oldnews, on 15 December 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:
Are you kidding? This is extremely uninformed, even for you.
Have you ever watched a Tampa Bay game or seen Stamkos play hockey?
Stamkos threw over 100 hits last year, and was 2nd best on the Lightning in plus/minus.
Kessel threw 12 (his average in three years in Toronto) and has been a -38 there.
There literally is absolutely no comparison between these players. Even if you isolate Kessel's lone strength, over the past three seasons Stamkos has taken 872 shots and scored 156 goals while Kessel took 917 shots, scoring 99 goals. By comparison, Burrows has scored 89 goals on 559 shots. Apparently Burrows is a far better sniper than Kessel, and in all other aspects of the game, is vastly superior - but that doesn't stop people like Mullet from suggesting that Kessel would belong on the top line in Vancouver. PPPPFFFFFTTTT!!!!
Read Elvis' revealing post King. Kessel has been 20th, 29th, and 20th on the Leafs (that's relative to his bad teammates) in plus minus his three years there. The whole "the Leafs are bad" but Kessel isn't, 'he's just playing for a bad team' argument is nonsense. The fact is that the Leafs have surrounded Kessel with 20 or more players every season who are better all around five on five hockey players than he is.
Yes - Kessel is a one trick pony, and without that trick, would have a hard time making the Icelandic Hockey League.
Question: who are the bad Leafs King?
Analogy: the L.A. Lakers are 2 and 11 when Kobe Bryant scores 30 or more points. They are 8 and 3 when he scores less than 30. What do you think that means?
While I don't disagree that Stamkos is a better player than Kessel, I do think Kessel isn't given the credit he deserves. He is scoring, and the only consistent scoring on a crap leafs team and does so without a real set up man.
If the leafs had a guy like Martin St. Louis setting him up I'm pretty sure the guy would be hitting 45-50 year, he is that good. He plays a positional game, finding holes and has a terrific shot/release. Unfortunately, with that type of style and no set up man he's had to adjust his game to be more of a off the rush, one on one type player, thus the criticisms in the past of fitness etc. While he's not Brett Hull, if you recall, Brett Hull often had the same criticisms and they play a very similar style (but Kessel actually has exceptional speed).
If you put a guy who knew how to find him in 'spots' in the offensive zone theat guy would be competing for the Richard trophy most years.
He is very good but your comments on Stamkos being better and bringing more to the table as an all around game (and even offensively) are true, but doesn't mean Kessel is not a potential superstar with a talented set up man.
PS. I really don't care about his plus minus if I'm the leafs number one bc plus minus is actually more of a team stat than player stat, and moreover, that is easily solved by having a defensively responsible 2 way center (morrison between nazzy and bert). Let the dancers dance, you never cared if Hull, Bure, etc etc played at their end, as long as they scored. He's a game breaker so focus should be is he able to get from high 30's low 40's to high 40's and 50 goal seasons consistently, If so thats probably 4-5 more wins a year for the leafs and the playoffs.
Edited by BuretoMogilny, 15 December 2012 - 07:19 AM.