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#2881 Canucks_Hockey_101

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

:lol:

Boston does this because?


Because they get a hometown super goalie to replace Thomas (Rask won't last), and a first, and some depth on defense.

The Canucks get a hometown player who will put his whole heart in it.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:18 PM

BOS
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Tuukka Rask...Malcolm Subban...

Great proposal.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:18 PM

Because they get a hometown super goalie to replace Thomas (Rask won't last), and a first, and some depth on defense.

The Canucks get a hometown player who will put his whole heart in it.


Rask is just as good as Schneider (Atleast they think so in Boston)

A late first, and an overpaid defensemen, who is better than most think but doesn't hold much value anymore.

Not sure why they need Schneider, the deal doesn't make sense from their perspective.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

Tuukka Rask...Malcolm Subban...

Great proposal.


Hey King, just wanted to know who your favorite team is?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:07 PM

BOS
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Ballard
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VAN
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

Hey King, just wanted to know who your favorite team is?

I'm guessing Hartford Whalers....
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Are we actually talking about Wellwood? What are the Canucks; a bottom feeder?

Get what you can for Luongo,
Get Kadri at all cost,
Shouldn't have let Wellwood go,

Insanity or ignorance; pick one, because that's what I'm reading.

Luongo is our best chance to a Cup,
Kadri will have an excellent AHL career,
Wellwood is a thing of the past and thank God for that.

This team does not need to trade it's top 5 goaltender, it does not need to chaperone a Leafs' failure, nor does it need to get softer.

This team needs a 1D, some heavy toughness and some scoring; it relies too much on the Sedins to carry the load. Kesler needs to pass if he's going to center the second line and if not, this team needs a 2C to pass to Kesler and Booth.

Schneider needs to be traded at some point in order to bring in some much needed help as either a 1D, a 2C or a T6F.

Packaging Edler and Schneider together for a 1D is what I'm looking for.

Question...how did you arrive at top 5 goalie? His stats last year were 12th and 16th I believe....and...on a first place team! Teams are built from the goal out, so, why trade your best goalie who gives you a better chance to win? An "A" defenseman plays maybe 24 minutes a game, not the 60 a goalie plays? Schneider 1.96gaa, Lou 2.41, SP .936 VS .919 !!
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

Schneider needs to be traded at some point in order to bring in some much needed help as either a 1D, a 2C or a T6F.

Packaging Edler and Schneider together for a 1D is what I'm looking for.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:08 PM

Question...how did you arrive at top 5 goalie? His stats last year were 12th and 16th I believe....and...on a first place team! Teams are built from the goal out, so, why trade your best goalie who gives you a better chance to win? An "A" defenseman plays maybe 24 minutes a game, not the 60 a goalie plays? Schneider 1.96gaa, Lou 2.41, SP .936 VS .919 !!


You don't build a team based on one year stats. Like the stock market, one studies a particular company for its 10 year record. Again and again, I think I understand what you're saying since that's all you're saying: last year's stats are sub par. Yes. I understand. Last year's stats are sub par. Sub par, are last year's stats. I do understand this. Thanks to you Smurf47, who keeps mentioning it every three post you post.

There is no guarantee in Schneider whereas there is a guarantee with Luongo; the Canucks make the playoffs.

Despite your forty years experience in the technicality of goaltending, you seem to have forgotten the revolving door of the 80's, 90's and early 00's regarding goaltending.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 30 December 2012 - 05:10 PM.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

This team needs a 1D, some heavy toughness and some scoring; it relies too much on the Sedins to carry the load. Kesler needs to pass if he's going to center the second line and if not, this team needs a 2C to pass to Kesler and Booth.

Schneider needs to be traded at some point in order to bring in some much needed help as either a 1D, a 2C or a T6F.

Packaging Edler and Schneider together for a 1D is what I'm looking for.


A "supergoalie" as you referred to Schneider, and an all star blueliner for another #1 defenseman?
Who do you have in mind?

Yes, I am calling Hamhius a #1 - I'm betting Yzerman would agree and puts him on Team Canada's top 6 (definitely ahead of what people here loosely call a #1 on the Laff's blueline).

Kesler on the wing? Silly. He's a Selke center for a reason.

