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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

I for one don't miss the game much. I have had much more time to study things that I have been putting off, some for years, even decades, watching millionaires chase a piece of rubber.

This lockout is the third I live through and I must admit it gives perspective on the matter; how ridiculous it actually is.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 12 December 2012 - 12:17 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

I for one don't miss the game much. I have had much more time to study things that I have been putting off, some for years, even decades, watching millionaires chase a piece of rubber.

This lockout is the third I love through and I must admit it gives perspective on the matter; how ridiculous it actually is.

No NHL but junior hockey is good.....and my golf games great too !!
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:40 AM

I forget what watching hockey even feels like.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:20 AM

I forget what watching hockey even feels like.


Here's something to tide you over.




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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:05 AM

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:31 AM

Luongo


Yeah.
This is supposed to be his trade thread is it not?
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

Yeah.
This is supposed to be his trade thread is it not?


The thread is at an all time low in flux and off topic attacks raining down upon us like the rain comes down on the greater vancouver area everyday.

Just thought i would try to juice things up a bit
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:18 PM

No NHL but junior hockey is good.....and my golf games great too !!


Philosophy, Stocks, personal development and most of all, filmmaking.

Years.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:33 PM

Philosophy, Stocks, personal development and most of all, filmmaking.

Years.


Philosphy and stocks? To each there own I guess...

More like follow the Wolves, NFL, get to the gym more, game of thrones/ breaking bad/ sons of anarchy/ walking dead
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:44 PM

Whatever does happen I am sure that Gillis will do the best he can for the makeup and chemistry of the team. Roberto has served us well, but his time here is done.

It is good to see that all parties involved have chosen the high road of respect and silence now.

Now if we could find a way to get Thing of the ES to disappear.....that would be great.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

Whatever does happen I am sure that Gillis will do the best he can for the makeup and chemistry of the team. Roberto has served us well, but his time here is done.

It is good to see that all parties involved have chosen the high road of respect and silence now.

Now if we could find a way to get Thing of the ES to disappear.....that would be great.


King of the ES? You must not have been following the last 6 pages or so :lol:
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

Whatever does happen I am sure that Gillis will do the best he can for the makeup and chemistry of the team. Roberto has served us well, but his time here is done.

It is good to see that all parties involved have chosen the high road of respect and silence now.

Now if we could find a way to get Thing of the ES to disappear.....that would be great.

In all fairness, this thread would be a lot shorter, and a lot less entertaining without KoES.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

In all fairness, this thread would be a lot shorter, and a lot less entertaining without KoES.


And he hasn't been as bad in the last little bit.

Lately BuretoMogilny has taken his spot on these boards over quite nicely.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

In all fairness, this thread would be a lot shorter, and a lot less entertaining without KoES.


I agree - but in addition, I have no problem at all with what King does here, which is simple argue about/discuss hockey. Don't agree for the most part, but big deal, he has his own opinions that differ from mine. Isn't that a large part of what these boards are for?
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

And he hasn't been as bad in the last little bit.

Lately BuretoMogilny has taken his spot on these boards over quite nicely.

Agreed.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:03 PM

I agree with a fair amount of what King has to say actually. If we all agreed about everything and were being complete homers all the time, well this wouldn't be much of a discussion.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

Question:

Has King of the ES responded to anything BureToMogilny has said? (Too many pages to go through), might it be that BureToMogilny IS King of the ES? I don't believe so, just asking...
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

Question:

Has King of the ES responded to anything BureToMogilny has said? (Too many pages to go through), might it be that BureToMogilny IS King of the ES? I don't believe so, just asking...

I think you're onto something.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:07 PM

Question:

Has King of the ES responded to anything BureToMogilny has said? (Too many pages to go through), might it be that BureToMogilny IS King of the ES? I don't believe so, just asking...

There was a point, I think it was this thread or the last version, where they were arguing against each other. I'd hoped that would derail them as both were prominent in the thread at the time but others couldn't keep from getting involved and it devolved again.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:04 PM

I just like this thread cause it's really active, and since there's nothing to talk about anyway I basically just shoot pucks in here.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

I just like this thread cause it's really active, and since there's nothing to talk about anyway I basically just shoot pucks in here.


Same.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:19 AM

Let's keep it active. A few questions

Who here thinks that Roberto Luongo will be able to win a Stanley Cup after he is traded from Vancouver?

Now considering the teams possibly in the mix for him, who would be improved dramatically enough to become a contender?

Luongo is an excellent goalie and would change the dynamic of any team he joined.

