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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

I don't disagree that Kadri has more overall offensive skill than any of our current prospects (Kassian and Jensen have points in their favour, and Rodin is maybe our most exciting prospect from a pure offensive standpoint now), but will it pan out to the degree we'd want at an NHL level, and is he worth enough otherwise to warrant making him a significant piece in the return for Luongo? That's debatable when considering the extras and his progression so far.


Have you paid attention at all to the CBA talks this week? Owners are petrified of the long-term contract, which confirms my earlier belief that we're probably not going to be getting much back for Luongo. If we could get Bozak and Kadri, that'd be an insane win for the Canucks. Talks these past few days reinforce my initial skepticism about this entire transaction.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

Only you would take Raymond over Booth lol.


Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc.

Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

He'd be leaving many millions of dollars on the table by doing that. Don't count on it.


Ah King, I thought I shut you up on this point a long time ago but I guess not.

Why don't you go back and re-read the posts I made then niether me or WHL will have to waste time re-explaining it to you.

Good proposal, but I think it's a bad idea to be trading Raymond. TBH, I'd prefer it being Booth.


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Only you would take Raymond over Booth lol.


Oh.. I know eh.. What a guy. :lol:

Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc.

Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond.


Booth is slightly slower, still way above average speed, way bigger, way tougher, way stronger, produces more, is a better fit in our line-up, and overall a better player. (Raymond's isn't a better fit in this market BTW, everyone hates him, and he has crumbled under the pressure) and also.. I enjoy his tweet's, he is very candid in most things he says and they are mostly about little things regular people encounter during there day and I often get a chukcle out of it, it's just over sensitive people overreact whenever something comes up about his hunting trips.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc.

Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond.

How is Booth a 1 year wonder when he's scored 20+ goals twice and 30+ goals once? I'll break both players down

Booth:

- Has the size we lack
- Drives to the net
- Ok skater
- Top six forward capable of 20-30 goals and 50-60 points a year

Raymond:

- Tremendous speed but can't stay on his feet
- Only hit 20+ goals once
- Good defensively
- 2nd/3rd line tweener
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

Booth provides other intangables that the Canucks need, other than solid secondary production:







..And scores nice goals that Id bet we'll see many more of...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gur7OJCeKc4


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

So does Raymond...


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:19 PM

Last two cup winners have had big teams, that's the trend in the NHL.
Booth is bigger than Raymond and can stay on his skates.
He is a powerful skater, who can play the grinding game down low.

Raymond, Lombardi, Cogliano. All of these smaller speed guys come into the NHL hot and then cool down and become complimentary players/pk specialists.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc.

Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond.


Raymond is not the solution. I see him as a top 6 plug, he doesn't bring anything new or exciting to our lines where as booth can be built around. and you mentioned less "broken"? I think there was sufficient proof last year when a speedy fringe player gets his back broken, he is definitely not going to drive the net, which this team needed badly. Booth has the offense we want to run, raymond is what we are trying to get away from. Give us a player who can put the puck on kes and booth's tape consistantly and i bet even you would be saying, "mason who?".
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:52 PM

I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal:
(sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...)

Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross.
Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there.
Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal:
(sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...)

Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross.
Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there.
Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit.

Hmmm. That's actually not too bad. If I were MG I'd definetly think long and hard about that one if Feaster offered that.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal:
(sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...)

Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross.
Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there.
Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit.


I'm a big Glencross fan too but I wouldn't do it.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

"Positive", no, but these guys are hockey players, they're not bodybuilders. Kadri's probably trying to put on weight - which is a strategy. What do you think Brett Hull looked like without a shirt on? Not comparing them, but come on. A little bodyfat ain't going to hinder performance.



Somebody else brought up the fact that he's got 19 points in 51 NHL games. Not bad. And what you're saying is really no different to what a lot of people - myself included - were saying about Cody Hodgson in the summer of 2011. There were very, very serious concerns about his worth as a prospect. Hodgson had seriously underwhelmed in the AHL, and did not even have a particularly good training camp. But then when the games were on, he was very, very productive, and stayed that way until he was traded.

