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#271 TowelPower12

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

Just the way the media works. Every so often when an attractive (usually white) young person dies or goes missing, the world stops for a few minutes so people can tell their own stories and say "that sucks," before something even more shocking captures their attention.

Todd's death won't change the way young people act, but hopefully it'll spur some new legal approaches to bullying. Who knows!

In the meantime, do you have a story about bullying you'd like to share?



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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:13 PM

Is it really normal for a girl in grade seven to do a several minute strip tease on the computer? The media keeps saying it was a innocent common little mistake, but it was apparently more then flashing boobs. That hardly sounds like a little innocent half second mistake the media is trying to make it sound like. you don't go from being a normal kid to saying oh here's a strip tease oh back to normal oh my god leave me alone. I guess only she and the kids who bullied her know the real story, they are still being so mean to her, makes me think she was really a bad kid, or the kids have to keep thinking of her a bad person so they can live with themselves for what they did. Things seldom are how they appear,its just sad to see how the world is reacting on all this ,exactly how bullies are, reacting on gossip.


Which real story? There are a lot of different stories wrapped up in this whole thing and it's really hard to discern which one specifically you are referring to.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:03 PM

The internet vigilantes: Anonymous hackers' group outs man, 32, 'who drove girl, 15, to suicide by spreading topless photos of her'

Anonymous has named a man it claims posted topless pictures of a 15-year-old girl online and harassed her so relentlessly that she killed herself.
Amanda Todd, from Vancouver, Canada, was found hanged in her home on October 10, just weeks after she uploaded a video to YouTube detailing her horrific treatment at the hands of cyber bullies.
When she was just 12, a man in an internet chat room convinced her to flash her breasts, and a year later, he plastered a picture of the incident across Facebook.
Now in a vigilante move, Anonymous, the world's largest hacking group, has named the man allegedly responsible for the picture.
The group claims that he is a 32-year-old from British Columbia, but MailOnline has chosen not to identify him for legal reasons.
As Todd's supporters set up Facebook pages warning the man to 'sleep with one eye open', the move by Anonymous sparks concerns over its abilities to create a 'trial by internet' - bypassing the justice system and casting guilt.
In a video posted to YouTube by Anonymous, a figure claims the group lists his personal information, including his date of birth and address.
It explains that his username appears on websites where he 'blackmailed' and gave advice to young girls. The same username is also tied to a website with a 'jailbait' photo gallery.

'[He] is an abomination to our society, and will be punished,' the Anonymous figure says.
Referring to the possibility they might have the wrong man, they add: 'At the most this is the person who did this to Amanda Todd, and at the least it's another pedophile that enjoys taking advantage of children.'


Here's the video by Anonymous



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Kody Maxson is apparently the fat one. If true, not only is he a bully but a 32 year old pedophile.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:36 PM

You're pathetic.


Settle down, cry baby. I'm simply posting the video so others can watch and respond.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

Settle down, cry baby. I'm simply posting the video so others can watch and respond.


You're a pathetic troll, using this video as cover for your own anti-Amanda Todd feelings, but you're too much of a coward or a simpleton to vocalize your thoughts yourself....so you troll posters in this thread, in order to get a reaction. It's obvious, it's blatant and it's pathetic....hence my post.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:40 PM

Lol cops cleared the guy anonymous falsely accused. People were sending him death threats, nice work anti-bully bullies. This whole thing is a circus
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:42 PM

Settle down, cry baby. I'm simply posting the video so others can watch and respond.

What do you expect people to say?
Bravo?
You're an idiot.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

You're a pathetic troll, using this video as cover for your own anti-Amanda Todd feelings, but you're too much of a coward or a simpleton to vocalize your thoughts yourself....so you troll posters in this thread, in order to get a reaction. It's obvious, it's blatant and it's pathetic....hence my post.


