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#1291 WolfxHaley

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:55 PM

Man I never get an answer.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:01 PM

Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Phaneuf - they would punish people, Phaneuf fits the west better imo.
Garrison-Tanev


I don't mind this, and I'm a pretty big critic of Phaneuf. I think he would be better in a steady system, like what he was used to when he was playing with Hamrlik, Giordano and Regehr. We also dump significant cap space, I like it.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

I don't mind this, and I'm a pretty big critic of Phaneuf. I think he would be better in a steady system, like what he was used to when he was playing with Hamrlik, Giordano and Regehr. We also dump significant cap space, I like it.


In before the argument that Phaneuf can't play on the right side... Sigh...

Zoolander couldn't turn left. When he did, he saved the world and Vietnamese underwear sweatshops.

Where there's a will there's a way!

A Vancouver defense with Phaneuf is a better team then a Vancouver defense without Phaneuf.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:20 PM

Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Phaneuf - they would punish people, Phaneuf fits the west better imo.
Garrison-Tanev


I don't think they would accept, Burke still views Dion as the player he once was in Calgary early in his career.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

Yes but how does the return for Cory help Luongo's inconsistency issues in the playoffs? It's not as though a star D-man or forward can be on the ice all the time protecting him or scoring lots of goals.
I think the team would be better during the regular season with Luongo and Cory's return, without question, but that's not what the Canucks need. During the playoffs I believe we would be better with Cory and Luongo's return.


We also won't know what he's like next playoffs considering he hasn't had a bad playoff game since 2011. I'd think those days are behind him now. The extra return from Cory would offset the potential bad game or 2 by Lu IMO.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:10 AM

2 of the top 3 Corsi guys in the 2010-11 season were members of the powerhouse Toronto Maple Leafs. Coming in at #5 was none other than Mason Raymond.


Where did you get this information King?

There are about 57 odd corsi categories - depending upon which one you look at, the rankings vary rather significantly.

If you are talking about relative corsi (which is the category Grabovski lead, with Macarthur 3rd, Kesler 4th and Raymond 5th) - the thing about relative corsi is that you are comparing a given player to their team-mates. So your attempt to maintain that corsi stats lack credibility because a couple of Leafs rank highly is apparently lacking the realization that relatively solid two way Leafs enjoy the advantage of being compared to the rest of the Leafs hahaha - In the case of Grabovski (who is actually an exceptional two-way player, the best the Leafs have), he stands out at +21.3 compared to his fairly weak team-mates, including the likes of Phaneuf and Kessel, who some highlight reel fans think are "stars", but in the real world were minus relative corsi players - even on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If you look at 2011/12, you find the Sedins (the guys you claim are declining haha) at #1 and #4 - with Bergeron and Seguin at 2 and 3 - David Booth fiinished number 8 and Burrows (another of the Canucks "old" guys) #10.

There are counterindications to this particular stat - relative corsi is effected/advantaged rather strongly by offensive zone starts - and in addition, teams that use particular shut down lines - as the Canucks do with Malhotra and Lapierre as almost exclusively a defensive zone start specialist line - that line will naturally have fairly high negative relative corsi numbers - which don't particularly reflect their effectiveness - and which push their team-mates relative corsi numbers higher. When you have a player like Hodgson who enjoys more offensive zone starts and yet is a -6.8 relative corsi, it might just indicate that he may not be a very good two-way hockey player. Compare him to his linemates - Hansen had only 40.4% offensive zone starts, yet a better relative corsi than Hodgson, and Higgins 46.6 and yet had a positive relative corsi (2.2) - that might suggest that these two guys were the stronger links in that line.

Garrison's numbers changed significantly reflecting his role, but show the same positive trend.
He went from a shut down role where he had only 42% off zone starts and yet his relative corsi was nearly even (-0.8), with 49.7% offensive zone finishes - to a top pairing role where his offensive zone starts increased and his relative corsi jumped to best on the Panthers at +10.8, despite his relative quality of competition - which was in the top 10 in the NHL in 2010/11 - remaining 2nd highest among Panthers defenseman (meaning to a certain extent he was used in way that balanced a top pairing offensive role and a shutdown role).

He was also the Panthers relative +/- leader among defensemen, their top goal scorer, 2nd in points... stats you seem to like King (at least if you're talking about a player whose tires you are trying to pump).
Perhaps most interesting - Garrison was also the Panthers relative +/- leader among defensemen the year before - which would seem to indicate that last season was not a "breakout" season - it was more of the same with an additional top pairing/scoring role added.

