King of the ES Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So your comparing a player who gets 1st/2nd line minutes, and 1st PP time, plus is getting paid like a 50 goal/100 Point player to a player on the 3rd pair with no PP time, another terribly unfair comparison for King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Keith Ballard points Phoenix: 39, 27, 21 Florida: 34,28 Vancouver: 7, 7 Keith Ballard can get points if he's allowed to play his game. In Vancouver as a third pairing with extremely limited shifts, he cannot. He just... doesn't fit the Canucks. He is playing in a position that could be filled by a $500,000 player. With Garrison coming in, Ballard has even less chance of making the top four. VAN Schneider Edler Ballard This package will get any available 1D in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The Canucks didn't expect him to be on the 3rd pair, when they acquired him. He ended up there. Mike Gillis, you can be sure, was expecting to have acquired a top-4, maybe even a top-2 defenceman that day. Keith has not delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 But it would completely destroy our depth defense. Hamhuis - D man from Schneider trade Bieksa - Garrison Tanev - Alberts Yea...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I fully agree with this statement. Schneider is unproven as a 1G. He might have great numbers as a backup but has not played 70+. The only year Luongo played less games then Schneider was his year with the Islanders (24) in 1999-00. So far, Schneider has answerd all questions with his play but there is a difference between playing 33, 45, 55, 65 and 75 games in a season and then roll into the playoffs. At this point, I would rather bet on a fatiqued Luongo then a fatigued Schneider when all cards are on the table. And yes, Luongo + Schneider returns greatly outweigh Schneider + Luongo returns. Theoretically, Schneider can be traded to 29 teams of 30 teams as his contract does not require his permission, thereby increasing bidding, whereas Luongo, so far, can be traded to three teams, five if he actually breaks his contract terms and submits a list of five teams, which he is not allowed to do until a specific date. The Canucks are stuck between two choices regarding Luongo: suck his contract, which in reality is very savvy, or accept a very low return. Whereas with Schneider, they can trade to the highest bidder and there would be high bidders, especially at a trade deadline. In a sense, by lowballing the Canucks on Luongo, other teams are telling the Canucks a few things: Why would you trade your franchise goaltender? We don't want to absorb Luongo's contract. How about that kid and what would you want for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 PHANEUF - GARRISON HAMHUIS - BIEKSA TANEV - RIELLY LUONGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What's your proposed deal to acquire this defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Phaneuf and Reilly for Schneider, Edler and Ballard. God no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri Hamhuis-Bieksa Edler-Phaneuf - they would punish people, Phaneuf fits the west better imo. Garrison-Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What's so difficult to understand? Is it not just shots generated towards the opponents net vs. shots generated towards your net? Do you not see the clear potential for manipulation? What about the guys who just shoot everything on net, when the smart play would've been to either hold or pass? What about the guys who get credit for shots while not touching the puck at all for the entire shift? 2 of the top 3 Corsi guys in the 2010-11 season were members of the powerhouse Toronto Maple Leafs. Coming in at #5 was none other than Mason Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfxHaley Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Man I never get an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri Hamhuis-Bieksa Edler-Phaneuf - they would punish people, Phaneuf fits the west better imo. Garrison-Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't mind this, and I'm a pretty big critic of Phaneuf. I think he would be better in a steady system, like what he was used to when he was playing with Hamrlik, Giordano and Regehr. We also dump significant cap space, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri Hamhuis-Bieksa Edler-Phaneuf - they would punish people, Phaneuf fits the west better imo. Garrison-Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yes but how does the return for Cory help Luongo's inconsistency issues in the playoffs? It's not as though a star D-man or forward can be on the ice all the time protecting him or scoring lots of goals. I think the team would be better during the regular season with Luongo and Cory's return, without question, but that's not what the Canucks need. During the playoffs I believe we would be better with Cory and Luongo's return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 2 of the top 3 Corsi guys in the 2010-11 season were members of the powerhouse Toronto Maple Leafs. Coming in at #5 was none other than Mason Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 In before the argument that Phaneuf can't play on the right side... Sigh... Zoolander couldn't turn left. When he did, he saved the world and Vietnamese underwear sweatshops. Where there's a will there's a way! A Vancouver defense with Phaneuf is a better team then a Vancouver defense without Phaneuf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Except that you're in after, pages after. Why settle for Phaneuf and Kadri if there's a possibility of landing this pair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We also won't know what he's like next playoffs considering he hasn't had a bad playoff game since 2011. I'd think those days are behind him now. The extra return from Cory would offset the potential bad game or 2 by Lu IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't think they would accept, Burke still views Dion as the player he once was in Calgary early in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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