I say Chicago. However, I have a hard time seeing a team that hounded his psyche so much in the last few seasons be a place he would want to go.

Final question. What do you think was the reason for his decline in Vancouver?

1. Pulling his groin one to many times.

2. Hard ass, unforgiving Vancouver media and fans.

3. Losing his mental edge during playoff contention.

I am not interested in beating whatever remains of the dead horse, merely interested in what fellow Canuck fans think.

Edited by Canuck-a-nuck, 13 December 2012 - 12:23 AM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:36 AM

Let's keep it active. A few questions

Who here thinks that Roberto Luongo will be able to win a Stanley Cup after he is traded from Vancouver?

Now considering the teams possibly in the mix for him, who would be improved dramatically enough to become a contender?

Luongo is an excellent goalie and would change the dynamic of any team he joined.

I say Chicago. However, I have a hard time seeing a team that hounded his psyche so much in the last few seasons be a place he would want to go.

Final question. What do you think was the reason for his decline in Vancouver?

1. Pulling his groin one to many times.

2. Hard ass, unforgiving Vancouver media and fans.

3. Losing his mental edge during playoff contention.

I am not interested in beating whatever remains of the dead horse, merely interested in what fellow Canuck fans think.


Philadelphia

4. Not decline, but incline...Young stud will not be denied his day, which is due.

Luongo and a 2nd for Couturier and Simmonds

Bryzgalov to Toronto for Kadri. ::D

Edited by oldnews, 13 December 2012 - 12:38 AM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:57 AM

Let's keep it active. A few questions

Who here thinks that Roberto Luongo will be able to win a Stanley Cup after he is traded from Vancouver?

Now considering the teams possibly in the mix for him, who would be improved dramatically enough to become a contender?

Luongo is an excellent goalie and would change the dynamic of any team he joined.

I say Chicago. However, I have a hard time seeing a team that hounded his psyche so much in the last few seasons be a place he would want to go.

Final question. What do you think was the reason for his decline in Vancouver?

1. Pulling his groin one to many times.

2. Hard ass, unforgiving Vancouver media and fans.

3. Losing his mental edge during playoff contention.

I am not interested in beating whatever remains of the dead horse, merely interested in what fellow Canuck fans think.


I dont think Luongo will win a Stanley Cup anywhere unfortunately. Unless of course whatever team he ends up on goes on some kind of magical run while facing 4 inferior opponents.
I get on Luongo's case quite often which is no secret but I only say that he wont win because I believe his playoff issues are a pattern with him, which I am not convinced he will be able to break.

I think the reason for Luongo's decline is a combination of
- The groin problems
- Age and constant butterfly style taking it's toll
- The playoff meltdowns and the resulting disappointment of them
- AV never pulling him from the net in time to save his remaining confidence when he's off his game

I also think Luongo's decline is amplified in appearance by Schneider's ascent.

Edited by Riviera82, 13 December 2012 - 07:59 AM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

I dont think Luongo will win a Stanley Cup anywhere unfortunately. Unless of course whatever team he ends up on goes on some kind of magical run while facing 4 inferior opponents.
I get on Luongo's case quite often which is no secret but I only say that he wont win because I believe his playoff issues are a pattern with him, which I am not convinced he will be able to break.

I think the reason for Luongo's decline is a combination of
- The groin problems
- Age and constant butterfly style taking it's toll
- The playoff meltdowns and the resulting disappointment of them
- AV never pulling him from the net in time to save his remaining confidence when he's off his game

I also think Luongo's decline is amplified in appearance by Schneider's ascent.


Agreed, especially the 3/4 points. This is the reason I don't think the Nucks will get the prize trade some fans are indicating. And if there's no season this year, there will be decent UFA goalies on the market with better contract options. That's why I would be thrilled to see a return of Bozak and.....KADRI!!!! :towel:
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:03 AM

Let's keep it active. A few questions

Who here thinks that Roberto Luongo will be able to win a Stanley Cup after he is traded from Vancouver?

Now considering the teams possibly in the mix for him, who would be improved dramatically enough to become a contender?


Luongo certainly has the ability to win a Cup after Vancouver. With that said, an argument can be made that he hasn't been the same since the first meltdown in Chicago. All of this recent crap on Twitter isn't exactly encouraging, either, IMO. Strikes me as a guy who's realized that there are far more important things in life than hockey; which is nice, and true, but he's not the same cold-blooded goalie that single-handedly took this team to a division championship and the second round in '07.