Kadri being in the AHL could well be strategic on the part of Burke/Nonis. Takes pressure off of him, doesn't burn entry-level years, etc.


LOL!!!!

1. FAT = FAT BRO....wake up...as I said you tried to spin a "GM calling a player" fat into a positive. He was called OUT OF SHAPE by his GM!!!! This wasn't a compliment!! It speaks to a 3rd year pro to which there are strong expectations that he is not showing the committment he needs to, and in the press no less...publicly not privately, in the press!!!! wow just go on with your delusions.

2. He's no Brett Hull

3. There is nothing strategic about not having a center, drafting one, and leaving him in the minors because he can't crack a crappy team.

Good for you, make up all the silly excuses for your man crush on a fringe, crap hockey player. Wherever Kadri ends up sure hope its not here, and see what his stats are in 4 yrs and then you can tell me I told you so.

Wow....just wow

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

#1: Not true. Cody Hodgson is a very recent example of a guy who has neither. And he didn't even put up good numbers in the AHL.

#2: This is always a concern, but I don't think showing up to camp with a higher level of bodyfat means that this is the case. Maybe he's trying to put on weight. Bodyfat is often a result of trying to bulk up - not easy at all to gain "pure" muscle. Arniel had made some comments recently about Kassian that suggest that his commitment level might be questionable, too. I think what it often is with young "high-end" types they're so used to being dominant, without much effort, that that is no more when they hit the AHL.

#3 & #4, I haven't really seen enough of him to comment.


Do you know who Brian Burke is? Do you think him calling a player fat is a compliment? Do you think a player drafted 6th overall, as an offensive center, by a team that has not made the playoffs in ten years, and has no offensive center, yet cannot make that team is just having some tough luck?

lol...I knew weed was legal in Oregon and another state, when did it become legal in BC? Cause you've got to slow down...

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:37 AM

I didn't claim that he was the type of player going around crushing guys. All I did was point out the statmakers gave him over a hit-per-game last year. That is more than most of our Vancouver forwards. Pretty much double (per game) than Raymond.

If Leafs fans are in fact booing a 21 year-old kid just trying to figure out the NHL, then it is proof that they are complete morons. It is also proof that Kadri is carrying the weight of unfair expectations.


Maybe then understand hockey mr I hate toronto..use your brain, they aren't morons buddy. You can hate leafs fans all you want, they know hockey and are better supporters of their team than nucks fans because they support them win or lose...something our fickle whiny nucks fans don't do.

Stick to facts but you cant.. so ya Kadri isn't in the nhl because:

1. Leafs fans are mean
2. too much pressure
3. he's not fat he's just putting on weight
4. he's really good just not being rushed by a team desperate for an offensive center for three years, hasn't made the playoffs

but ya...those are your and others arguments, no logic just some silly view based on the Hockey News Draft guide and his draft position vs reality and the facts of his pro career thus far.

he's a scrub.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:41 AM

LOL!!!!

1. FAT = FAT BRO....wake up...as I said you tried to spin your GM calling you fat into positive. He was called OUT OF SHAPE by his GM!!!! This wasn't a compliment!! It speaks to a 3rd pro to which there are strong expectations that he is not showing the committment he needs to, and in the press no less...publicly not privately, in the press!!!! wow just go on with your delusions.

2. He's no Brett Hull

3. There is nothing strategic about not having a center, drafting one, and leaving him in the minors because he can't crack a crappy team.

Good for your make up all the silly excuses for your man crush on a fringe, crap hockey player. Wherever Kadri ends up sure hope its not here, and see what his stats are in 4 yrs and then you can tell me I told you so.

Wow....just wow


He wasn't fat. He had some fat on him like any human but he wasn't fat.

And they didn't have him in the line-up is because they are stupid. He was playing fine, he was a + and they sent him down when they have guys go 20 games without a goal and are big minus's.

He has been mistreated and a fresh start would be great, we could use a foward with his playmaking skillset, and he would instatnly bolster our prospect pool immensely.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

I am actually amazed at some of the posts on here regarding Kadri, obviously from people that have never seen him play live.

