BuretoMogilny, on 28 December 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:
1. You clearly haven't watched him vs even AHL players because his speed was at best average and he coasts alot. You rarely seem him go hard for a puck at all and seldom if ever go into a corner.
I am not sure what you are watching other than your midnight dreams and that's fine.
2. I don't 'dislike' him, I don't know him. I am objectively judging his talent and ability to jump to the next level and don't beleive he will or can successfully without significant changes to his attitude, effort and desire - those intangibles are developed over one's life not in a few weeks and therefore I don;t believe he is good enough.
3. My talent analysis is off? he wouldn't do so well in the AHL if he wasn't capable? Again, I refer you to hundreds of players who have been in the top ten in AHL scoring over the AHL history who have not made the jump. A canuck example hows Josh Holden, 12th overall, more points in junior, slightly bigger, a better skater, a few callups but never stuck and pt per game in the AHL...where's he? In Europe. I can give you hundreds more.
He's not worth any part of the deal unless a throw in and Burke will pawn him as a top line center . Again, if a team is in need of a talented top line center (1 or 2nd line) why would they deal their 'star in the making' as you suggest.
Ever think about that? lol
Ya give away the biggest hole you have on your team and therefore by implication your most valuable young asset for a goalie who is terrific but there is no market for.
Wouldn't you trade a dman since they seem to have a surplus of young d?
Im sure you're rationalize that away some how.
Kadri = Leaf junk
So Kadri is the leafs top center? Lol he isn't a 1st line center right now. I'm not sure how trading him takes anything away from there team trading him in a deal for Luongo would only fill an even bigger hole.
Now, you say he is an average skater, that's fine. I think he is a bit above average, but either way he doesn't have top notch speed, and that's fine, Skating isn't an issue which is my point, his speed and skating ability is perfectly fine. Not a weakness. And your right he does coast, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good skater, and him coasting isn't a problem, the only players who should have there feet moving the entire time (or most of it) is the defense. All forwards are going to coast from time to time it's the way the position works.
Give me Hundreds more, Josh Holden didn't put up the AHL points Kadri did right away and didn't even manage the NHL production Kadri has which isn't even outstanding in the first place.
He doesn't go into the corners? Where is the proof? From everything I have seen, everything I have read, all the games I have watched I have noticed he has no issue going into the corners, his size which is average not small, isn't an issue, it doesn't take away from his game.
Also you say he doesn't have desire, work ethic and he has a bad attitude. If these things were true then why hasn't he requested a trade? Why hasn't he given up yet? And if your going to come back with the out of shape argument again, tell me how many pounds he was overweight (Which probably isn't much) and also consider the fact that he is a picky eater and it is something he is working on, it's not that he doesn't care it is that he can't eat certain things, I know myself from experiance there are just some things my system just resists.
And if you weren't biased, you would look at all the great things he does well.
Okay so either way lets look at the big picture as to why I think we should be interested in him. He is 22 years old, young and developing, he is already NHL ready, and still has alot of development and learning to do, our prospect pool is weak in top talent, and adding him would be a huge addition, we need future talent. He would come here, we would be patient with him, give him chances, give him alot of opportuinty, there would be no pressure, and he could help us out in the future.
And also since you are so interested in pointing out what you think he isn't good at, let's look at the other half of the glass and look at what he does bring:
- Great shot
- Has great vision, and see's the ice very well
- great passer, has great hands and great puck control
- is great at finding holes, and jumping into them
- He isn't afraid to go where it takes to get the puck and create offense
- He throws his weight around, he's not a complete softy, he does like to hit and isn't all that bad about it
- He has game breaking offensive ability
- His overall offensive skill is already NHL calibre and a bit above average IMO, Better than some guys on our team (Raymond, Higgins, Hansen)
- He skates well
People think he is not good defensively, and he isn't a defensive specialist and doesn't have to be, that's not the kind of player he is, ever time I see him he isn't a liability defensively and he isn't a liability defensively, so I don't see an issue there, not every player has to provide supreme defensive play, and also in his 1st NHL camp he led the team in +/- (Was +6) last year in the NHL he was a + player and in the AHL he is a career + player, so he also has the stats to back that up.
And above all else, he is 22!!! He is still developing, he still is getting better, he is still working at it, bring him here and let him continue working at it without the pressure, give him some chances, and let him show his offensive ability & upside.
You should be less biased when you watch him play, and fairly assess what he does well aswell rather than just trying to identify as many weaknesses as you can like you try to.