Pathetic troll? You've been treating a lot of people with a lot of disrespect around here lately and I'm certainly not the only one that has noticed it. And there's more than a few people that will agree with me. Your fan club dedicated a four page thread to you about this the other day.

Anti-Amanda Todd feelings. LOL. I've been fighting those pathetic pieces of trashes on Facebook when I can. I will gladly post evidence of that when I get back from school just so I can make you look like a fool.

Anyway, go and trash talk me some more while I'm gone. You're such a tough guy like that. Just like all those brave souls online bashing a dead girl. :rolleyes:
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

What do you expect people to say?
Bravo?
You're an idiot.


Well thought out response, loser.

TJ does make a point about the hypocrisy but I don't agree with the other points he does make.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:49 PM

Wow the guy that made that video is a moron.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

Pathetic troll? You've been treating a lot of people with a lot of disrespect around here lately and I'm certainly not the only one that has noticed it. And there's more than a few people that will agree with me. Your fan club dedicated a four page thread to you about this the other day.

Anti-Amanda Todd feelings. LOL. I've been fighting those pathetic pieces of trashes on Facebook when I can. I will gladly post evidence of that when I get back from school just so I can make you look like a fool.

Anyway, go and trash talk me some more while I'm gone. You're such a tough guy like that. Just like all those brave souls online bashing a dead girl. :rolleyes:


Riiiiight, i'm just like those bashing her, but you're her hero by posting a video diminishing the outpouring of condolences and grief over her death by posting a video that basically does that because there wasn't as much outpouring for other tragedies.

Trolling mission accomplished.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

Some people are just pathetic. It seems like there are people who are actually jealous that a girl that committed suicide is getting so much attention.

Get a life people. A girl committed suicide because of bullying. The discussion should be about cyberbullying and suicide, not about whether this girl deserves to be talked about or not. Or whether there are worse things that should be talked about that trump this.

If you wanna talk about starving kids in Africa, or whether or not Amanda Todd is worthy of people feeling sorry for her. Feel free to start your own thread about that. This thread is called "RIP Amanda Todd", not "Is Amanda Todd worth talking about?"

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:15 PM

I swear, whenever this topic comes up there are always judgemental types who fancy themselves experts on suicide as if they knew what was going on in the daily lives and minds of the victims.

So I am judgemental and I fancy myself an expert on suicide. You still have an argument to respond to.

Seriously man, all you need to do is apply what youre saying about Rick Rypien to Amanda Todd and any other suicide victim. You have no idea what these people went through. Leave it at that.


Was Rick Rypien a dramatic teenager who was bullied into commiting suicide?

You should probably just stop. Obviously you don't have to but it might be for the best.


I'll remember that line so I can use it against the next person who disagrees with me.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:26 PM

Was Rick Rypien a dramatic teenager who was bullied into commiting suicide?


No, he was a millionaire hockey player that was playing the game he loved. Not to mention he had tons of fans and lots girls probably wanting to sleep with him.

So if you look at his situation just based on the cover, you would have to say he had less of a reason to commit suicide.

But in these situations, you don't know the personal details of these people's lives, or what they went through to make a judgement about them.

It's easy for you to sit there behind your computer and be completely un-empathetic towards her situation, and say that she was a "dramatic teenager". But unless you've lived these people's lives, you can't fairly judge them. You can try, but you're just gonna look ignorant.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:30 PM

I really don't get idiots that say things like 'why is she getting so much attention'...Why not?, if there's an ongoing issue should we just sweep it under the rug? when do we say enough is enough? it's unfortunate that she has to be the poster child of bullying but to finally put this BS to an end at some point your going to have to make enough noise that it get's through these sicko's heads. ..hence why she is getting to much 'attention'.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:33 PM

Lol cops cleared the guy anonymous falsely accused. People were sending him death threats, nice work anti-bully bullies. This whole thing is a circus


That's what I was thinking might happen. Pretty much why I posted how he had no right to post his personal info for all to see. This guy has had his picture and personal info plastered all over the internet. Good luck at leading a normal life after this.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:43 PM

I really don't get idiots that say things like 'why is she getting so much attention'...Why not?, if there's an ongoing issue should we just sweep it under the rug? when do we say enough is enough? it's unfortunate that she has to be the poster child of bullying but to finally put this BS to an end at some point your going to have to make enough noise that it get's through these sicko's heads. ..hence why she is getting to much 'attention'.