Although I don't like the rumoured return for Luongo, because I don't think it addresses the correct needs, Kadri would immediately become the Canucks best offensive prospect. Schroeder is becoming a decent prospect in his own right but he has nowhere near the offensive talent of Kadri.


LOL I LIVE IN TORONTO AND HAVE SEEN HIM PLAY OVER 40 GAMES AHL AND NHL.

HE IS A SCRUB

GO BACK TO YOUR KEEPER POOL AND YOUR INTERNET RESEARCH FOR YOUR VIEWS ON PROSPECTS.

You're saying he's better than Jensen? than Kassian? wow

Mark my words, Kadri will never score more than 35 pts in the NHL and thats if he even sticks which based on what I have seen over the 40 plus games is such a low probability its almost laughable.

Bust, spare parts and a get him off our books and out our system, see if you can do anything with him trade for Burke.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:53 AM

He wasn't fat. He had some fat on him like any human but he wasn't fat.

And they didn't have him in the line-up is because they are stupid. He was playing fine, he was a + and they sent him down when they have guys go 20 games without a goal and are big minus's.

He has been mistreated and a fresh start would be great, we could use a foward with his playmaking skillset, and he would instatnly bolster our prospect pool immensely.


Ok I'll take your word over Eakins' and Burke's lol. Some quotes from articles

"Eakins ripped into Kadri saying, “His body fat today is probably in the bottom three to five guys in our whole camp and that’s unacceptable. That’s the easiest part of coming into camp is eating correctly and training correctly. There’s just no coming off if you’re an athlete, it’s no different than the normal person. You make your choice. You can either go sit on the couch, put your feet up and have a bag of potato chips or you can go on the couch and put your feet up and grab some carrots and some apples.”

"In 2010-11 Kadri started with the Marlies. The Leafs meanwhile had a good start before falling on tough times and having a terrible month of November. Kadri was producing at near a PPG pace playing for the Marlies in the AHL, while the Leaf team was desperate for offence. The debate for calling up Kadri raged in the Toronto media. Then head coach Ron Wilson ripped Kadri publically, basically saying that he couldn’t play a responsible game in the neutral zone and that the Leafs weren’t going to call him up despite the points. It was the first of many public criticisms of Kadri’s game that would come from Wilson, GM Brian Burke, and now Marlies coach Dallas Eakins."

"From day one however, questions were raised regarding the ex-London Knights’ mental game, curious whether or not it was suitable for the professional level. It seemed a risk Toronto was willing to take."
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

He wasn't fat. He had some fat on him like any human but he wasn't fat.

And they didn't have him in the line-up is because they are stupid. He was playing fine, he was a + and they sent him down when they have guys go 20 games without a goal and are big minus's.

He has been mistreated and a fresh start would be great, we could use a foward with his playmaking skillset, and he would instatnly bolster our prospect pool immensely.


He's a 'tweener' you just don't get it...
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:56 AM

So does Raymond...

https://www.youtube....h?v=LCe85jLBfXk

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:08 AM

He's a 'tweener' you just don't get it...


And any of our other prospects aren't?

You don't get it, he's probably futher along than Kassian is.

Him coming here would make him our top 3 prospects for sure, look at our prospect pool then look at him, he is father than all of them.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:17 AM

Ok I'll take your word over Eakins' and Burke's lol. Some quotes from articles

"Eakins ripped into Kadri saying, “His body fat today is probably in the bottom three to five guys in our whole camp and that’s unacceptable. That’s the easiest part of coming into camp is eating correctly and training correctly. There’s just no coming off if you’re an athlete, it’s no different than the normal person. You make your choice. You can either go sit on the couch, put your feet up and have a bag of potato chips or you can go on the couch and put your feet up and grab some carrots and some apples.”


I never said he didn't have fat on him, I said he isn't fat.

Does Eakin's call him fat? No, they are athlete's he said he wasn't good compared to the rest, but he was still in far better shape than the average person.

