smurf47 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Niether, what MG thinks he is worth. Why? What do you think a star goalie like Roberto is worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I have no idea what hes worth, and as much as I think hes done great things in the past. ie great teammate, community involvement and hard worker, I know longer see him as elite ! Hes still upper middle but my experience sees too many flaws in his game now to be consistant on a day to day basis. Hes no longer " star" quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Schneider wouldn't be able to stop a fully healed Vancouver team from winning. 4-1 Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He might not be the best goalie in the league, maybe not top 5, but I do still see him as a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 and I believe you are entitled to your opinion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We can pay 8.8M for our goaltending tandem until the trade deadline or even the upcoming draft until we have a better return in a Luongo trade. Heck, by then if Lu is looking awesome we might just keep him and get a huge return for Schneider. Our hands aren't tied at all, because we have a playoff team without a Lu return. If the season is cancelled, then he might be a good trade piece at a complete lottery draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 They can continue to have faith in these goalies as much as they want, they have for like 7 years and what good has that done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 #1. The premise of the argument you have made is that we have to ditch him at all costs, regardless of the return we get. If there is no trade on the table which gets us a reasonable return now... how are we losing out by waiting? If as the Toronto folks think, he has negative value and we have to take one of their crappy contracts in return for them doing us the favour of releiving us of Luongo... then there is nowhere but up as far as return on the asset goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He might not be the best goalie in the league, maybe not top 5, but I do still see him as a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 7 years? Reimer's 24 years old and has played 71 career NHL games. Gustavsson didn't work out, nor did Giguere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 7 years? Reimer's 24 years old and has played 71 career NHL games. Gustavsson didn't work out, nor did Giguere. Could it be that maybe it's the team, not not the goalies, that are the problem? Are you friends with Cory and Roberto? Did they tell you that in confidence? You honestly think that they wouldn't be distracted by being hounded by the media after every practice and every game? Roberto would not be happy, as the backup, and Cory would not be happy, as he'd have Roberto Luongo hanging out over his shoulder. Use common sense. And if the deal makes us "worse" (hard to believe, given the relative unimportance of the backup goaltender), it'll just make us even more worse the longer that we wait. Yes, it is a fact. Roberto Luongo's contract expires in 2022. He "could", yes, but smart businesspeople need to analyze every possible outcome. If Luongo's contract with the Vancouver Canucks was negotiated in good faith, there's no reason to assume that he'll retire early. Even if he did retire early, though, the commitment might be until, what, 2020, instead of 2022? Still a major commitment that you're not considering from the other side's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The return will be even less "reasonable" with the longer that we wait. Still waiting for somebody to explain how a 34 year-old backup in 2013 will be more valuable than what Luongo is worth today. He did say that he didn't expect to be here: “Two months ago, after what had just happened and Schneids had just signed and I didn’t really see myself being here,” Luongo said in his first comments locally since the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Calling Lou a backup is asinine. Get with the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 7 years? Reimer's 24 years old and has played 71 career NHL games. Gustavsson didn't work out, nor did Giguere. Could it be that maybe it's the team, not not the goalies, that are the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 He will be Schneider's backup if he remains a Canuck. My guess is that he will be traded, even more likely with a drop in salary cap ! He might not be a backup on a lot of teams, but would be a backup on at least 6-8 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The return will be even less "reasonable" with the longer that we wait. Still waiting for somebody to explain how a 34 year-old backup in 2013 will be more valuable than what Luongo is worth today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Neither did Toskala, Raycroft, Gerber, Kidd, Pogge, Tellqvist or Aubin. In fact, the Leafs haven't had decent goaltending since they acquired VETERAN goaltending in Belfour and Joseph over a decade ago. Do you think Leafs nation is tired of goalies with so-called potential?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Calling Lou a backup is asinine. Get with the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You aren't trying to say Reimer is a viable option, when you think Schneider is an unproven rookie that should have been traded are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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