A lot of teams could benefit: Chicago & Washington being the two most obvious and immediate ones, IMO. Lu would probably push both Edmonton and Toronto into the playoffs, barring otherwise reasonable health amongst key players. And if Huberdeau's as good as advertised, the Panthers might also be pushed into new territory, but I still don't think they're all that good at the moment.

Final question. What do you think was the reason for his decline in Vancouver?


As you all know, I would've preferred keeping Lu and moving Schneider for more immediate help. I think it's a huge risk for this team to go with a new goalie at this stage. We don't know how Schneider will respond to this fanbase when they turn against him, which will happen, probably pretty quickly. Lu - in relation to the change in his personality referenced above - appears to have just been becoming comfortable with it, which was the one benefit of being more aloof.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

Let's keep it active. A few questions

Who here thinks that Roberto Luongo will be able to win a Stanley Cup after he is traded from Vancouver?

Now considering the teams possibly in the mix for him, who would be improved dramatically enough to become a contender?

Luongo is an excellent goalie and would change the dynamic of any team he joined.

I say Chicago. However, I have a hard time seeing a team that hounded his psyche so much in the last few seasons be a place he would want to go.

Final question. What do you think was the reason for his decline in Vancouver?

1. Pulling his groin one to many times.

2. Hard ass, unforgiving Vancouver media and fans.

3. Losing his mental edge during playoff contention.

I am not interested in beating whatever remains of the dead horse, merely interested in what fellow Canuck fans think.


I do not feel Luongo will win a cup as a starting goalie on any team.

Florida seems like the place that would benefit the most from Lu because it is where he would be away from the spotlight and where his family and heart is and would probabl play his best hockey.

Puling his groin seems to be the turning point in his career, although just the pressure of the Vancouve rmarket and what could be family stresses would had led to the same result over time.
The evolution of goaltending has passed Lu bye and the gap will just get bigger over time. Lu 6-10 years ago was just so much more athletic than most goalies, and back then probably a lot bigger, he could get bye. A goalie like Cory Schneider is just as big, just as athletic and is seemingly s a student who puts a lot of effort into studying and thinking the game.
Cory probably has a book and a plan on what he feels he should do against Yakabov and Schultz, where Lu has a book on how to play Ivy and Negreanu.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:07 AM

And he hasn't been as bad in the last little bit.

Lately BuretoMogilny has taken his spot on these boards over quite nicely.

and Bure is missing in action...maybe sitting in the penalty box , serving time for unsportsmanlike conduct !!
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

Luongo certainly has the ability to win a Cup after Vancouver. With that said, an argument can be made that he hasn't been the same since the first meltdown in Chicago. All of this recent crap on Twitter isn't exactly encouraging, either, IMO. Strikes me as a guy who's realized that there are far more important things in life than hockey; which is nice, and true, but he's not the same cold-blooded goalie that single-handedly took this team to a division championship and the second round in '07.

A lot of teams could benefit: Chicago & Washington being the two most obvious and immediate ones, IMO. Lu would probably push both Edmonton and Toronto into the playoffs, barring otherwise reasonable health amongst key players. And if Huberdeau's as good as advertised, the Panthers might also be pushed into new territory, but I still don't think they're all that good at the moment.



As you all know, I would've preferred keeping Lu and moving Schneider for more immediate help. I think it's a huge risk for this team to go with a new goalie at this stage. We don't know how Schneider will respond to this fanbase when they turn against him, which will happen, probably pretty quickly. Lu - in relation to the change in his personality referenced above - appears to have just been becoming comfortable with it, which was the one benefit of being more aloof.

the fan base is a weak excuse for Lou's problems.His biggest problem(consensus) is his mental state under pressure and it is compounded by recently acquired poor technique and poor fundamentals. Schneider is technically superior, quicker and cooler. There is little reason to believe he will fail or that the fanbase will influence his play. I think you'll see the Canucks play with more confidence with Schneids between the pipes.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

Philadelphia

4. Not decline, but incline...Young stud will not be denied his day, which is due.

Luongo and a 2nd for Couturier and Simmonds

Bryzgalov to Toronto for Kadri. ::D



I actually suggested something along those lines early on in the Luongo saga.

I think I was looking for both Schenns in return, but I was giving the Flyers a defenseman as well. It was kind of tongue in cheek, but I was suggesting the Flyers bury Breezy in the minors like the Rags did with Redden. Unfortunately, the new CBA will likely do away with that option.

Thinking outside the box a bit, I wonder what Homer would say to Luo and Edler for the Schenns? Don't get me wrong, I love Eddie, but as a pending UFA, I don't know if we can keep him...
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