Glad we signed this guy below market value, for 6 years. :bigblush:

Edited by oldnews, 19 November 2012 - 12:39 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:20 AM

In before the argument that Phaneuf can't play on the right side... Sigh...

Zoolander couldn't turn left. When he did, he saved the world and Vietnamese underwear sweatshops.

Where there's a will there's a way!

A Vancouver defense with Phaneuf is a better team then a Vancouver defense without Phaneuf.


Except that you're in after, pages after.

Why settle for Phaneuf and Kadri if there's a possibility of landing this pair?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:30 AM

Except that you're in after, pages after.

Why settle for Phaneuf and Kadri if there's a possibility of landing this pair?

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The "in before" was in reference to the fact that it has already been discussed a few pages ago. Gotta love the internet...

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 19 November 2012 - 12:38 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:12 AM

We also won't know what he's like next playoffs considering he hasn't had a bad playoff game since 2011. I'd think those days are behind him now. The extra return from Cory would offset the potential bad game or 2 by Lu IMO.


True, however he's only had 2 games since 2011 and he wasn't exactly remarkable. He wasn't in meltdown territory but definitely not as good as Cory was.
It's hard to say if Luongo's bad days are behind him, I'm inclined to think they aren't. When we lost in 2009 I could swear such a thing would never happen again the way it did (I was still a big Luongo fan). Then it happened again in 2010 and I thought the high of winning the Olympics and the extra games may have affected him (still a fan). Then again in 2011 against Chicago I was like "what the hell", no Byfuglien, no Versteeg, no Ladd, no Eager, no really good supporting cast and we still very nearly blew a 3-0 series lead to an 8th seed. Then of course there was Boston and after the first two games especially, I really thought he had conquered his demons, then as we all know things went rather sideways after that (disgruntled, not a big fan). I am aware that we scored very few goals and it's not Luongo's job to do that, but there is no really good excuse as to why he gave up so many. Those kind of scores were uncommon in the Finals in the 80s.
Then there was last year, we didn't score enough, Luongo was fairly ordinary for playoff games, and Cory took his job and gave the team a good chance to win (big Schneider fan, Luongo not so much, too many disappointments).
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:22 AM

I don't think they would accept, Burke still views Dion as the player he once was in Calgary early in his career.


Luongo + Ballard for Phaneuf + Kadri.

Hmm, yup, I'd have to say that I agree with your assessment. However, I'm a lot more confident than "I don't think they would accept", I'm absolutely, unequivocally, will-delete-my-account-if-it-happens certain that Brian Burke would not execute that trade.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:27 AM

If you are talking about relative corsi (which is the category Grabovski lead, with Macarthur 3rd, Kesler 4th and Raymond 5th) - the thing about relative corsi is that you are comparing a given player to their team-mates. So your attempt to maintain that corsi stats lack credibility because a couple of Leafs rank highly is apparently lacking the realization that relatively solid two way Leafs enjoy the advantage of being compared to the rest of the Leafs hahaha - In the case of Grabovski (who is actually an exceptional two-way player, the best the Leafs have), he stands out at +21.3 compared to his fairly weak team-mates, including the likes of Phaneuf and Kessel, who some highlight reel fans think are "stars", but in the real world were minus relative corsi players - even on the Toronto Maple Leafs.


If that's the case, then why were there also 2 Vancouver Canucks in the top 5? President's Trophy winners. Was the Canuck bus driven that heavily by Kesler & Raymond in 2010-11?

And BTW, Stamkos was one guy mentioned as a minus relative corsi player. Would he be considered a "star"? Maybe Toronto is assembling a team of corsi stars, rather than guys who can score...how's that been working out for them?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:10 AM

The "in before" was in reference to the fact that it has already been discussed a few pages ago. Gonna love the internet...


Yeah - I don't think you understand how "in before" is used.

Gotta love how much smarter you are than the dumb ole interwebz.

Edited by oldnews, 19 November 2012 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:28 AM

If that's the case, then why were there also 2 Vancouver Canucks in the top 5? President's Trophy winners. Was the Canuck bus driven that heavily by Kesler & Raymond in 2010-11?

And BTW, Stamkos was one guy mentioned as a minus relative corsi player. Would he be considered a "star"? Maybe Toronto is assembling a team of corsi stars, rather than guys who can score...how's that been working out for them?