"In 2010-11 Kadri started with the Marlies. The Leafs meanwhile had a good start before falling on tough times and having a terrible month of November. Kadri was producing at near a PPG pace playing for the Marlies in the AHL, while the Leaf team was desperate for offence. The debate for calling up Kadri raged in the Toronto media. Then head coach Ron Wilson ripped Kadri publically, basically saying that he couldn’t play a responsible game in the neutral zone and that the Leafs weren’t going to call him up despite the points. It was the first of many public criticisms of Kadri’s game that would come from Wilson, GM Brian Burke, and now Marlies coach Dallas Eakins."


You know what's really funny about that. He was a + when they sent him down.

They have players on that team, that go 20 games without a goal, are huge minus's, but you know why nothing happen's to them? Contracts and politics.

It's unreal how they have treated him, a PPG in the AHL, imagine if he was here, Gillis would give him ample opportunities, he tried everything he could to get Coho up here as much as he could (in 10/11) when he wasn't doing nearly aswell as Kadri, think of Kadri if he was here, since you watch him play apparently.

Think about his amazing skillset, think about that getting time with good players, put him with 2 players who are more defensively responsible than him (Higgins and Hansen for ex) he would be fine and he would help both out offensively.

"From day one however, questions were raised regarding the ex-London Knights’ mental game, curious whether or not it was suitable for the professional level. It seemed a risk Toronto was willing to take."


You know, another thing not to bring up Coho again in a bad way, but I am going too.

Coho was treated poorly by our organization at times I think everyone can agree, and you know what he did eventually he quit, he asked for a trade. He gave up here. The kid with all this character and this leadership and all this stuff quit on a team that yes he got off to a rocky start with but was good to him later on. He quit okay, Mrs.Character quit.

Look at Kadri, he has been through way worse treatment than Coho has, has Kadri quit? No he hasn't you say he has a bad attitude, BS. If he did he would have quit by now don't you think? Think about that.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:17 AM

And any of our other prospects aren't?

You don't get it, he's probably futher along than Kassian is.

Him coming here would make him our top 3 prospects for sure, look at our prospect pool then look at him, he is father than all of them.


Nazem, is that you? lol

Further along? hhhahahahaa

Ok ignore the quotes from the guy that drafted him and the two guys that coached him. I trust you more than them since you are a more knowledgable person on evaluating hockey talent than them (Burke, Eakings, Wilson) and even myself who's seen him play 40 plus games


ya you're right good on ya..lmo

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:27 AM

I never said he didn't have fat on him, I said he isn't fat.

Does Eakin's call him fat? No, they are athlete's he said he wasn't good compared to the rest, but he was still in far better shape than the average person.



You know what's really funny about that. He was a + when they sent him down.

They have players on that team, that go 20 games without a goal, are huge minus's, but you know why nothing happen's to them? Contracts and politics.

It's unreal how they have treated him, a PPG in the AHL, imagine if he was here, Gillis would give him ample opportunities, he tried everything he could to get Coho up here as much as he could (in 10/11) when he wasn't doing nearly aswell as Kadri, think of Kadri if he was here, since you watch him play apparently.

Think about his amazing skillset, think about that getting time with good players, put him with 2 players who are more defensively responsible than him (Higgins and Hansen for ex) he would be fine and he would help both out offensively.



You know, another thing not to bring up Coho again in a bad way, but I am going too.

Coho was treated poorly by our organization at times I think everyone can agree, and you know what he did eventually he quit, he asked for a trade. He gave up here. The kid with all this character and this leadership and all this stuff quit on a team that yes he got off to a rocky start with but was good to him later on. He quit okay, Mrs.Character quit.

Look at Kadri, he has been through way worse treatment than Coho has, has Kadri quit? No he hasn't you say he has a bad attitude, BS. If he did he would have quit by now don't you think? Think about that.



1. Dude, do you know how to read? Seriously man, your coach says in relation to your fitness when you are considered the 'top' prosepect and a 3rd year pro the team is depending on....that your body fat is...

" unacceptable. That’s the easiest part of coming into camp is eating correctly and training correctly. There’s just no coming off if you’re an athlete, it’s no different than the normal person. You make your choice. You can either go sit on the couch, put your feet up and have a bag of potato chips or you can go on the couch and put your feet up and grab some carrots and some apples.”

and you don't think he's calling you fat? Buddy he ain't playing against you or me..he's playing against pro athletes, whether he is in ok shape compared to the average 23 year old has no bearing, get your head out of your a ss..