I wouldn't give these ideas a pass in grade school hockey, let alone 101.

No squared.

Edited by oldnews, 30 December 2012 - 05:49 PM.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

A "supergoalie" as you referred to Schneider, and an all star blueliner for another #1 defenseman?
Who do you have in mind?

Yes, I am calling Hamhius a #1 - I'm betting Yzerman would agree and puts him on Team Canada's top 6 (definitely ahead of what people here loosely call a #1 on the Laff's blueline).

Kesler on the wing? Silly. He's a Selke center for a reason.

I wouldn't give these ideas a pass in grade school hockey, let alone 101.

No squared.


Not sure if Hamhuis will crack the top 6 of Team Canada but he has definitely played like a #1 defenceman during his time with the Canucks.


probably locks: Weber, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Letang


Hamhuis, Seabrook, Subban, Burns, Boyle, Girardi, Myers (depending on his progress)
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

shazzam, I never read your posts.

I usually just end up staring at your avatar.

Damn Kate Upton and her tig ol' bitties.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

You don't build a team based on one year stats. Like the stock market, one studies a particular company for its 10 year record. Again and again, I think I understand what you're saying since that's all you're saying: last year's stats are sub par. Yes. I understand. Last year's stats are sub par. Sub par, are last year's stats. I do understand this. Thanks to you Smurf47, who keeps mentioning it every three post you post.

There is no guarantee in Schneider whereas there is a guarantee with Luongo; the Canucks make the playoffs.

Despite your forty years experience in the technicality of goaltending, you seem to have forgotten the revolving door of the 80's, 90's and early 00's regarding goaltending.

and you , on the other hand, want to trade the goalie who is now burying Lou in stats . Disregarding Lous poorer than average post season stats. I believe the Canucks could make the playoffs with anyone who has a sp over.900. That being said, Lou is not the reason they make the playoffs, but clearly has been the goalie who is unable to maintain seasonal stats even when teams are playing tighter defense in the playoffs. What Lou has done in the past, is in the past and that wasn;t good enough to win us a cup. There is no reason to believe that lou will improve playing the style he played last season, Somewhere along the line, it appears that management has chosen to go with Schneider but some of you still believe Lou is the guy. Live by the sword, die by the sword !
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

You don't build a team based on one year stats. Like the stock market, one studies a particular company for its 10 year record. Again and again, I think I understand what you're saying since that's all you're saying: last year's stats are sub par. Yes. I understand. Last year's stats are sub par. Sub par, are last year's stats. I do understand this. Thanks to you Smurf47, who keeps mentioning it every three post you post.

There is no guarantee in Schneider whereas there is a guarantee with Luongo; the Canucks make the playoffs.

Despite your forty years experience in the technicality of goaltending, you seem to have forgotten the revolving door of the 80's, 90's and early 00's regarding goaltending.


Investing in Lu would be like investing in RIM. Sure it has been a good stock up until the last year, but would be very risky indeed to invest in either going forward.

Look at when RIM peaked and when Lu peaked and when each began their fall.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

Schneider is outta here.

Hello Roberto/Eddie show!
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

Schneider is outta here.

Hello Roberto/Eddie show!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

So Kadri is the leafs top center? Lol he isn't a 1st line center right now. I'm not sure how trading him takes anything away from there team trading him in a deal for Luongo would only fill an even bigger hole.

Now, you say he is an average skater, that's fine. I think he is a bit above average, but either way he doesn't have top notch speed, and that's fine, Skating isn't an issue which is my point, his speed and skating ability is perfectly fine. Not a weakness. And your right he does coast, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good skater, and him coasting isn't a problem, the only players who should have there feet moving the entire time (or most of it) is the defense. All forwards are going to coast from time to time it's the way the position works.

Give me Hundreds more, Josh Holden didn't put up the AHL points Kadri did right away and didn't even manage the NHL production Kadri has which isn't even outstanding in the first place.

He doesn't go into the corners? Where is the proof? From everything I have seen, everything I have read, all the games I have watched I have noticed he has no issue going into the corners, his size which is average not small, isn't an issue, it doesn't take away from his game.