I'm sorry, but the impression I'm getting from your post is that you feel "enough is enough," yourself. So I'm curious, what are you, personally, going to do to make sure this is the end of the bullying line?

Are you in a CYC program? Do you volunteer for Big Brothers? Or a local youth centre of some sort, to help out the kids that are being bullied _right now, this very minute_?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:49 PM

I'm sorry, but the impression I'm getting from your post is that you feel "enough is enough," yourself. So I'm curious, what are you, personally, going to do to make sure this is the end of the bullying line?

Are you in a CYC program? Do you volunteer for Big Brothers? Or a local youth centre of some sort, to help out the kids that are being bullied _right now, this very minute_?

Some might say talking about it and getting the information out there is doing something. Does somebody have to be physically doing something to make a difference? Where is the line where on one side of it you're not doing enough and on one side you're doing something to help.

Here's a good read if you're interested. http://www.swlaurier...lying/bully.pdf
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:50 PM

<p>I think part of the answer to "why this" story and not many others is that this young girl put it all out there like most don't. Yes, her video was part of that because it gave us a very clear look at the reality of the situation...that kids' words should be heard. She took a very bold step in documenting her pain. A reminder that, when someone IS reaching out, that warrants some attention and immediate intervention. It was an obvious cry for help before she took that last, fatal step and it chills to the bone in a very "this is real" way. There is a story behind this that can teach everyone a good lesson about the severity of bullying and how we need to step in. Hers was an ongoing story and progressed to very serious proportions...but people could have done things differently along the way. I'm not putting much (any) of that on her, because she was young and incapable of deciding - kids act on impulse but it became a moment that changed her life. The lesson in that is strong - but should come without blame. She was a kid, afterall.

It is sad that this will die down over time and just go back to normal - being where kids have to continue to fumble through feeling very alone and isolated. They make these kids the poster child for anti bullying campaigns but, after the initial hoopla, nothing much is done. I do wish schools would focus less on the promotion of anti bullying and more on the process, itself. Take more of the responsibility in it vs just advertising for it to stop.

But every step closer to helping someone is a worthwhile one...to feel it's not worth trying because the problem is too great and it's pointless is giving up on kids. You make it an open topic of discussion and each and every one of us should intervene if we see someone showing signs of needing help.

I try not to trivialize and discount my daughter's feelings of severe depression and anxiety with cheery "oh, it'll get better - you're young" statements. Kids don't think it will, so they tune that out. Sure, that can be part of the message in the big picture discussions, but they also need to hear "I understand. I feel your pain. I know you're struggling. You're not alone". Statements that identify and accept that they are hurting - not that fight against it. Without judgment or messages of how she could do things differently - that's for later down the road, after the initial crisis is over. Because that's what it is when young kids are desperate - a crisis. Too many scoff at their problems but, again, when you're young everything seems greater and so we have to remember that. I'm by no means an expert, but have plenty of experience that helps me to understand how to
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:55 PM

I'm sorry, but the impression I'm getting from your post is that you feel "enough is enough," yourself. So I'm curious, what are you, personally, going to do to make sure this is the end of the bullying line?

Are you in a CYC program? Do you volunteer for Big Brothers? Or a local youth centre of some sort, to help out the kids that are being bullied _right now, this very minute_?


