+/- is a team-based statistic. Toronto sucks, so this shouldn't be a surprise. Their leader in that category, Clarke MacArthur, ended up with a whopping +3.
No it's not.
If it's a team based statistic then explain how Bieksa was a minus player in both 08-09 and 09-10 before Hammer got here, both years our team was good and we won the division.
It's not a team based statistic, sure playing on Toronto doesn't help at all I agree with that, but if he played in Hamhuis's spot on this team he wouldn't be +29 like Hamhuis was, cause as you see with Edler, just because your on an amazing team doesn't guarentee and a good +/-.
They're not similar players. Nobody's thinking twice about going into the corners or cutting into the middle if Alex Edler's on their tail. He hits, just not frequently enough. And he's far more of a gentleman. Phaneuf is the kind of guy that you do not enjoy playing against. Big difference.
You say there not similar, I beg to differ.
He hit's big (I shouldn't have to show you examples, if your a fan like you say you are should already know, and he hits big in the corner's too, ex. Frolik.)
He has the big blast from the point.
And an area I think he is better than Phaneuf, is wrist shots from the point and jumping into the play.
Now your right he doesn't hit as much, or even blast as many (as I said he is more of a wrist shot guy it seems) but he has those skills, that's why he is similar. He hits hard, has a heavy shot (Phaneuf's biggest strenghts).
He's basicly the European Phaneuf (for lack of a better term).
So I don't know how you came to the conclusion that he isn't similar when he posses some of the same skills, plus as I said I think he is better at jumping up in the play, has better hands (for dekes/shootout) and has a better wrist shot from the point.
And the reason Edler is this good is consistentcy, that's why people like me argue that Phaneuf isn't as good as he once was, cause he lacks consistentcy.
Disagree completely. Phaneuf's better today and is 3 years younger. I like
Hamhuis but he's not Dion Phaneuf. but he's not Dan Hamhuis***
Edited by Smashian Kassian, 12 November 2012 - 03:54 PM.