2. I am aware of his point totals in the AHL and again reading comprehension. It will not translate into effectiveness at the NHL level for many of the reasons I have stated prior. Tweener, not fast, not big, clearly not committed, plays on the fringes, you have to do at least one thing exceptionally to make the jump, he does alot ok..I have seen his play in both leagues. As have Burke, Wilson and Eakins again read the quotes. PS and those quotes are not nice..so we should give them Lou for that? Perspective needed maybe buddy? Your own coaching and mgmt team say you suck so we should say you don't and give them alot for yo? LOL so if I tell you the stock of a company I own is crap and its trading at 5 bucks will you pay me ten for it?

3. Yes we all want another CoHo a guy who 'quit' as you stated. Great amount of character there...

You must be 18 years, old mommy and daddy give you everything and you don't understand what earning your keep is. Because you are making sob sorry excuses for a guy that's failing and think he's just had it rough. How bout he's not good enough and doesn't have the drive or the character to fight through...

WOW just Wow.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:29 AM

Nazem, is that you? lol

Further along? hhhahahahaa

Ok ignore the quotes from the guy that drafted him and the two guys that coached him. I trust you more than them since you are a more knowledgable person on evaluating hockey talent than them (Burke, Eakings, Wilson) and even myself who's seen him play 40 plus games


ya you're right good on ya..lmo


Okay so you didn't even reply to anything I said here, you just tried to insult me without making a point, good effort.

You don't think he is further along, here's I'll prove it to ya:

Nazem Kadri: 51 Games, 19 Points. Played mostly in the top 9.

Nicklas Jensen: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't played

Brendan Gaunce: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't Played

Billy Sweat (Who was drafted 2 years before him): 2 Games, 0 Points. Played 2 Games on the 4th line.


(Now for the players who were drafted in the same year as him)

Jordan Schroeder: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't Played.

Anton Rodin: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't played.

Zack Kassian: 44 Games, 10 Points. Has been a bottom 6 player pretty much all the games he played, or a good majority.



So now I ask you. Which one of those players have accomplished more?


Edit: Wowowww just Wowwowow

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:35 AM

Okay so you didn't even reply to anything I said here, you just tried to insult me without making a point, good effort.

You don't think he is further along, here's I'll prove it to ya:

Nazem Kadri: 51 Games, 19 Points. Played mostly in the top 9.

Nicklas Jensen: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't played

Brendan Gaunce: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't Played

Billy Sweat (Who was drafted 2 years before him): 2 Games, 0 Points. Played 2 Games on the 4th line.


(Now for the players who were drafted in the same year as him)

Jordan Schroeder: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't Played.

Anton Rodin: 0 Games, 0 Points. Hasn't played.

Zack Kassian: 44 Games, 10 Points. Has been a bottom 6 player pretty much all the games he played, or a good majority.



So now I ask you. Which one of those players have accomplished more?


Edit: Wowowww just Wowwowow


If you think the way to judge a player's ability is purely on how many points he's scored well then I direct you to hockeydb and to look at draft class after draft class and look at the first round and see how many busts put up numbers in the ohl and ahl.

Moreover.

If you need to use your simpleton silly logic.

Kassian 21 yrs old.

44 games 10 pts on the bottom 6 and really bottom 3 and two teams so adjustments needed to be made.
Was told to lose weight, came to camp 15 lbs lighter, faster, stronger committed

Kadri
51 games 19 pts played with Kessel, Lupul, and top 6 regularly including power play time, 22 yrs old and has had the opportunity in camp to win a top 6 role all three years with the leafs organization and yet has only played 10 more games in the NHL than Kassian who by the time he is 22 will have full 82 more under his belt, or close. Kadri came to his third and very important camp out of shape. Committed? Drive? Desire?

wow...good on ya kid, you seriously have no idea what it takes to compete in this world

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:54 AM

1. Dude, do you know how to read? Seriously man, your coach says in relation to your fitness when you are considered the 'top' prosepect and a 3rd year pro the team is depending on....that your body fat is...