:bigblush:


Did you read the post King? "Relative corsi" statistic are relative King - relative to team-mates. You seem to get the point regarding Kesler and Raymond, and then draw a blank regarding the Leafs.

Kesler and Raymond are actually both strong two-way hockey players - they both possess excellent speed, backcheck hard every time, use their great skating to make themselves difficult to play against, and they work hard - it's actually fairly easy to see how they could produce positive relative corsi stats, even on a Pres. trophy team like Vancouver - and as I mentioned, the Canucks reserve the heavy def zone lifting for Malhotra, Lapierre - which helps the top two lines build positive rel corsi stats. The Sedins also have some outstanding numbers - partly because they are outstanding players, partly because Malhotra, Lapierre, Hansen, etc help enable them.

Regarding the Leafs - you whiffed entirely. There is no such thing as assembling a team of relative corsi stars - it is relative (to their team-mates) King. That one could use some rethinking. Makes you wonder how their stars wound up on the negative side...(ahem, Phaneuf and Kessel) ahem, they aren't particularly strong two way players ... :bigblush:

Your questions are unnecessary - you actually are fully capable of processing the obvious here - perhaps the facts reveal something other than your assumptions and opinions about certain players?

BTW - Stamkos is simply not a negative relative corsi player - look at the facts - Stamkos 2010/11 - surprisingly only 49.8% offensive zone starts, positive rel. corsi +0.8 - 2011/12, 54.7% off zone starts, +7.8 rel corsi.

Edited by oldnews, 19 November 2012 - 11:47 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

In before the argument that Phaneuf can't play on the right side... Sigh...

Zoolander couldn't turn left. When he did, he saved the world and Vietnamese underwear sweatshops.

Where there's a will there's a way!

A Vancouver defense with Phaneuf is a better team then a Vancouver defense without Phaneuf.


Interesting analogy you choose - Phaneuf and Zoolander. :)

Is that meant to make your proposal to acquire Phaneuf more convincing?

BTW - Zoolander also opened a school -

"The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too".

I may not be the brightest guy on the webs, but I ain't enrollin' in that school as a solooshun.

Besides, the Nucks already have Bieksa, Garrison - university edumacated blueliners.

Edited by oldnews, 19 November 2012 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

You really should check out some advanced stats, and try to understand them, cause the corsi and QOC corsi are a much better indicator than +/-.
BTW, does anyone know a good site for advanced stats? The one I found the other day was pretty cumbersome.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/ is one I use a lot. There are others of course (like http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/), but as you say they can be cumbersome.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:56 PM

Regarding the Leafs - you whiffed entirely. There is no such thing as assembling a team of relative corsi stars - it is relative (to their team-mates) King. That one could use some rethinking. Makes you wonder how their stars wound up on the negative side...(ahem, Phaneuf and Kessel) ahem, they aren't particularly strong two way players ... :bigblush:


If that's the case, then I guess Daniel, Henrik, Edler, etc., aren't particularly strong two-way players, either, since Vancouver also had 2 of the top 5 in the league?

:bigblush:

Edited by King of the ES, 19 November 2012 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

If that's the case, then I guess Daniel, Henrik, Edler, etc., aren't particularly strong two-way players, either, since Vancouver also had 2 of the top 5 in the league?

:bigblush:


Daniel, Henrik, and Edler are weak two way players. All 3 concentrate soley on offence and try to cheat to play D. Edler just plain sucks at it while Hank and Dank would rather have the puck or else hook or slash if forced to play defence.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

Interesting analogy you choose - Phaneuf and Zoolander. :)

Is that meant to make your proposal to acquire Phaneuf more convincing?

BTW - Zoolander also opened a school -

"The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too".

I may not be the brightest guy on the webs, but I ain't enrollin' in that school as a solooshun.

Besides, the Nucks already have Bieksa, Garrison - university edumacated blueliners.


lol! True eh?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

If that's the case, then I guess Daniel, Henrik, Edler, etc., aren't particularly strong two-way players, either, since Vancouver also had 2 of the top 5 in the league?

:bigblush:



I guess you missed the part where Kesler and Raymond were top 5 two years ago, whereas Daniel and Henrik were 1 and 4 last year...

But no, the Sedins are not expected to be two-way players - they are actually improving their play in their own end, but they are pretty much offensive zone start type players - the best puck possession guys in the NHL. Newsflash.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

I guess you missed the part where Kesler and Raymond were top 5 two years ago, whereas Daniel and Henrik were 1 and 4 last year...


