King of the ES Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 My suggestion is to not move Luongo. But if we do, then we should make sure we get a better deal than this. You claim that getting rid of those players is value in itself. It isn't. You are clearly undervaluing our players. Just because you don't like their contracts, doesn't mean we should get rid of those players asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 He has asked out. Publicly. You cannot bring that guy back. You lose a lot of credibility by saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 Luongo is under contract with Vancouver and have obligation to Vancouver. You lose credibility if you do everything a player ask for every time they make a request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 For me. Any deal involving nyi has to include Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Yeah, and if only the Grizzlies had kept Steve Francis. That would've worked out great. I'm sure that holding a player hostage would do wonders for UFAs in their decision as to whether they want to sign here or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 He has asked out. Publicly. You cannot bring that guy back. You lose a lot of credibility by saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf smell Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To FLORIDA: -Roberto Luongo -2013 3rd (NYI) -To NEW YORK ISLANDERS: -Jakob Markstrom -David Booth -Keith Ballard -2013 2nd (VAN) To VANCOUVER: -Kyle Okposo -Lubomir Visnovsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis2 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Booth was on pace for 27 goals last year if you take out his Florida games and extrapolate what he did with the Canucks. Okposo is currently a 2nd/3rd line tweener. If we're looking to win the cup within the next few years, I'll take Booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf smell Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Booth was on pace for 27 goals last year if you take out his Florida games and extrapolate what he did with the Canucks. Okposo is currently a 2nd/3rd line tweener. If we're looking to win the cup within the next few years, I'll take Booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 I lose a lot of credibility because I think we should keep a good goaltender who is under contract and publicly said that he is perfectly fine with staying here. Ok there bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Luongo, Booth, Ballard, 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okposo and Visnovsky Edit: If MG does this he would be run out of Vancouver. Zero rationale as to why the Canucks would do this. This is a horrible propsal and I suspect you are not a Canuck fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 13, 2012 Author Share Posted October 13, 2012 Van= In picking up okposo and losing booth what do we gain? (I'm one of the guys who think booth should at least get one good shot at playing a whole season in before we start talking of getting rid of the guy) Yes we'd get a chance at getting a better player but to me we should be looking at a playmaking 2nd line rw. I think when it's Luo's time to go we should try and fill that need first. And Visnovsky? I'd prefer Ballard, I think he's got something to prove and it'll be a good year to show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf smell Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Amazing. Do you know who Visnovsky is? Over the last two years alone, he has 24 goals and 95 points. In fact, I believe that he was even a Norris finalist in 2011. Keith Ballard has 3 goals and 15 points in 129 games as a Canuck. He's 30 years old; it ain't gonna change. He is who he is. When Wally Buono acquired Casey Printers again, back in 2010 (I think?), and it became obvious that he wasn't a fit, he cut ties immediately. This is part of what makes Wally great; no attachment to the players, whatsoever. The great travesty of most NHL GMs is that they're too loyal to their players, and Gillis with Ballard is a good example. As for Okposo - it could be argued that he's a better player than Booth right now. And even if he's not right now, the potential is far greater, and we have guys like Higgins/Hansen that are probably capable enough of providing offense in Booth's absence if Okposo wasn't ready. It'd be a reasonable risk to take. It's David Booth, not Alexander Ovechkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 OK, and you see no issues with paying your backup goaltender $5.2M until 2022. Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 It makes great sense. We win that trade, hands down. We unload Luongo, his meltdowns, and his 5.33M cap hit. We unload Booth and his undeserved 4+ M cap hit. We unload Ballard, one of the highest paid 5/6 D in the league. We gain two serviceable players in return. What is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 He wouldn't be a backup though. We would either trade Cory or have them split the workload. And Lu will almost certainly retire before his contract is up. Either way, Lu said he is fine with staying here, which is something you apparently didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm sorry, are you still living in March of 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 To FLORIDA: -Roberto Luongo -2013 3rd (NYI) -To NEW YORK ISLANDERS: -Jakob Markstrom -David Booth -Keith Ballard -2013 2nd (VAN) To VANCOUVER: -Kyle Okposo -Lubomir Visnovsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 What are you talking about? Do you seriously not believe me that Lu himself said he is perfectly fine playing for Vancouver? That was the most recent thing he said. Pay attention to the news and you'll be up to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 And there is no reason for Florida to give up on Markstrom. If they do take Luongo it would be with an eye towards having him act as the number one for a few years and also mentor Markstrom, not replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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