" unacceptable. That’s the easiest part of coming into camp is eating correctly and training correctly. There’s just no coming off if you’re an athlete, it’s no different than the normal person. You make your choice. You can either go sit on the couch, put your feet up and have a bag of potato chips or you can go on the couch and put your feet up and grab some carrots and some apples.”

and you don't think he's calling you fat? Buddy he ain't playing against you or me..he's playing against pro athletes, whether he is in ok shape compared to the average 23 year old has no bearing, get your head out of your a ss..


Zack Kassian wasn't in "as good of shape" last year either, MG said there were significant differences this year to last. Is he going to be a bust too since u think he is so much better.

Give me a break dude. and even if that was true, and he isn't in shape. Right now he is averaging basicly PPG, and is +5. (18 in 20) "And he isn't good" Give me a break, this just shows by the time he get's in shape (which he probably is close to already, if not in shape already) he will only get better.

2. I am aware of his point totals in the AHL and again reading comprehension. It will not translate into effectiveness at the NHL level for many of the reasons I have stated prior. Tweener, not fast, not big, clearly not committed, plays on the fringes, you have to do at least one thing exceptionally to make the jump, he does alot ok..I have seen his play in both leagues. As have Burke, Wilson and Eakins again read the quotes. PS and those quotes are not nice..so we should give them Lou for that? Perspective needed maybe buddy? Your own coaching and mgmt team say you suck so we should say you don't and give them alot for yo? LOL so if I tell you the stock of a company I own is crap and its trading at 5 bucks will you pay me ten for it?


What you fail to realize is: there will be other things in the deal aswell. Shocking right? He's average size, does that make a difference there are ton's of small player, Cody "Godson" is smaller than he is, we feel inlove with him pretty easliy, size means little aslong as u have the skill or other atributes to compenstate for it.

Size doesn't seem to be an issue for him:





He's not fast or versatile?

A fast, creative, versatile forward, Kadri is an offensive spark-plug. He displays very good vision on the ice as well and this bodes well for his puck possession style of play. He has a high compete level and is a good forechecker. He might even be better suited to playing the wing in the Big Leagues.


Hmmm you know what is weird about that last part, I think we are in need of a playmaking winger, someone with offensive skillset of Kadri to help complement Booth and Kesler.. Hmm Kadri is young and can play wing... Hmmmmm... Is it hard for you to put 2 + 2 together? That maybe he is a young player that could get a much better shot here? I guess not.

And watch these: He has no issue going to middle of the ice, and even when he is on the perimeter he can make things happen, he's a playmaker, it's not neccisarly a bad thing that he plays the perimeter At times.




Seems to be in the middle there


Doesn't seem to have an issue size wise there, his skating seems to be good there.

Give me a break, atleast back yourself up a bit next time you reply.


3. Yes we all want another CoHo a guy who 'quit' as you stated. Great amount of character there...

You must be 18 years, old mommy and daddy give you everything and you don't understand what earning your keep is. Because you are making sob sorry excuses for a guy that's failing and think he's just had it rough. How bout he's not good enough and doesn't have the drive or the character to fight through...

WOW just Wow.


Kadri isn't another Coho guy, he hasn't quit and he has gone through far worse, you seem to have missed the point, maybe next time throw on a pair of glasses and read it a little slower.

As I said next time you reply u should try backing your stuff for once. or atleast getting your head of your ass would be a start, it seems to be giving you tunnel vision, I can tell by your narrowed headed arguments.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:59 AM

Zack Kassian wasn't in "as good of shape" last year either, MG said there were significant differences this year to last. Is he going to be a bust too since u think he is so much better.


Give me a break, atleast back yourself up a bit next time you reply.




Kadri isn't another Coho guy, he hasn't quit and he has gone through far worse, you seem to have missed the point, maybe next time throw on a pair of glasses and read it a little slower.