And the stat's reliability continues to strengthen...
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

Your mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

Your mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

Posted Yesterday, 04:12 PM


Posted ImageWiDeN, on 18 November 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

You are 100% correct if you disregard advanced stats because of an unexplained ignorant dismissal.

Otherwise, you're wrong.


Exactly, because they go against your "Opinion" you choose to ignore them.Sounds familiar, I pointed this out to you before.




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Posted ImageKing of the ES, on 15 November 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

D-Mo is making point after point about Lecavalier's decline, and the fact that it'll likely get worse.

That being the case, it is reasonable for me to counter with the notion that it is likely Luongo will also get worse - like he has been since 2007, what appears to have been his peak. You bring up Martin Brodeur as an example - playoffs notwithstanding, his year was not good. Nor was last year.Wait a second!



Wait a second!






Interesting that you've just chosen to completely ignore Paajarvi's rookie year. :rolleyes:



You can Ignore Brodeur's playoff performance, but we must NEVER forget Paajarvi's rookie season?

Dafuq



You always seem to skip past this King... Could you address it?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

You always seem to skip past this King... Could you address it?

Keep holding your breath. He only sees what he wants to and responds with info that he likes.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

True, however he's only had 2 games since 2011 and he wasn't exactly remarkable. He wasn't in meltdown territory but definitely not as good as Cory was.
It's hard to say if Luongo's bad days are behind him, I'm inclined to think they aren't. When we lost in 2009 I could swear such a thing would never happen again the way it did (I was still a big Luongo fan). Then it happened again in 2010 and I thought the high of winning the Olympics and the extra games may have affected him (still a fan). Then again in 2011 against Chicago I was like "what the hell", no Byfuglien, no Versteeg, no Ladd, no Eager, no really good supporting cast and we still very nearly blew a 3-0 series lead to an 8th seed. Then of course there was Boston and after the first two games especially, I really thought he had conquered his demons, then as we all know things went rather sideways after that (disgruntled, not a big fan). I am aware that we scored very few goals and it's not Luongo's job to do that, but there is no really good excuse as to why he gave up so many. Those kind of scores were uncommon in the Finals in the 80s.
Then there was last year, we didn't score enough, Luongo was fairly ordinary for playoff games, and Cory took his job and gave the team a good chance to win (big Schneider fan, Luongo not so much, too many disappointments).


Well by the sounds of it, you still think Lu is a decent goalie. By what I've gathered from your other posts, you've made him out to be a terrible goalie. Why the sudden change?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

Keep holding your breath. He only sees what he wants to and responds with info that he likes.

Seems like it... it's a shame, I would have liked to hear his argument.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:58 PM

Keep holding your breath. He only sees what he wants to and responds with info that he likes.


This is one of the most undeniably correct posts i've seen in awhile.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:10 AM

And the stat's reliability continues to strengthen...


Yeah, I know. Silly stat. Totally, unreliably evidencing that players like Art Ross, Hart and Selke winners might be among the best in the NHL at producing more scoring chances than their opponents...
What will these stats geeks think of next?

BTW -the Sedins were also +13.3 and +11 in 2010/11.
And Kesler's rel corsi stat dropped off to 'only' +11.2 last year - his offensive zone starts dipped below 50% - having a third line center who wasn't much of a player in his own end of the ice, who needed to be sheltered, who ironically thought he deserved and earned Kesler's minutes, was just another factor taxing Kesler's game last year, in addition to a new (also injured) linemate, another linemate recovering from a broken back, in addition to the physical wear and tear (excuses excuses) .
Good move to move that disgruntled, over-rated rookie third line center and bring in a legitimate shut down guy. Oh, they didn't win the Cup - that, like all of Gillis' moves, must have been a fail...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

It is interesting how a man will chose emotion over reason, even when faced with imminent destruction.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:37 AM

It is interesting how a man will chose emotion over reason, even when faced with imminent destruction.


Hansel: So I'm rappelling down Mount Vesuvius when suddenly I slip, and I start to fall. Just falling, ahh ahh, I'll never forget the terror. When suddenly I realize "Holy crap, Hansel, haven't you been smoking Peyote for six straight days, and couldn't some of this maybe be in your head?"
Derek Zoolander: And?
Hansel: And it was. I was totally fine. I've never even been to Mount Vesuvius.
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