While Schneider was drafted lower than Rielly, he has proven himself at least a little at the NHL level so that helps his value. Perhaps you could argue it would be a deal that's reasonable on paper, but there's no way it's realistic for anyone other than a desperate team to give up that much for a goalie that has yet to be a starter over a significant stretch of games. The Leafs, and most other teams, would not go for that.
I've talked in the past about the potential with New Jersey for a Schneider deal, which has of course been mitigated by both Brodeur and Hedberg signing 2 year extensions. No one would have suggested Adam Larsson straight up for Schneider realistically, although we've seen Larsson's stock come down ever so slightly after being sat in New Jersey and a back injury and Schneider's stock rise a little with a couple of very good starts against LA in the playoffs. Would Toronto trade Rielly and Biggs to New Jersey for Larsson? Maybe, but would New Jersey trade Larsson to us for Schneider straight up? Not likely, even if Brodeur and Hedberg weren't re-signed.
That's not to say I don't agree Schneider would garner a greater return, but is the difference significant enough that it overcomes his potential value to us as our future starter and is the market of teams interested also significantly different enough that we'd be able to get an increased return back versus what we can do with Luongo. Interesting debate and a tough call.
I personally believe that the returns could be much greater for a Schneider trade than a Luongo trade due to the amount of teams that would be involved in negotiations. Schneider's contract is short, affordable and without any restrictions, thereby theoretically involving 29 of 30 teams, whereas Luogo's contract is heavy both in amount and in term, and has a no movement clause, as well as heavy restrictions as to when either party can ask for a waive of those clauses, thereby involving fewer than five teams.
These teams are rumored to be Florida, Toronto and Chicago so far and will not outbid each other with great value as Florida is a rebuilding team, Toronto is even less rich in talent and have bargained their futures for quick fixes, while Chicago would be reluctant to give such talents as Sharp or Kane. Bolland in a Vancouver Canucks is a near impossibility. If one thinks there is animosity between the team and Luongo, wait to see the animosity between the team and Bolland.
A Schneider trade opens numerous possibilities and at such junctures as the trade deadline, teams are known to outbid each other and pay a hefty price for wanted pieces, whereas I can hardly believe that there would be a bidding war for Luongo between Florida and Toronto. A trade between Chicago and Vancouver at the trade deadline would be considered close to treason from whoever loses the trade. Since the Bowman family is involved in Chicago, my guess is the Canucks would be on the losing end.
elvis15, I am glad we can have a rational discussion involving such matters. It is hard to find some objective counterpart to discuss with on this board. And I agree, it is a very tough call.
Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 04 December 2012 - 02:21 PM.