As I said next time you reply u should try backing your stuff for once. or atleast getting your head of your ass would be a start, it seems to be giving you tunnel vision, I can tell by your narrowed headed arguments.


wow can i cherry pick some other youtube gaffs of his? lol

ok lets agree then you are a better hockey person than Brian Burke, Ron Wilson, and Dallas Eakins. You are more knowledgeable on evaluating hockey talent than they are and they are wrong in that Kadri is a terrific 1/2 line center capable of being a strong NHLer

you're right and more knowledgable about hockey than they are. ps he played alot with Kessell who is more pure sniper than Kesler or Booth will ever be, and did jack.

you cherry pick a few highlights and think he's the next steve y, yet you still fail to answer a very SIMPLE question and address some BASIC FACTS

1. If he is so good, why has he failed to make the leafs in 3 years when they have been desperate for an offensive center.

2. Why has he failed to make a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 8 years and see number one again.

3. Why do his gm both his coaches critisize him?

4. Why in 3 years has he not made the jump from AHL to NHL bottom feeder? Because he's good?????? There is a GAPING HOLE IN THE LEAFS ROSTER AT CENTER AND HE CAN'T MAKE IT?????

5. Playing on the perimeter is ok???? Well you must love May Ray then. That comment in and of itself shows me you know zero about playing hockey, other than your monday night duffers F division match.

6. Next time pull a quote from after he was drafted vs. as a junior kid.


now go send nazem a box of chocolates and valentines card for your boy crush.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:03 AM

Zack Kassian wasn't in "as good of shape" last year either, MG said there were significant differences this year to last. Is he going to be a bust too since u think he is so much better.

Give me a break dude. and even if that was true, and he isn't in shape. Right now he is averaging basicly PPG, and is +5. (18 in 20) "And he isn't good" Give me a break, this just shows by the time he get's in shape (which he probably is close to already, if not in shape already) he will only get better.



What you fail to realize is: there will be other things in the deal aswell. Shocking right? He's average size, does that make a difference there are ton's of small player, Cody "Godson" is smaller than he is, we feel inlove with him pretty easliy, size means little aslong as u have the skill or other atributes to compenstate for it.

Size doesn't seem to be an issue for him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG9c54h61_Q



He's not fast or versatile?


Hmmm you know what is weird about that last part, I think we are in need of a playmaking winger, someone with offensive skillset of Kadri to help complement Booth and Kesler.. Hmm Kadri is young and can play wing... Hmmmmm... Is it hard for you to put 2 + 2 together? That maybe he is a young player that could get a much better shot here? I guess not.

And watch these: He has no issue going to middle of the ice, and even when he is on the perimeter he can make things happen, he's a playmaker, it's not neccisarly a bad thing that he plays the perimeter At times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0meJ4mptOg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIe5H4L2Q5k
Seems to be in the middle there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=aag88dlileQ
Doesn't seem to have an issue size wise there, his skating seems to be good there.

Give me a break, atleast back yourself up a bit next time you reply.




Kadri isn't another Coho guy, he hasn't quit and he has gone through far worse, you seem to have missed the point, maybe next time throw on a pair of glasses and read it a little slower.

As I said next time you reply u should try backing your stuff for once. or atleast getting your head of your ass would be a start, it seems to be giving you tunnel vision, I can tell by your narrowed headed arguments.


oh now he hasn't quit? you said he quit earlier because people were meanies to him...boohoo meanies coaches, gm's all meanies so he quit...your quote buddy

give it a rest donkey you know nothing about hockey and its clear from your simplistic analysis of this kids (lack of ) talent.

tired of arguing with someone who is in love with a player and that's fine, but you should know reality from delusion kid.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:07 AM

If you think the way to judge a player's ability is purely on how many points he's scored well then I direct you to hockeydb and to look at draft class after draft class and look at the first round and see how many busts put up numbers in the ohl and ahl.

Moreover.

If you need to use your simpleton silly logic.

Kassian 21 yrs old.