No, I'm not going to do any of that..but if I was a bully I bet I'd think twice about the what i'm doing...all because of the attention this is getting, When I first saw this topic I didn't know anything about what happened or who the girl was..and most likely if I didn't see or hear about her story plastered everywhere i prob would never have known about it or cared enough to click on the topic... but because the story is getting so much attention it's creating more awareness in which hopefully more parents will talk to their kids about bullying and more idiots will think twice before they decide to toy around with someone's life.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:00 PM

RCMP debunk rumours about Amanda Todd case

VANCOUVER -- Rumours circulating around a man accused of being involved in Amanda Todd’s suicide have Mounties and police dedicating officers to dispel online gossip.

A New Westminster address and a man’s name were released, shortly after Todd’s death last Wednesday, by a group claiming to be Internet activist collective Anonymous.

Todd, 15, killed herself after enduring years of bullying and being stalked by an unnamed online predator who friends say used different online aliases.

Apart from responding to speculation about the identified man, Mounties said investigators were distracted “for hours” dealing with a more disturbing rumour of the “supposed release of Amanda Todd’s autopsy photos.”

In a statement Tuesday, RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen said the allegation against the man was “unfounded” and no autopsy photos were ever leaked.

Additionally, some have put up fake fundraising pages, presumably to "profit” from Todd’s death.

“We want to urge everyone who has been touched by Amanda’s story to respect Amanda’s memory by being a responsible citizen of the Internet,” Thiessen said.

The case has gathered so much online attention that on Tuesday, New Westminster police had a patrol car camped outside the address that was published by Anonymous.

“The people that live there have nothing to do with the Amanda Todd case at all,” said New West Sgt. Diana McDaniel, adding there are no police records of the named man living in the city.

“We’re helping the residents because unfortunately they have no idea or any involvement at all in this case. I don’t know how long we’ll be there, it’ll be dependent on the situation.”

A man with a similar name as the one published by Anonymous appeared in Surrey Provincial Court Tuesday on a charge each of sexual assault and sexual interference of a person under 16.

But there are several differences, such as a different age and name spelling. The man named by Anonymous is 32-years-old, while the man in court is 19. The former appears to use a shortened version of the latter’s name, though both share the same last name.

According to CTV, the 19-year-old knew Todd, but had already talked to police.

RCMP investigated that file before the courts in early September. Crown spokesman Neil MacKenzie said the allegations are dated between Aug. 1 and Sept. 1 and are unrelated to Todd in any way.

Twitter account Anonymous New Jersey claimed responsibility for naming the man and tweeted on Tuesday, they were “off” on the man’s address and name.

“Everything I got is circumstantial,” the group tweeted later.

Anonymous’ original post identifying the man also suggested there were uncertain pieces of information, saying, “At the most this is the person who did this to Amanda Todd and at the least it’s another pedophile that enjoys taking advantage of children.”

B.C. Premier Christy Clark, speaking in Nanaimo Tuesday, said the public needs to stop reposting false information and look at everything online with a critical eye.

“It’s so easy for people to anonymously say anything they want about everyone,” she told reporters. “It can be grossly unfair and completely unproved.”

Since Todd’s death, Mounties have received thousands of tips from the public through AmandaToddInfo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:01 PM

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Tortorella....that video was inappropriate, if nothing else, about 10 seconds in it violates the rules about offensive language. I didn't bother to watch the rest because I'm not sure it's a compassionate message and, quite frankly, your timing is way off.

People, this thread is for serious discussion and the jack assery has no place here...take it to CM noise if you must.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

Tortorella....that video was inappropriate, if nothing else, about 10 seconds in it violates the rules about offensive language. I didn't bother to watch the rest because I'm not sure it's a compassionate message and, quite frankly, your timing is way off.

People, this thread is for serious discussion and the jack assery has no place here...take it to CM noise if you must.


I watched the whole thing, and it's actually not as bad as you think.

It comes off as pretty insensitive, but at the same time he does make some good points. At the end he does challenge people to do something to make a difference instead of just pretending to care. And it's true, people get all up in arms and get all charged up, but then they don't actually do anything to help make a difference.