Also you say he doesn't have desire, work ethic and he has a bad attitude. If these things were true then why hasn't he requested a trade? Why hasn't he given up yet? And if your going to come back with the out of shape argument again, tell me how many pounds he was overweight (Which probably isn't much) and also consider the fact that he is a picky eater and it is something he is working on, it's not that he doesn't care it is that he can't eat certain things, I know myself from experiance there are just some things my system just resists.


And if you weren't biased, you would look at all the great things he does well.

Okay so either way lets look at the big picture as to why I think we should be interested in him. He is 22 years old, young and developing, he is already NHL ready, and still has alot of development and learning to do, our prospect pool is weak in top talent, and adding him would be a huge addition, we need future talent. He would come here, we would be patient with him, give him chances, give him alot of opportuinty, there would be no pressure, and he could help us out in the future.

And also since you are so interested in pointing out what you think he isn't good at, let's look at the other half of the glass and look at what he does bring:
- Great shot
- Has great vision, and see's the ice very well
- great passer, has great hands and great puck control
- is great at finding holes, and jumping into them
- He isn't afraid to go where it takes to get the puck and create offense
- He throws his weight around, he's not a complete softy, he does like to hit and isn't all that bad about it
- He has game breaking offensive ability
- His overall offensive skill is already NHL calibre and a bit above average IMO, Better than some guys on our team (Raymond, Higgins, Hansen)
- He skates well

People think he is not good defensively, and he isn't a defensive specialist and doesn't have to be, that's not the kind of player he is, ever time I see him he isn't a liability defensively and he isn't a liability defensively, so I don't see an issue there, not every player has to provide supreme defensive play, and also in his 1st NHL camp he led the team in +/- (Was +6) last year in the NHL he was a + player and in the AHL he is a career + player, so he also has the stats to back that up.

And above all else, he is 22!!! He is still developing, he still is getting better, he is still working at it, bring him here and let him continue working at it without the pressure, give him some chances, and let him show his offensive ability & upside.

You should be less biased when you watch him play, and fairly assess what he does well aswell rather than just trying to identify as many weaknesses as you can like you try to.


You just don't get it...

I get that...
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

There is no guarantee in Schneider whereas there is a guarantee with Luongo; the Canucks make the playoffs.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:25 PM

You just don't get it...

I get that...


Nice reply.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Schneider is outta here.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

Not sure if Hamhuis will crack the top 6 of Team Canada but he has definitely played like a #1 defenceman during his time with the Canucks.


probably locks: Weber, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Letang


Hamhuis, Seabrook, Subban, Burns, Boyle, Girardi, Myers (depending on his progress)


I agree that Weber, Pietrangelo are probably Letang are locks - after that, I think Hamhius has as good a chance as anyone.

Last year he put up 37 points and a second consecutive +29.

Doughty had 36 points and -2.
Keith had 40 and +15 (45 and -1 the year before).
Seabrook - 34 points, +21.
Subban 36 points, +9.
Burns, Boyle, Girardi all comparable to these guys, but imo, the Hammer measures up favourably, especially considering his shut down role and that his scoring is largely unassisted by pp time nor being used in an offensive role.

I think he could possibly even make the top 4, but has a really good shot at the top 6.
Yes, I'm a homer ::D - I think Hammer is still under-rated. The guy is smoooooooth.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:19 PM

I agree that Weber, Pietrangelo are probably Letang are locks - after that, I think Hamhius has as good a chance as anyone.

Last year he put up 37 points and a second consecutive +29.

Doughty had 36 points and -2.
Keith had 40 and +15 (45 and -1 the year before).
Seabrook - 34 points, +21.
Subban 36 points, +9.
Burns, Boyle, Girardi all comparable to these guys, but imo, the Hammer measures up favourably, especially considering his shut down role and that his scoring is largely unassisted by pp time nor being used in an offensive role.

I think he could possibly even make the top 4, but has a really good shot at the top 6.
Yes, I'm a homer ::D - I think Hammer is still under-rated. The guy is smoooooooth.

I agree with Hammer being under-rated. I really like the sound of a Hamhuis-Doughty pair. Maybe that could be pair 3

Weber - Pietrangelo
Keith - Letang
Hamhuis - Doughty
Seabrook

How does that sound?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

I agree that Weber, Pietrangelo are probably Letang are locks - after that, I think Hamhius has as good a chance as anyone.

