplished in the craft of goaltending. At this point in time, from a technical sense, Schneider is more accomplished . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I don't question Lou's past Accomplishments , however, I use the term accomplished as in accomplished in the craft of goaltending. At this point in time, from a technical sense, Schneider is more accomplished . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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