44 games 10 pts on the bottom 6 and really bottom 3 and two teams so adjustments needed to be made.
Was told to lose weight, came to camp 15 lbs lighter, faster, stronger committed

Kadri
51 games 19 pts played with Kessel, Lupul, and top 6 regularly including power play time, 22 yrs old and has had the opportunity in camp to win a top 6 role all three years with the leafs organization and yet has only played 10 more games in the NHL than Kassian who by the time he is 22 will have full 82 more under his belt, or close. Kadri came to his third and very important camp out of shape. Committed? Drive? Desire?

wow...good on ya kid, you seriously have no idea what it takes to compete in this world


The points weren't even my main sticking point, I was more refering to the games, except with Kassian, then yes the points were the sticking point.

And really he was playing with Kessel and Lupul was he?

With two players going on injured reserve in as many days (Colby Armstrong with a concussion and broken toe, Philippe Dupuis with an undisclosed upper body issue), Kadri followed Darryl Boyce’s recall on Tuesday night from the Marlies.
Kadri was skating on a line with centre Tim Connolly and right winger Clarke MacArthur, in Armstrong’s old spot.


Doesn't sound like Kessel and Lupul, and as you can see the only reason they called him up is because of injuries, and because they had already called everyone else up that can play at that level.

Kadri and Hamilton were called up on an emergency basis from the American Hockey League's Toronto Marlies on Thursday after Frattin (lower body) and MacArthur (upper body) were listed as day to day.


They were called up on an emergency basis again due to injuries, really sounds that fair top 6 opportunity you keep talking about doesn't it.

The only reason they call him up is because of injuries, and they always call other players up first and wait till they have no one left else to call-up but Kadri, but you seem to think he is getting fair top 6 chances. Actually Ashton was the one getting looks there.

FIRST LINE IMPRESSIONS?
Carlyle isn't making any promises or guarantees.

Just because rookie Carter Ashton was practising on the first line with Tyler Bozak and Phil Kessel on Thursday, well, according to the Maple Leafs coach, that doesn't mean he'll play there against the Devils on Friday.

Then again, he might.


And guess what? Ashton came up, played 15 games, had 0 points and was -10.

He wasn't even doing aswell as Kadri was in the AHL that year in the first place, yet him getting those good chances over Kadri is fair according to you? That Makes a ton of sense....


It's obvious he has been treated unfairly, and you know what else is funny, the day they sent Kadri down last year, was the day there miraculous fall off the cliff into that non-playoff spot began, interesting eh?
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:14 AM

wow can i cherry pick some other youtube gaffs of his? lol

ok lets agree then you are a better hockey person than Brian Burke, Ron Wilson, and Dallas Eakins. You are more knowledgeable on evaluating hockey talent than they are and they are wrong in that Kadri is a terrific 1/2 line center capable of being a strong NHLer

you're right and more knowledgable about hockey than they are. ps he played alot with Kessell who is more pure sniper than Kesler or Booth will ever be, and did jack.

now go send nazem a box of chocolates and valentines card for your boy crush.


Maybe I don't know as much as them, but it is crystal clear there are issue's there, he has been mistreated and there is politics behind it.

There is politics behind everything, even the smartest people have to play along at times. And this time I think they have treated him wrong, and have played along with the politics.

And why don't you prove it too me that he played with them for a significant period of time (more than just the odd shift here and there, or a chance on the PP unit when things are going bad). Prove it if you know so much? I've backed up my stuff.

oh now he hasn't quit? you said he quit earlier because people were meanies to him...boohoo meanies coaches, gm's all meanies so he quit...your quote buddy

give it a rest donkey you know nothing about hockey and its clear from your simplistic analysis of this kids (lack of ) talent.

tired of arguing with someone who is in love with a player and that's fine, but you should know reality from delusion kid.


When did I say Nazem quit? I said Coho quit.

Clearly you need glasses, or maybe a brain. That would be even better.


You can insult me all you want but all this proves is you no jack about hockey, you just insult rather than make a point.

So really all you are doing is insulting your intelligence everytime you post. Cause right now you seem like a complete dumbass honestly.


And I'm not inlove with him, If I had to choose between him and Kassian I would take Kassian everytime, I'm just not blind, and I'm just realistic and fair, when I see something wrong or have a different view that the other is blind too (like you) I address it. It has nothing to do with "a man crush"
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