Last year he put up 37 points and a second consecutive +29.

Doughty had 36 points and -2.
Keith had 40 and +15 (45 and -1 the year before).
Seabrook - 34 points, +21.
Subban 36 points, +9.
Burns, Boyle, Girardi all comparable to these guys, but imo, the Hammer measures up favourably, especially considering his shut down role and that his scoring is largely unassisted by pp time nor being used in an offensive role.

I think he could possibly even make the top 4, but has a really good shot at the top 6.
Yes, I'm a homer ::D - I think Hammer is still under-rated. The guy is smoooooooth.


The bolded and underlined words represent the most accurate statement that you've said on this site.

There is simply no way that 32 year-old Dan Hamhuis will be on Canada's 2014 team. Doughty, Keith, and Seabrook are all younger, were all part of the gold medal winning team in 2010, and have all won Stanley Cups. Hamhuis does not match up. If 2010 is any indication, they'll also want to bring along some younger guys, so you've gotta think that besides the guys you've mentioned, Tyler Myers might get picked, MDZ, Marc Staal, maybe even Fowler.

Heck, maybe even Justin Schultz...

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

The bolded and underlined words represent the most accurate statement that you've said on this site.

There is simply no way that 32 year-old Dan Hamhuis will be on Canada's 2014 team. Doughty, Keith, and Seabrook are all younger, were all part of the gold medal winning team in 2010, and have all won Stanley Cups. Hamhuis does not match up. If 2010 is any indication, they'll also want to bring along some younger guys, so you've gotta think that besides the guys you've mentioned, Tyler Myers might get picked, MDZ, Marc Staal, maybe even Fowler.

Heck, maybe even Justin Schultz...

:bigblush:


Fowler is american, and Hamhuis > Schultz (Aswell as Hamhuis > Phaneuf)

You can see why they would highly consider, Hamhuis is reliable in every situation, can be counted on in the biggest moments, makes the right plays all the time, and those things are the most important things to have as a defensemen because as you see with players like Phaneuf they have all the skill but lack those things and it makes them underachieve. (Then aswell Hammer also has the physical skills to back those things up and maximize those skills to the highest level)

I think they would choose Myers over him and some other guys but if they need a rock back there who they can count on to be solid (Much like the WJ team did with the Wotherspoon pick) Hamhuis would be that guy. And that's something they would take under heavy consideration.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:16 AM

Fowler is american, and Hamhuis > Schultz (Aswell as Hamhuis > Phaneuf)

You can see why they would highly consider, Hamhuis is reliable in every situation, can be counted on in the biggest moments, makes the right plays all the time, and those things are the most important things to have as a defensemen because as you see with players like Phaneuf they have all the skill but lack those things and it makes them underachieve. (Then aswell Hammer also has the physical skills to back those things up and maximize those skills to the highest level)

I think they would choose Myers over him and some other guys but if they need a rock back there who they can count on to be solid (Much like the WJ team did with the Wotherspoon pick) Hamhuis would be that guy. And that's something they would take under heavy consideration.


Hamhuis is a good defenceman, he's not Team Canada material at the Olympic level. You could make the argument that he's anywhere between the 1 - 3 defenceman on the Vancouver Canucks. "Reliable in every situation" makes you a well-rounded player - Aaron Rome was also reliable in every situation - it does not make you an Olympian.

He's not better than Dion Phaneuf. Look at their careers. Dion Phaneuf is also the captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Laugh at that all you want, it means something. Oldnews - the self-professed "homer" - is kidding himself if he thinks Phaneuf would actually be Vancouver's 5th defenceman, an utterly ridiculous notion.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

Hamhuis is a good defenceman, he's not Team Canada material at the Olympic level. You could make the argument that he's anywhere between the 1 - 3 defenceman on the Vancouver Canucks. "Reliable in every situation" makes you a well-rounded player - Aaron Rome was also reliable in every situation - it does not make you an Olympian.

He's not better than Dion Phaneuf. Look at their careers. Dion Phaneuf is also the captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Laugh at that all you want, it means something. Oldnews - the self-professed "homer" - is kidding himself if he thinks Phaneuf would actually be Vancouver's 5th defenceman, an utterly ridiculous notion.