It would be nice for people to actually follow through with things that they speak out against is all.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:17 PM

no offense Deb, but that video has more worth than 20,000 sappy posts in a thread like this, if they're like what we've seen so far.

this idea that this thread will, maybe, be the snowflake that starts the avalanche towards change is ridiculous. sorry, nux4lyfe, your conversation is meaningless.

the amazing atheist is spot on about a whole lot of you. and that pains me to say, because i want to kick that smug blob right in the teeth, but when you're right, you're right.

kudos to the CYC students and people who volunteer, or even the "nice" people who talk to everyone in class, even the fat nerds.

for the rest of you who think contributing your own bully story is enough, get over yourself.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:18 PM

I watched the whole thing, and it's actually not as bad as you think.

It comes off as pretty insensitive, but at the same time he does make some good points. At the end he does challenge people to do something to make a difference instead of just pretending to care. And it's true, people get all up in arms and get all charged up, but then they don't actually do anything to help make a difference.

It would be nice for people to actually follow through with things that they speak out against is all.


So, what about you? Do you plan to follow through? Or do you already work with the youth?

Are you a CYC student? A volunteer? Do you plan to be? etc.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:26 PM

So, what about you? Do you plan to follow through? Or do you already work with the youth?

Are you a CYC student? A volunteer? Do you plan to be? etc.


I follow through just by being a good person and respecting people. ;)

I've never pretended that I am going to go on an anti-bullying campaign. I'm simply arguing against the idea that one person shouldn't be recognized when they kill themselves. Because I believe that the more faces you put to these situations, the stronger the message will be.

And if you watch the video, it addresses the fact that you have to solve the root problems that lead to bullying. Smaller class sizes, and equipping teachers with the skills to recognize bullying is needed. Also more awareness from parents about leaving their kids unmonitored on the internet.

Thinking that people can beat bullying by posting on facebook, or wearing pink t-shirts in naive. It starts with parents taking charge of their kids, and ends with teachers providing a safe respectful place for kids to learn. These things should already be in place, but I guess society needs to constantly be reminded by these tragedies.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

most people are thinking they're making a difference by posting about Amanda on facebook and then seeing how many likes their comments get, it's quite comical
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:36 PM

no offense Deb, but that video has more worth than 20,000 sappy posts in a thread like this, if they're like what we've seen so far.

this idea that this thread will, maybe, be the snowflake that starts the avalanche towards change is ridiculous. sorry, nux4lyfe, your conversation is meaningless.

the amazing atheist is spot on about a whole lot of you. and that pains me to say, because i want to kick that smug blob right in the teeth, but when you're right, you're right.

kudos to the CYC students and people who volunteer, or even the "nice" people who talk to everyone in class, even the fat nerds.

for the rest of you who think contributing your own bully story is enough, get over yourself.



Sappy posts??

It's not unprecedented on CDC for people to grieve the loss of a person that they may have not know personally or relate to a sad story by offering their own testimony as a way of relating and empathizing.

You apparently lack the ability to empathize as they do, because you're obviously too manly to publicly display any sort of grief, sorrow or empathy.

If you don't like it, don't look at this thread, or don't respond. I'm sure there's a music thread for you to participate in instead.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:38 PM

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most people are thinking they're making a difference by posting about Amanda on facebook and then seeing how many likes their comments get, it's quite comical


And what difference are you making other than inciting those that are posting in solidarity with those grieving her loss or attempting to positively contribute to the larger conversation?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:38 PM

First step to stop cyber bullying is raising awareness.

Amanda Todd gives people a face to see when they think about cyber bullying. It gives people an emotional connection because of her video and her tragic end that could have been prevented.

Not everyone can go volunteer with the youth, or work with youth, but at the very least raising awareness about the dangers of bullying can contribute, albeit only a small part, to combatting it.
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