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#1 Tystick

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

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Don’t be surprised if you catch a federal fleet of sneaky spy drones soaring over your head in the near future, but don’t be too terrified — it’s all in the name of public safety.
The US Department of Homeland Security is asking the makers of small unmanned aerial vehicles to submit their crafts for consideration as the agency ramps up the construction of a full-fledged surveillance state across America. The DHS plans to soon conduct drone tests over the Fort Sill, Oklahoma US Army base, and they’re already soliciting spy planes from the private sector so they can select what kind of UAV to use.

According to a request for information published on the Federal Business Opportunities website recently, the DHS is determined to begin drone tests over the military base soon and is seeking submissions from drone makers that don’t mind making a few bucks by having their products put into the US airspace to conduct sweeping surveillance.

The Borders and Maritime Security Division of the DHS “will conduct flight testing and evaluation of airborne sensors and small unmanned aerial systems,” the request reads, and now invites vendors to submit drones to be tested “under a wide variety of simulated but realistic and relevant real-world operation scenarios.”

The solicitation says that drones will be evaluated to see how well they perform law enforcement operations and conduct search and rescue missions, but once a craft is handed over to the DHS then the details will be put under lock and key. Specifically, the call for work says, "the information within each test report will be classified as For Official Use Only, and will not be shared with the general public."

Given that the department has already addressed the issue of acquiring drones to give the DHS a better eye of domestic doings, though, those law enforcement operations in question could very well transcend away from legitimate uses and quickly cause civil liberty concerns from coast-to-coast.

Homeland Security Janet Napolitano told a House Committee panel in July that the DHS was “looking at drones that could be utilized to give us situational awareness in a large public safety [matter] or disaster” and the next piece of the puzzle is already being put into place. With their latest solicitation, the DHS acknowledges that it is specifically testing a “Robotic Aircraft For Public Safety,” but the components necessary to be considered suggest that any drone adopted by the agency will be brought in for sweeping surveillance.

The solicitation request requires that all drones be equipped with Electro-Optical/Infra-Red sensors, as well as the technology to sniff out certain chemicals from thousands of feet from above. The UAV must also have an integrated laser designator, can be hand-launched by a single person and must be able to be remotely managed by a pilot with only one day of training.

The Federal Aviation Administration is working towards putting the finishing touches on rules and regulations for widespread domestic drone use, and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end.


http://rt.com/usa/ne...lic-safety-019/

I can see this going wrong in so many ways
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

"Going" wrong...?
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:16 PM

Can you install a "canine carrier" on top of a drone? .. :lol:
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:20 PM

I don't see what the big deal is. You don't think big brother already has the ability to monitor every aspect of your life?

They can tell where you are and what you're doing simply by tracing your phone, listening to your conversations, following your internet searches, and monitoring your financial transactions. What difference does it make if they can see you from 10,000 feet up?

They're gonna do what they wanna do in the name of "freedom" no matter what people say.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:23 PM

No big deal. If you aren't breaking the law nothing to worry about.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:34 PM

No big deal. If you aren't breaking the law nothing to worry about.


Uhm, so what if you like skinny dipping in your back yard pool? What if it was your gf or wife? Who knows whose behind those cameras, they will be able to see everything that goes on on everyone's outdoor property. Pretty sure that's against the law, and if its not, its sure as hell should be. So who's overlooking this to make sure everything is being used on the up and up? I'm going to venture a guess and say no one.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

Uhm, so what if you like skinny dipping in your back yard pool? What if it was your gf or wife? Who knows whose behind those cameras, they will be able to see everything that goes on on everyone's outdoor property. Pretty sure that's against the law, and if its not, its sure as hell should be. So who's overlooking this to make sure everything is being used on the up and up? I'm going to venture a guess and say no one.


They can already do that with satellites. Hell, I can go on google earth and peak down on you in your backyard.

The days of having any sort of privacy or real freedom while out in public are over. If you don't like it, go up north into the wild style, and just disappear off the grid. Otherwise people are just going to have to accept that this is all part of the technological age.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

No big deal. If you aren't breaking the law nothing to worry about.


Indefinite detention of American citizens without charges or trial revisions to the 2011 NDAA say good day to you too.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:25 PM

They can already do that with satellites. Hell, I can go on google earth and peak down on you in your backyard.

The days of having any sort of privacy or real freedom while out in public are over. If you don't like it, go up north into the wild style, and just disappear off the grid. Otherwise people are just going to have to accept that this is all part of the technological age.


Yeah but google earth uses still shots, with drones you get a nice close up with a steady live feed. I mean chances are they won't be used for personal means (like spying on sensitive places like a persons back yard), but you never know. Ideally they should be used to help plot routes for emergency vehicles, be an eye in the sky to help local law enforcement chase criminals and track down vehicles that abduct kids while no one is around to see it. If these are what they are up there for, and not to just 'keep a close eye on its citizens' then its a good idea. Who exactly will be running and controlling these drones? Law enforcement? Military? FBI? It makes a huge difference. I just don't like how vague they are with 'public safety', the more vague it is, the more they're not telling us
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:35 PM

"and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end."

lol. wow.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:43 PM

"and the agency expects as many as 30,000 UAVs will be in America’s airspace by the decade’s end."

lol. wow.


police state
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:02 PM

police state


No kidding, citizens don't stand a chance. The state can find anyone, track anyone, detain anyone indefinitely, classify anyone as a terrorist for any reason. Everyone knows that any form or protest over anything, even peaceful gets trampled over by police. If push came to shove, would any citizens dare challenge the US government with this type of power?

Edited by hsedin33, 10 October 2012 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:07 PM

No kidding, citizens don't stand a chance. The state can find anyone, track anyone, detain anyone indefinitely, classify anyone as a terrorist for any reason. Everyone knows that any form or protest over anything, even peaceful gets trampled over by police If push came to shove, would anyone dare challenge the US government with this type of power?


Yup, world is going to be scary in the next 5 years.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:13 PM

Yup, world is going to be scary in the next 5 years.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:30 PM

Nineteen eighty-four was not just a thing of fiction, it was a warning to future generations.


what happened in 1984?

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:40 PM

Nineteen eighty-four was not just a thing of fiction, it was a warning to future generations.


George Orwell? As soon as the NWO starts up it's all over. That's what I think dec 21st, 2012 or w.e the date is, the start of the NWO or atleast a big enough distraction to start it or WW3.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:53 PM

George Orwell? As soon as the NWO starts up it's all over. That's what I think dec 21st, 2012 or w.e the date is, the start of the NWO or atleast a big enough distraction to start it or WW3.


Aside from your first two words, everything you wrote there is retarded.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:55 PM

what happened in 1984?


Not sure if sarcasm or not.

If not, 1984 was a book by George Orwell written in 1949, that describes a futuristic police state where everyone is controlled by a totalitarian government. Some of it's themes such as government surveillance and propaganda are very real in today's society. It's also the novel where the term big brother was first used.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:57 PM

George Orwell? As soon as the NWO starts up it's all over. That's what I think dec 21st, 2012 or w.e the date is, the start of the NWO or atleast a big enough distraction to start it or WW3.


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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:11 PM

Not sure if sarcasm or not.

If not, 1984 was a book by George Orwell written in 1949, that describes a futuristic police state where everyone is controlled by a totalitarian government. Some of it's themes such as government surveillance and propaganda are very real in today's society. It's also the novel where the term big brother was first used.


Never heard of it, I was born in that year and wasn't fond of the 80's so.. lol. Sounds interesting though, I'll have to check it out.

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