Phaneuf is not as good as Hamhuis as a player or character. Also, why would Sutter give him up for a bag of pucks if he is so good. The reason is because he isn't a team player and makes big defensive blunders. Anything you have to say about Sutter he can't hear you with his Cup ring plugging his ear.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

Phaneuf is not as good as Hamhuis as a player or character. Also, why would Sutter give him up for a bag of pucks if he is so good. The reason is because he isn't a team player and makes big defensive blunders. Anything you have to say about Sutter he can't hear you with his Cup ring plugging his ear.


Would rather not get into a huge debate about this again.

I'll just suggest that if you want a more representative answer of who the better player is, go ask fans of Edmonton who they'd rather have on their team, if they could sign either guy for identical money and term today. Go ask Ranger fans. Habs fans. Blackhawk fans. Whatever. I would be shocked if anybody but the Canuck fan chose Hamhuis. He's just not as good. Look at their career history. One guy has accomplished far more than the other, at a younger age.

And out of curiosity, do you think Manny Malhotra is also better than Joe Thornton? Thornton was traded to San Jose for a bag of pucks, which couldn't be due to a management error, could it?
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

The bolded and underlined words represent the most accurate statement that you've said on this site.

There is simply no way that 32 year-old Dan Hamhuis will be on Canada's 2014 team. Doughty, Keith, and Seabrook are all younger, were all part of the gold medal winning team in 2010, and have all won Stanley Cups. Hamhuis does not match up. If 2010 is any indication, they'll also want to bring along some younger guys, so you've gotta think that besides the guys you've mentioned, Tyler Myers might get picked, MDZ, Marc Staal, maybe even Fowler.

Heck, maybe even Justin Schultz...

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Well that seals it. Yzerman has been notified.
King has spoken hahaha.
Hamhius isn't as good as Phaneuf... Schultz has a better chance of making team Canada...
Cam Fowler??? Wow, You're taking that cured wizdom to new heights King lolzzzz. But you can't be serious - he has young potential, but he has really struggled in the NHL - Fowler is -53 in two years - far and away the worst on the Ducks (next worse is Sbisa at combined -16). A full -111 worse than Hamhius in two seasons.
I must be biased.
I stand corrected.

Edited by oldnews, 01 January 2013 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

Would rather not get into a huge debate about this again.

I'll just suggest that if you want a more representative answer of who the better player is, go ask fans of Edmonton who they'd rather have on their team, if they could sign either guy for identical money and term today. Go ask Ranger fans. Habs fans. Blackhawk fans. Whatever. I would be shocked if anybody but the Canuck fan chose Hamhuis. He's just not as good. Look at their career history. One guy has accomplished far more than the other, at a younger age.

And out of curiosity, do you think Manny Malhotra is also better than Joe Thornton? Thornton was traded to San Jose for a bag of pucks, which couldn't be due to a management error, could it?


King would rather not get into a big debate lol (after just launching into one with your patented 'realism') That's gottabe a first - coming from the guy who is definitely in the running as CDC's #1 instigator.

You've really qualified your point. Comparing our fourth line center to San Jose's first is the perfect analogy. Phaneuf is THAT much better than Hamhius LLLOOOOLLLLZZZZ.

Why don't you test your theory. Write some of you 'authorities' - like Bob McKenzie and Craig Button - ask them who they'd rather have.
Or even better yet, test your opinion and post a few polls on other sites and get back to us.

Edited by oldnews, 01 January 2013 - 10:55 AM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

I agree with the King on this one.

Phanuef is much more of an impact player, whether its a big hit or a big goal, he is a momentum changer.

Hamhuis is a stabelizer. A steady player who maintains and evens out, but will not necessarily change the coarse of a game. Instead, he helps that game changer become more effective.

Both players are effective, but Phaneuf is a rarer commodity, and I dont think there would be many GMs in the league to take Hamhuis over Phaneuf, as Hamhius' role would be easier to replace.


Would you rather have Marc Stall or PK Subban? Gary Suter or Shea Weber?

Edited by 70seven, 01 January 2013 - 11:01 AM.

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