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#2761 allkill326

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

Was Elliot buoyed by a defensive system, or was he just that good?

I lean the other way on this one. I think St. Lu played a purely defensive system that helped Elliot have inflated stated.

What's the comparison between the 2 goalies?


I mean, Halak had similar, if not better, statistics as Elliott did, and I think St. Louis does an impeccable job, maintaining tight and steady defense.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

I mean, Halak had similar, if not better, statistics as Elliott did, and I think St. Louis does an impeccable job, maintaining tight and steady defense.

....and...with their blanket defense, they allowed 5 fewer shots or abot 15% fewer shots on goal than Phoenix, which obviously includes perimeter shots..that people say Phoenix allow...it still amounts to fewer shots and fewer scoring opportunities....410 shots less in a season is amazing in itself...regardless of quality....
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:55 AM

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit

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#2765 smurf47

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:30 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit

ask Santa...its your only hope !!
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#2766 WiDeN

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

BYI?

Boo York Islanders?

Brooklyn York Islanders?

Big Yak Inyouface?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:00 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit


How many more times do you want to see the Canucks lose in the conference semi-final or earlier?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit

:lol: Both teams laugh and say no
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit

world class goaltender..
one of the best two way centers in the league
a top 4 D'man yes a top 4 D'man..
and a first when our core is getting older.... smart.
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#2770 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

BYI
Schneider
Kesler
Ballard
1st

VAN
Tavares
Streit


10/10, both realistic and would gain alot of interest from both sides...... :bigblush:


(jk, both sides decline)
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

10/10, both realistic and would gain alot of interest from both sides...... :bigblush:


(jk, both sides decline)

It's still a step up from discussing the merits of Mike Smith as a goaltender and whether he is the real deal, or the product of a great system....
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

It's still a step up from discussing the merits of Mike Smith as a goaltender and whether he is the real deal, or the product of a great system....


I don't know about that.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:53 PM

It's still a step up from discussing the merits of Mike Smith as a goaltender and whether he is the real deal, or the product of a great system....

except, mike smith makes more sense !
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

To Vancouver

John Carlson (4M 6yrs)
Filip Forsberg

Washington

Roberto Luongo (5.33 10yrs)
2nd round pick (or mid level D prospect or Tanev if they give us a pick)



We take back a good defenseman and some salary, and a top level prospect.

Both teams get value, and improve.
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#2775 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

To Vancouver

John Carlson (4M 6yrs)
Filip Forsberg

Washington

Roberto Luongo (5.33 10yrs)
2nd round pick (or mid level D prospect or Tanev if they give us a pick)



We take back a good defenseman and some salary, and a top level prospect.

Both teams get value, and improve.


I don't see them trading Carlson for Luongo alone, not that it's not fair value wise, Carlson is just too important for them. And adding in Forsberg doesn't help matters.

I don't think WSH is a realistic destination, Goaltending isn't a big need for them, Neuvirth and Holtby are capable, then they have other area's they would use there asset's on before goaltending.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

To Vancouver

John Carlson (4M 6yrs)
Filip Forsberg

Washington

Roberto Luongo (5.33 10yrs)
2nd round pick (or mid level D prospect or Tanev if they give us a pick)


Hey, why not just have Kuznetsov coming our way as well?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

Hey, why not just have Kuznetsov coming our way as well?

I'm hung over, give me a break.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

I'm hung over, give me a break.


Arm, leg, finger?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

To Ottawa

Bob Luongo


To Vancouver

Milan Michalec
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

To Ottawa

Bob Luongo


To Vancouver

Milan Michalec


Can't tell if serious... :P
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

To Ottawa

Bob Luongo


To Vancouver

Milan Michalec

Hung over or still drunk WiDen?? lol

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Just trying to butcher a couple proposals.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:37 PM

To Ottawa

Bob Luongo


To Vancouver

Milan Michalec


hmm....sure, would be good with Kesler and booth.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

Not to flog a dead horse here but I will

I went to the Marlies/Bulldogs game today and was keen to watch a number of players mentioned in our regular Lou to Toronto proposals. A number of observations.

1. Gardiner is hurt but he's a stud and I've seen enough of him at the NHL level to know (especially given the lack of other players in their system) that he MUST be part of any deal if we are not going to be ripped off.

2. Kadri - don't want to get into it again but I stand by earlier posts. I watched this kid hardly skate, looks disinterested, poor positioning defensively (often allowing the opposing center between him and the net), did end up getting two weak assists (1 was a second, the other off a draw - so he looks good on the score sheet) but really did nothing. He doesn't have NHL speed, and his play really looked weak. Got rocked by Stortini and may have a concussion and honestly it was from playing lacksidasical, not paying attention. This game really cemented my view that he is nothing better than an AHL all star for life - don't want him as part of this deal.

3. Carter Ashton - terrific size, nhl speed, strong on his skates and along the walls, passes well. Still needs to work on his hands but would be nice as part of a package - reminds me of a faster Booth. He will play in the NHL - perhaps as a 3rd liner or if he can develop his hands a 2nd liner - solid player.

4. Frattin - again not very noticable - not horrendous but nothing great

5. Scrivens - will play in the NHL and is ready. Steady, calm, at times looked bored as Hamilton didn't pressure him much, but moved well and made some strong saves at key moments. I think the leafs would want to ship us Reimer instead but as a kid to groom in the minors for another year would be worth taking back (although would create some issues with Lack).

All in all, as I expected, Leafs really lack any sort of talent in the minor league system that makes them attractive as a trading partner. At best I would want

Lou/Ray/Ballard

For

Scrivens/Gardiner/Bozak

But Leafs wont do that so

Gardiner / Bozak at a min

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 26 December 2012 - 04:00 PM.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:35 PM

Just saw on TSN that Kadri didn't return for the 3rd period of today's Marlies game, complaining of a headache after the Stortini hit.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:52 PM

Gardiner / Bozak at a min


Would be a huge win, can't picture it happening. Toronto doesn't care about what's "fair value". The force driving this trade is that there are few buyers interested in what is a very risky acquisition (Luongo). I can't imagine Toronto having to give up the package that you've suggested to take Luongo off of Vancouver's hands, which must eventually happen (Luongo leaving Vancouver).

I still suspect/fear that Gillis will rue the day that he turned down Luke Schenn for Luongo, if that was actually offered.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:30 PM

Would be a huge win, can't picture it happening. Toronto doesn't care about what's "fair value". The force driving this trade is that there are few buyers interested in what is a very risky acquisition (Luongo). I can't imagine Toronto having to give up the package that you've suggested to take Luongo off of Vancouver's hands, which must eventually happen (Luongo leaving Vancouver).

I still suspect/fear that Gillis will rue the day that he turned down Luke Schenn for Luongo, if that was actually offered.


I dont, I don't think Schenn will ever be all that much more than he is, he will maybe develop consistentcy and become a reliable top 4 Dman but he doesn't have many dynamics to his game, I would rather have a Kadri+ some other young pieces.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

I dont, I don't think Schenn will ever be all that much more than he is, he will maybe develop consistentcy and become a reliable top 4 Dman but he doesn't have many dynamics to his game, I would rather have a Kadri+ some other young pieces.


:sadno: :rolleyes:
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

:sadno: :rolleyes:


:lol:

Fine Kadri or other young pieces.
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